# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/481 "2009-09-30T00:28:12Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Thanks for clearing that up, because I really had no clue what you were getting at there. I was thinking you were soft-claiming a Bomb role or something! cross posts make me chuckle. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/482 "2009-09-30T00:32:27Z")
Ah, fuck. Doctor? Anyway, why do I get involved now? You requested it, didn’t you? Why did I get involved before, you mean? I’m playing Mafia. When would be a good non-suspicious time to post? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/483 "2009-09-30T00:36:04Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and it is probably not in town’s best interest to lynch a doctor on Day one. > > yes, it’s a claim and the A is definitely on purpose. > > play close attention folks, to what transpires next. Well, hell. My intent in taking the fall today was to avoid something like this from happening–like I said, a vanilla mislynch is not the worst thing on Earth and there’s a lot we can learn from it. The drawback with people switching from me to someone else is that the someone else might be a higher-value target than my sorry sucky vanilla ass. That having been said, I am WIFOMing this like crazy. If you’re really a Doc, I think your claim was slightly premature–I think I’m still in the vote lead, although it’s always been close, and I suppose the tide might be turning a bit, but it hasn’t yet. Doc is one of the best fake claims for scum, because you will unsurprisingly not die at night and you can blame that on self-protecting or the scum choosing to kill someone else. A real doc will not want to come forward, especially in a closed setup where we could presumably have more than one, so a false Doc claim is unlikely to be exposed at this point except in the instance of your death. All in all, a win-win for scum to claim Doc at this point. If you were ahead in the vote count or there was less time in the Day, I’d have more faith in your claim. As is, right now it’s a coin toss in my mind. That having been said, I am absolutely not switching my vote to you, because if you’re telling the truth, it’s better that I die than you if it has to come down to the two of us, and if you’re not, you’ll be found out relatively quickly, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/484 "2009-09-30T00:36:54Z")
**unvote peeker** for now. I don’t know what the right approach is here. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/485 "2009-09-30T00:44:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Well, obviously not everyone who voted for **Drain Bead** is Scum (or at least, I certainly hope not). But it’s still possible that there are a few Town in there, and some Scum joined in to turn a small bandwagon into a big one. > And pede, how come **wilt-a-twirl** doesn’t get mangled? Because I couldn’t come up with a good name for her. I’m borrowing that. jpeg (2): OAoW, TxtKitty Mot Scud(1): peekra The One and Only(1): Kronzor Pecear(5): Tom Scad, Gruff, Nook, Ting Phish, Miner77 Normal Faze (1): Braid Dean The Dread Bean (8): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, DaphkneeBlack, Freudian Skit, Fenix, wiltatwirl, UPSDriver ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/486 "2009-09-30T00:48:39Z")
Tell me if this idea is crazy. Lynch me, with NO ADDITIONAL VOTES on me from here on out except for the Leader (I don’t want scum hiding in a unanimous bandwagon, and I have enough votes on me to die currently). Then, we hope we have a town-aligned Vig. Clearly if **peeker** is a real doc, he’s going to be self-protecting toNight. A Vig is more likely to hit town than scum if they choose a target randomly, so aiming a Vigging at **peeker** toNight wouldn’t really hurt if he’s a self-protecting Doc, and would bag a scum or PFK-type if he isn’t. The only problem I see is if we don’t have a Vig, but I’m banking on the fact that we do in a game this large. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/487 "2009-09-30T00:53:21Z")
Well. **unvote peeker** , though the claim does strike me as pretty premature. We’ve still got 3 days? You should have more confidence in your own mad rhetorical skillz, peek. I was going to say that I’m unconvinced about the argument for **Drain Bead** - on the one hand, I think **Jimmy’s** analysis of **amrussell’s** post is pretty solid - in fact, the first post that amrussell picked up looks a lot like something I would do - noodling around about possibilities like this was a thread about whether the USS Enterprise could defeat a Super Star Destroyer. However, I think the case that **Chronos** was fishing was pretty weak to start with, and only got worse as **Drain** tried to justify it. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/488 "2009-09-30T00:55:15Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Tell me if this idea is crazy. Lynch me, with NO ADDITIONAL VOTES on me from here on out except for the Leader (I don’t want scum hiding in a unanimous bandwagon, and I have enough votes on me to die currently). Then, we hope we have a town-aligned Vig. Clearly if **peeker** is a real doc, he’s going to be self-protecting toNight. A Vig is more likely to hit town than scum if they choose a target randomly, so aiming a Vigging at **peeker** toNight wouldn’t really hurt if he’s a self-protecting Doc, and would bag a scum or PFK-type if he isn’t. This is a crazy idea. There’s a chance that peeker’s doc role prevents him from self-protecting. (Do not answer this peek, obviously). We need at least some WIFOM on the part of scum in selecting a night-kill target re: is peek self-protecting or not? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/489 "2009-09-30T00:57:57Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > followed by this > > **tom scud** > > \*But I agree that OaOW could be either scum or town on the basis of what we know so far about his role. \* > > would this potentially be posting “non controversial stuff” in an effort to look pro town. > > i don’t know but putting someone in the net of both scum and town seems pretty non controversial except to me. And your post in response to the exact same question, that you should “never assume scum wouldn’t do that” ISN’T totally f’ing bland & unobjectionable? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/490 "2009-09-30T00:59:40Z")
**drain**. you are dead on. to some extent i claimed because of the unknown about when the day will actually end and what my schedule will be like the rest of the week. seriously, i might be here 24/7 for the rest of the week or be totally out of the depending on rescheduling. i certainly didn’t want to wake up dead without at least townies having a chance to evaluate the claim i made. and this, i believe, to be the first time i have ever been a doc. can i protect myself or just others? i’m not telling, shit i’m not that nuts. but having sat on the scum side a couple of times we always twisted ourselves on what to do with a doc. if we had a role blocker, no brainer, block and whack. only trouble if town had a redirector god only knows where that fucker would land. or let 'em live and see if we could get paranoid townies to do the lynch for us. maybe not the best play, but at the chance of getting lynched incorrectly i’d rather put the wifom in the scum’s court and see what they do. hey, i honestly thought, and still think, **tom** was being full of crud. **jimmy** jumping in looked dubious. i had a piece of knowledge, i am town, that i tried to leverage. shoot noone agreed to the exten that they want to string me up. crap that’s taking penalizing aggressive play to the extreme. and that’s where i am going to start looking. who conveniently hops on. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/491 "2009-09-30T01:05:48Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > This is a crazy idea. There’s a chance that peeker’s doc role prevents him from self-protecting. (Do not answer this peek, obviously). We need at least some WIFOM on the part of scum in selecting a night-kill target re: is peek self-protecting or not? In my experience as scum, we generally didn’t try to kill claimed docs at this point–the assumption was always that they were self-protecting, especially this early in the game when they couldn’t possibly have anyone else worth protecting. Now, later in the game, if there’s another claimed role that Town would want to have alive (Cop, confirmed Masons, etc.)…that’s when the WIFOM game came into play. But I think if **peeker** is a Doc and can self-protect, there’s no way in Hell he’d be doing anything else toNight. But on the off chance he can’t self-protect (and in a game with more than one Doc, as he’s…rather conveniently…claiming, that could be more of a possibility than usual), I guess my idea won’t work. Like I said, it might be nuts, and probably is–I was just trying to figure out a good way to test his claim without potential drawbacks. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/492 "2009-09-30T01:08:47Z")
jpeg (2): OAoW, TxtKitty Mot Scud(1): peekra The One and Only(1): Kronzor Pecear(4): Gruff, Nook, Ting Phish, Miner77 Normal Faze (1): Braid Dean The Dread Bean (8): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, DaphkneeBlack, Freudian Skit, Fenix, wiltatwirl, UPSDriver ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/493 "2009-09-30T01:09:32Z")
Upon refresh– **peeker** , this game generally DOES punish aggressive play, at least in earlier Days. Those who say more will by necessity have more that can be picked apart and pounced on. Nobody usually starts the lynch-the-lurkers conversation until later on in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/494 "2009-09-30T01:11:28Z")
Also, may I suggest that the next official nickname for Chronos should be “Da Chronic”? ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/495 "2009-09-30T01:15:32Z")
I think it is a bit strange for **peeker** to have claimed when he did. For a doc to claim when not in the vote lead is certainly unconventional; Docs in my experience do everything they can to avoid scrutiny. That does not characterise Peeker’s play so far. Now he could have been trying to seem as un-Doctor as possible so as to avoid being suspected of being doctor, but then his claim would be even stranger… But I think the risk of killing a doc is too great to lynch him at this point. I don’t think **Drain Bead’s** suggestion to the vig is a good idea. First of all, I don’t like it when folks try to direct (even hypothetical) power roles. Even if peeker’s claim is true, it is possible that her plan would result in his death, either because he can’t self-protect (which he should NOT say either way, of course) or for some other reason that we can’t know, since this is a closed game. I know bad ideas aren’t necessarily scummy, but it is suspicious that she hasn’t considered these possibilities. Furthermore, if the hypothetical vig is remorseful and kills a town doc Peeker, we’d lose them too. The fact that Drain Bead is advocating her own lynch at this point does not really make me think of her as more town. Vanilla town have done this in the past; so have scum, for various reasons. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/496 "2009-09-30T01:17:29Z")
All of this was posted whilst I was writing that post (since DB’s post on her idea). Wow! ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/497 "2009-09-30T01:39:59Z")
Things go quickly when someone claims Doc. I’m not really concerned with whether advocating my own lynch makes me look more or less scummy. My main concern is that nobody else (except potentially our leader) vote for me or peeker from here on out. It’ll help with vote analysis later, once I turn up Town, that not everyone is piling on me. If that happens, we learn nothing. Also, while I have never played with peeker that I know of, he seems to have a bit of a rep as an erratic player, so I’ve been keeping that in mind as well when considering his claim. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/498 "2009-09-30T01:41:05Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and that’s where i am going to start looking. who conveniently hops on. Good luck. A lot of low-volume posters in your wagon (including one who’s asked to sub out). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/499 "2009-09-30T02:48:40Z")
Ho-kay. The Peeker bandwagon. First of all, there’s me. I am town. Second, Jimmy. I’m getting very strong pro-town vibes from him and he’s been making a lot of sense in his posts. (At this point, #362, TexCat comes up with the “scumfight” idea, which now looks like it could be a great meme for scum to push, if in fact peeks is in fact Town, as I know I am.) Next, Nanook. Posted only four times, the last accusing peeker of making a weak case and voting. Then Pedescribe announces that Nanook is looking for a sub. Somewhere in here AllWalker not-votes for peeker. He pushes the “scumfight” idea a bit. Then, Gryff. Posted only four times since the election. Once to vote peeker for making a weak case. (and push the scumfight idea a bit) Once to complain about Pedescribe’s weird names. Once to say that making “i am town” statements is helpful to a potential LD, and to poke holes in DB’s argument about why Chronos was fishing with his LD statement. And once to say “I am town”. Grade == INC. Then there’s Oredigger, who’s actually done some posting. Game-relevent posts: > [@Oredigger77](#): > > I dislike power roles bread crumbing. Basically my though goes like this the odds of a single player figuring out the crumb is 1/X but once one scum figured it out they all do so the scum team’s odds are Y/X while the town odds are the opposite since they each need to figure it out on their own 1/(X\*Z). All bread crumbing does is help scum find the power roles. Could be town expressing opinion - could be scum trying to keep Town from getting any information if they’re lucky enough to take down the Cop before the Cop has claimed. > [@Oredigger77](#): > > As far as OAOW goes I’m in favor of hearing what the role is. At this point you’ve claimed a power role so if you’re not scum they know you’re a Town power role and therefore are a great target for a Night 1 kill. I think we can learn more about the game mechanics from you telling us about your powers then from getting your role name after you die. That said there are obvious exceptions the first being why a power role is outed as part of the game mechanics and the WIFOM that creates for both sides. Could be town or scum trying to get more info. > [@Oredigger77](#): > > Ya, I’m with you here I was thinking that I had hit on something with the Tom/Peeker thing and I may have but I don’t think that jumping on the Peeker train at this point will help with giving the town any information. > > This on the other hand is pretty good and I would love to hear and explanation but I’ll hold off a vote until we learn more. > > I don’t get everyone making the statement that they are town because at this point there are enough claims that the lie detector won’t have time to check them all before we get to claims so it’s a safe statement for scum to make too. But since I’m sure that not saying it will be held against me as scummy in later Days. I am town. Middle paragraph is a “me too” in response to amrussell’s finding of the apparent contradiction by Drain Bead, which Jimmy went into in detail somewhere in the last 50 posts. I’m getting a funny vibe from that last paragraph. Yes, there are more claims than a lie detector could fully check, but what if the detector decides that you in particular are questionable? > [@Oredigger77](#): > > I don’t think that you’ve answered the question about your change on Chronos’ first ‘fishing’ attempt. You start off thinking that OAOW did soft claim without being forced by the mod and seem to believe that more questions need to be directed to him about his claim. Then you switch to Chronos fishing for OAOW’s role. > > So what I get from your current posts is that fishing is asking questions that you feel need to be asked and forcing answers with a vote. That sounds like pretty good play to me. Your second thought of a fishing attempt was; > > Basically him claiming to be town so that people who don’t claim could possibly be third party or scum. I think you’re stretching pretty hard to give this a scum motive. There are two types of people who are going to get caught by his game scum and townies who don’t play along. If he’s scum he is shrinking their group for hunting third parties and shrinking the town group for hunting for scum. While possibly a good move for the end game it helps the town more then it does the scum. I don’t think ‘fishing’ for scum is a bad thing even if a couple of townies get caught up in the ploy. Mixing it up with Drain Bead, poking some holes in some pretty weak arguments. At this point the DB wagon was just getting rolling, with 3 on board. > [@Oredigger77](#): > > Ok, I think I buy this. You don’t think that OAOW should have soft claimed so you had questions and you defiantly don’t think that he should full claim so you are voting for Chronos for trying to force that. I don’t think that really counts a fishing and I agree with Chronos in principle but at least I see where you’re coming from. > > I’m still having problems with this. You started off calling this fishing but now you’re saying that he is trying to lead our power roles astray by giving them a group to search that doesn’t have any scum. Even if you’re correct and he is trying to make sure they don’t find any scum with their investigations then he is doing more to help the town because the scum can’t kill that group and the detective will be able to build a group of confirmed townies. > > There is a big difference between fishing and distracting power roles which do you think Chronos is doing again? More mixing it up with DB; again I think mainly Digger has the better of it here. Wagon still at 3. > [@Oredigger77](#): > > I just don’t agree that people stating their townieness will mislead an investigator because it really doesn’t matter what an investigator turns up either he build a group of confirmed town or he takes out scum I don’t think there is a way to make their investigations pointless by dictating who they investigate. I also don’t think this is role fishing whish is what you originally voted Chronos for. > > But everyone jumping onto your train looks like scum trying to save Peeker. He was building a lot of steam and then all of a sudden you started picking up votes, for being pretty inconsistent. Peeker has gone pretty quiet since Drain picked up her first vote in #387, only two posts and one of them was making sure that Jimmy wasn’t upset with him. I think this adds more to the case against Peeker then him having a weird argument with Tom. But I’m still not sure and we’ve got a couple of days to see how it shakes out. starts wondering if the wagon (now at 5) he’s been helping push is picking up too many scum. > [@Oredigger77](#): > > I should be on that list as well. I think you missed a bunch of them when creating your little FOS list. Besides drawing attention from yourself I don’t see what purpose it serves you’ve said yourself that there are townies that won’t make the statement for a variety of reasons. > > Since the whole purpose of the claim was to give the lie detector/detective groups to work with I don’t understand why we need to care about it. There are much more fruitful things to do. Of course you could be trying to do the same thing you accused Chronos of. Kind of whiny about being left off of BD’s list. Having tried it myself, I’m not surprised she missed a few. > [@Oredigger77](#): > > Tilt is also claiming that you missed him so that’s three, there might be others but I really don’t care enough to check you. More whineage. Still basically focusing on BD. > [@Oredigger77](#): > > I agree about the first point and I posted up thread that DB didn’t switch positions there. I still think she was inconsistent in her argument of Chronos ‘fishing’ with his claim of being town but in the end I’m getting more of a townie being railroaded then anything else at this point. So I’m going to > > (bleach)Vote Peeker(/bleach) > > Since I think some of his scummy friends are trying to save him when his scripted fight with Tom got too much attention. After spending a full day sparring with BD, he thinks the BD wagon is all about peeker’s scummy friends. Oh, and again with the scumfight idea. So Digger’s posts are consistent with him being a townie picking at inconsistencies in BD’s story but ultimately deciding that BD is town, her wagon is a bit suspicious, and that he was more worried by peeker’s odd case against me and sudden silence. Or he could be a scum trying to set up tomorrow’s bandwagon now that today’s wagon is rushing downhill. I need a vote somewhere, having provisionally decided to accept Peeker’s claim (oddly timed as it was), and Digger looks suspicious enough for a day 1 vote. **vote Oredigger** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/500 "2009-09-30T03:35:37Z")
NETA: the thing that really pings me is the pivot from picking holes in DB’s arguments (and suggesting that DB’s incomplete list was scummy) to deciding peeker was scum after all & that the move to DB was scummy in origin. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=26)