# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 131
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2601 "2009-11-12T21:52:55Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > \*A hider is a role that can hide behind another character to avoid kills. If they’re hiding, and they’re attacked, they won’t die. But if the person they’re hiding behind dies, they die too. “If the person they’re hiding behind dies, they die too.” **Is AllWalker dead or not?** ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2602 "2009-11-12T21:53:15Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > ROFLMAO. _sigh_ Should have gone with my initial instinct. > > So…AllWalker had a Gryff item that saved him from our lynch, and tilt was hiding behind him and got the kill? Is that what that all meant? I think so. If Allwalker was targeted for death Tilt would die but if Tilt was targeted nothing would happen. But since Allwalker had the bear he survived but the target was enough to kill tilt. I think this was the only way to kill Tilt, so good job town! ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2603 "2009-11-12T21:53:31Z")
That was all some fantastic luck on our part. I guess it doesn’t say much about **AllWalker** , but we have the wiggle room now to test out **Normal** tomorrow if need be. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2604 "2009-11-12T21:54:10Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > “If the person they’re hiding behind dies, they die too.” > > **Is AllWalker dead or not?** AllWalker is indeed not dead. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2605 "2009-11-12T21:58:27Z")
Deflected lynch in some way, right? So he was lying; his claimed role should not have done that; and if he was Town and that was a Gryff item, he should have disclosed at some point. Right? He has to be the SK. Pure freakin’ luck that it took out Scum instead of Town. Wait, re-read, that wasn’t an item at all; it was Tiltawhirl herself. Right? A hider role doesn’t work for lynches. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2606 "2009-11-12T21:59:57Z")
No, I think you guys are wrong. Like I said, that’s not how a hider role works; it’s a night role, at least in my experience. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2607 "2009-11-12T22:01:49Z")
Yeah, I agree that AllWalker was holding out on us and needs to die. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2608 "2009-11-12T22:04:32Z")
Remember that in the film the model 4 (or I thought 6) was a teddy bear. I said, very early on in the game to watch out for wounded soldiers, young kids asking for help (OaOW?) and teddy bears… **Tilta** was the teddy bear screamer, there wasn’t a gift from **Gryff**. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2609 "2009-11-12T22:04:48Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > No, I think you guys are wrong. Like I said, that’s not how a hider role works; it’s a night role, at least in my experience. Yeah, but Tilt’s apparent suicide attempt wouldn’t have made sense (or would it?) except as an attempt to save AllWalker out of self-preservation, right? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2610 "2009-11-12T22:08:28Z")
**Did Allwalker survive because of Tilt or was another artifact at work?** ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2611 "2009-11-12T22:09:36Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Long time ago, just remember to watch out for wounded soldiers asking for help, young kids who’ve apparently survived a nuclear holocaust and cute teddy bears that move. The screamers developed from sword-weilding robots into almost fully functional humans - they’ll even cut the face off a real human to impersonate them. Cite - Wikipedia. Found my quote… Yeah, **Tilta** apparently knew full well she was going to get it if **AllWalker** remained in the lead… Lucky no-one followed her lead (except **USC** ). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2612 "2009-11-12T22:20:09Z")
> [@tiltawhirl](#): > > OK…the prevailing sentiment is that the AllWalker bandwagon is trusted, not necessarily that AllWalker is thought scum or SK. > > The basis for my self-vote is that I REALLY think that Normal Phase’s claim needs to be put to the test. If not, she’s essentially untouchable for the rest of the game. If she’s scum or SK town loses, period. > > Since that isn’t going to happen, I want to do the next best thing: save town a possible mislynch and confirm my role. Words of wisdom from our friendly neighborhood scum. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2613 "2009-11-12T22:22:45Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Words of wisdom from our friendly neighborhood scum. You beat me to it. I was going to quote that in response to **DB** … ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2614 "2009-11-12T22:29:04Z")
> [@Tom Scud](#): > > Yeah, but Tilt’s apparent suicide attempt wouldn’t have made sense (or would it?) except as an attempt to save AllWalker out of self-preservation, right? I wonder when \*\*tilt’s \*\*hiding request had to be put in. As a Day power, it had to be submitted before Dusk, but it seems silly of her to hide behind a vote leader. Why not hide behind \*\*Tom \*\*or **OAOW**? It’s certainly possible she had to submit her request within the first 24hrs or some other specified time frame and realized late in the Day that she was going to be hosed if/when \*\*AllWalker \*\*was lynched at which time she tried to get herself into the lynch position. Not necessarily to save **AllWalker** , but definitely to save herself. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2615 "2009-11-12T22:32:13Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > **Did Allwalker survive because of Tilt or was another artifact at work?** No Comment ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2616 "2009-11-12T22:42:20Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > I wonder when \*\*tilt’s \*\*hiding request had to be put in. As a Day power, it had to be submitted before Dusk, but it seems silly of her to hide behind a vote leader. Why not hide behind \*\*Tom \*\*or **OAOW**? It’s certainly possible she had to submit her request within the first 24hrs or some other specified time frame and realized late in the Day that she was going to be hosed if/when \*\*AllWalker \*\*was lynched at which time she tried to get herself into the lynch position. Not necessarily to save **AllWalker** , but definitely to save herself. My assumption would be that is was protection for an entire Day/Night cycle so Allwalker would have to select someone who the scum didn’t need to off and that the town probably would want to kill. In general Allwalker met that requirement since the more obvious townie people would be scum targets and Allwalker hadn’t been in the crosshairs for a lynch previously and there was no telling how the mass claim was going to go. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2617 "2009-11-12T22:45:12Z")
Right. AllWalker had been on my “trust” list, and hadn’t drawn any fire from anyone; I probably would have been the better target given how I’d telegraphed the music box thing, but maybe they were hoping for something inconclusive that they could lynch me over, or else worried that the SK might shoot me instead of Boozy/Gryff. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2618 "2009-11-12T22:48:09Z")
I’m tired of questioning the color… Either there’s something wrong with the color or **AllWalker** had some other survival power he hasn’t disclosed. The color specifically says that **AllWalker** had to die in order for **Tilta** to die: “But if the person they’re hiding behind dies, they die too.” If **AllWalker** didn’t die, there’s no obvious reason why **Tilta** died… We should have got 2 for 1 with this lynch and I’ve no idea why that didn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2619 "2009-11-12T22:48:56Z")
WIFOM is going to abound after that. At least we are down a scum ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2620 "2009-11-12T23:33:15Z")
With the assumption that the hiding takes an entire Night/Day cycle, then it’s unlikely that \*\*AllWalker \*\*is Scum. Doesn’t preclude him being an SK though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=130) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=132)