# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 126
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2501 "2009-11-09T15:26:43Z")
Crossposted with One, obviously enough. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2502 "2009-11-09T15:28:09Z")
Maybe best to just have Normal vote for Suspicious Person. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2503 "2009-11-09T15:34:49Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Maybe best to just have Normal vote for Suspicious Person. Seems like a great plan to me - whether I’m deemed “suspicious person of the Day” or not. I’m not sure if the unvote would be an issue, **Normal** says that the “last person to vote for me” would also be taken down, not necessarily “the last vote which was left on me”, **Normal**? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2504 "2009-11-09T15:35:09Z")
Actually, the worst-case scenario is that we pick a Town to kill Normal, who is also Town. In which case, we’re pretty screwed. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2505 "2009-11-09T15:36:44Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Actually, the worst-case scenario is that we pick a Town to kill Normal, who is also Town. In which case, we’re pretty screwed. Well, we’re going to lynch someone today, aren’t we? Hopefully we’ll make the right choice and put a scum next to **Normal** and get a one-for-one return. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2506 "2009-11-09T15:53:07Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Thinking about Digger’s plan Just wanted to note that it’s not my plan OAOW came up with it but secondly it sounds like a pretty good idea. My twist would be to use our escape artist, Tilt, as the final vote. That way we can at least derive the benefit of confirming Tilt’s powers. I’m a little concerned about the scum immediately killing Tilt but that means that they couldn’t go after Tom and me, who will become more confirmed as the music box is passed, or Drain so we still should be able to shrink the unknown pool and confirm more townies. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2507 "2009-11-09T15:58:08Z")
Quick reference: \*\*Normal Phase \*\*- Town Bomb (kills night-killer or last lynch voter, unconfirmed) **USCDiver** - Vanilla Town (unconfirmed) **Allwalker** - Town Tough Guy (survives one night kill, unconfirmed) **tiltawhirl** - Escape Artist (can avoid lynch, has unspecified other powers, unconfirmed) **Oredigger77** - Vanilla Town (role but not alignment confirmed by OaOW) **GuirienEspana** - Vanilla Town (role but not alignment confirmed by OaOW) **Drain Bead** - Vanilla Town (role but not alignment confirmed by OaOW) **Tom Scud** - Vanilla Town (alignment semi-confirmed by Oredigger and music box, role confirmed by OaOW) **One and Only** - role cop (unconfirmed but probably either true or Serial Killer) ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2508 "2009-11-09T15:58:33Z")
**Oredigger** , using **tilt** as the last vote is a stroke of brilliance. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2509 "2009-11-09T15:59:50Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Just wanted to note that it’s not my plan OAOW came up with it but secondly it sounds like a pretty good idea. My twist would be to use our escape artist, Tilt, as the final vote. That way we can at least derive the benefit of confirming Tilt’s powers. I’m a little concerned about the scum immediately killing Tilt but that means that they couldn’t go after Tom and me, who will become more confirmed as the music box is passed, or Drain so we still should be able to shrink the unknown pool and confirm more townies. From her claim, I’m not at all sure **tilt** would survive a bomb. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2510 "2009-11-09T16:00:54Z")
Oh, and I’m kinda sleep deprived, thus mixing up our O players. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2511 "2009-11-09T16:10:55Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > From her claim, I’m not at all sure **tilt** would survive a bomb. Does it matter? From my perspective, \*\*Tilt \*\*is otherwise unconfirmable and in my mind a strong candidate for Scum. Even if the role mechanics she’s claiming are true, doesn’t it make sense to have one town player capable of surviving a night kill and one Scum player capable of surviving a day kill? If everyone agrees to the Plan, I’ll go along. But in the meantime, I want to test Tilt’s claim. **vote Tiltawhirl** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2512 "2009-11-09T16:24:25Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > I believe this to be a great claim for a SK or scum to hide behind, but if you’re telling the truth it’s also a good opportunity. > > I propose we lynch Normal, and the town chooses who places the last vote ( I am happy to do it myself if necessary). > > If Normal is lying - bonus dead scum/SK > > If Normal is telling the truth, the person the town fins most suspicious goes down with Normal. > > What do you think guys? No, this is a terrible plan. We don’t have enough confirmed Town (just one) to play confirmed-vs-unconfirmed; and as slow as that music box is, it’s unlikely we’ll ever reach that point. Accelerating the death rate if we’re not sure to take down Scum or a SK thereby is not helpful. If you think I’m guilty, you should just vote for me straight-up. On the off chance I’m telling the truth about role but not alignment, back-end the lynch wagon against me with claimed vanillas. That way you get one Scum/SK and at worst one vanilla. If you don’t think I’m guilty, you should not be voting for me at all, just vote for “most suspicious person” straight up. If Scum or SK do not have any safe way left to deal with me, then they have to force a lynch – do you want to help that? I knew someone was going to bring this up, but it is not a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2513 "2009-11-09T16:27:25Z")
OK **vote Normal Phase** I find your claim more likely to be a hide for a bad guy than tilt’s, because tilt’s claim invites a lynch to test it. Yours tries to scare people off. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2514 "2009-11-09T16:37:09Z")
Also, should we at this point be inquiring about **tiltawhirl** ’s unspecified other powers? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2515 "2009-11-09T17:16:17Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Quick note on One’s claim: It’s either accurate or he’s the Serial Killer; there’s no way a scum would claim to be a role cop with a Serial Killer on the loose. We’re basing toDay’s plan on this assumption, right? I don’t see any holes in the logic, does anyone else? (Except in the scenario where we have 2 scum teams and no SK or a scum team with extra kills and no SK - but that sort of puts a hole in a lot of things…) > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > I find your claim more likely to be a hide for a bad guy than tilt’s, because tilt’s claim invites a lynch to test it. Yours tries to scare people off. Well, **Tilt** ’s claim isn’t exactly innocuous. We should be scared to waste a lynch just to confirm her claim (as a mis-mis-lynch would come accompanied by possibly 2 NKs, leaving town very close to lylo). Does anyone have an estimate of what alignments \*should \*be left? My guess is that we’re approximately 5/6 town against 3/2 scum with 1 SK, does that sound right? We really need to expose the SK somehow and try to nab one of the remaining scum as if we mislynch a townie toDay, we could find ourselves Tomorrow at 2/3 town - 3/2 scum - 1 SK, right? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2516 "2009-11-09T18:03:31Z")
Guys, I’m sufficiently sleep deprived that I’m going to post once and then stay out of this thread lest I accidentally forget and place a vote. I’m worried about **Normal Phase** being a townier-than-town Scum player; I went back and had a look at her main pro-Town actions (arguing that peeker was Town and the lynch of Chronos), and in both cases she was very vocal but wasn’t the first person on that argument. Also, I apparently have a hard time trusting someone in this game if we haven’t spent at least some time trying to lynch each other 🙂 Other than that my suspicions remain about as previously stated; **USCDiver** , **Guiri** , and to a lesser degree **tiltawhirl** - somewhat less suspicious of **tilt** but mainly based on feel. Also I don’t think **AllWalker** is scum but he is a good candidate for SK, particularly based on his claim. The thing that makes the **OaOW** plan attractive to me is that it potentially (even if it goes completely wrong) leaves the Serial Killer with very little room to hide. Anyway, that’s where I am right now. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2517 "2009-11-09T18:44:50Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Also, should we at this point be inquiring about **tiltawhirl** ’s unspecified other powers? Yes. Everybody else showed theirs, so to speak. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![tiltawhirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@tiltawhirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiltawhirl)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2518 "2009-11-09T19:00:48Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Just wanted to note that it’s not my plan OAOW came up with it but secondly it sounds like a pretty good idea. My twist would be to use our escape artist, Tilt, as the final vote. That way we can at least derive the benefit of confirming Tilt’s powers. I’m a little concerned about the scum immediately killing Tilt but that means that they couldn’t go after Tom and me, who will become more confirmed as the music box is passed, or Drain so we still should be able to shrink the unknown pool and confirm more townies. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > **Oredigger** , using **tilt** as the last vote is a stroke of brilliance. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > From her claim, I’m not at all sure **tilt** would survive a bomb. I would be killed by a bomb; my immunity extends only to the lynch. IMO I would be a poor choice to set off the bomb since my claim can be confirmed by lynch. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Also, should we at this point be inquiring about **tiltawhirl** ’s unspecified other powers? The other aspect of my role is that if I am NK’d, my body will be stuffed into my secret hiding place and not discovered until the following Day, when my role and alignment will be revealed. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2519 "2009-11-09T19:41:03Z")
I just looked up the evolution of the the Day Two peeker pressure last week looking for clues (didn’t find any), so that’s pretty fresh in my head. I don’t remember when amrussell posted her post versus when I posted mine, but I don’t think it was too far apart. Her post drew no notice, furthermore, and you were the only one to pick up on mine (to discount it, incidentally). I then expanded on my reasoning, and then you agreed. I think you have to conclude that I was sincere in my defense of him and not just opportunistically hopping on a growing vibe or anything, because there wasn’t one. Chronos, Thing Fish (IIRC), Cat and Boozy were all busily pecking away at him immediately prior to this. Chronos’ lynch is more complicated because of how late I came in (third vote, but a few people had expressed suspicion on the interim). Still, that vote of mine pretty much did seal the deal, and it makes no sense whatsoever, if I am Scum and deliberately bussing him (a roleblocker, might I add!), not to ride that bus all the way to the end. I’ll also add, though it’s not worth that much, that I was suspicious of Chronos from Day One and never shy of saying so: I voted for him late that Day after it was obvious the Drain Bead train had gone irretrievably off a cliff; I challenged Drain Bead repeatedly regarding her apparent abandonment of her own suspicion; and I argued with him probably a dozen times about his behavior making no sense for a Town Chronos. (The one that comes to mind now because it was in that series of posts about peeker was when Chronos posted his exhaustive list of every single comment to date, and I asked him where the heck the analysis was.) Finally – I was wrong about him, not right, as you’d expect a bussing Scum to be. I thought all along that the Lie Detector thing meant he was not Scum but rather third party, and wasn’t shy about saying that either. I understand late-game paranoia and all, but at a certain point you have to trust what your eyes are telling you. Here’s the first point where I was thinking of my role when I responded to someone: [599](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11616978&postcount=599). (Post 599, if the link doesn’t work.) Fittingly, a response to Chronos: > [@](#): > > Chronos, will you acknowledge that there may be situations in which a full claim by a Town power role benefits Scum more than Town? Obviously, claiming Bomb at that point would have done Town no favors. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2520 "2009-11-10T00:22:20Z")
YesterDay I was thinking that we test **tilt** ’s escape artistry. Now, with a Town bomber claim… I’m on board with any plan that has suspect player vote last for **Normal** , and Normal voting second last for herself, with maybe another suspect player voting 3rd last for paranoid security reasons (in case there is a sudden switch in votes last minute). Or that plan to engineer a tie between normal and suspect player. But then, I see Normal has a few objections to this plan. Let’s run the numbers: 9 players remaining. Assuming 3 Scum and 1 SK, then if we lynch 2 toDay and lose 2 to NK that will put at us 5 players. If it is a double mislynch and two Townies killed, Town is virtually wiped out. But if we don’t lynch Normal. 1 lynch, 2 NK puts us at 6 players. That puts 5 players in a 2:3 split of Town and Scum, depending on whether there are 2 or 3 Scum left (assuming the SK survives the Night. If not, then the split is either 3 all or 4 to 2 in favour of Town). Either way Town is in a rough spot if we mislynch, unless we get lucky with the NKs. I don’t think Normal’s objection is all that appropriate. **Vote Normal** , because I want to set up this double DK thing. Now we just need to figure out who is most suspect. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=125) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=127)