# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/561 "2009-10-01T00:02:48Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Could a Mod kindly change “Nook” to whatever variation on GuiriEnEspaña is preferred? My vote stays with Peeker tonight. It would be really nice if we used something like posters’ real names, honestly. I don’t know everyone’s names well enough to follow all the action as it is, and Ctrl-F doesn’t respond well to “Griff or Gryph or Gryff or whatever it is” commands. At any rate, **Guiri** , why the ratification of the **peeker** vote? **Nanook** ’s vote took place a long time ago in terms of game events. Here it was: > [@](#): > > Peeker, I’ve played with you before. You’re a better player than that. What Tom said was innocuous and the fact that you keep going on about it bothers me a whole lot. It feels like you’re trying to be the super aggressive guy. In this case, i think you’re trying to be the super aggressive scum. > > Vote peeker I’m just curious, since we can’t just substitute you into that post and have it remain true, presumably, what your actual reasons are. Are we going with fishing and game metaphors, **peeker**? How’s “that dog won’t hunt.”? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/562 "2009-10-01T00:10:43Z")
jpeg (2): OAoW, TxtKitty Mot Scud(1): peekra The One and Only(1): Da’Chronic Pecear(4): Gruff, Oredigger, Boozy, GuiniPizza The Dread Bean (4): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, Freudian Skit, UPSDriver Borerigger(2): Brainbleed Boozy(1): Motscud AllWalker(1): Scudmissile ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/563 "2009-10-01T00:19:53Z")
Scud’s on there twice. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/564 "2009-10-01T00:21:39Z")
Oredigger is listed as having 2 votes but only one person voting for him. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/565 "2009-10-01T00:34:38Z")
and what **jimmy** quotes was going to be my next circle around to. **coca cola** and i have played a LOT of games together. cracked my cherry with him. matter of fact he might have been the first soul that ever voted me (shit, talk about peeing your pants when you see your name all bolded and blue - it was a long time ago folks). he knows the way i play. the only time i ever get in front is when i know something and have a little up my sleeve. so here, i can go ahead and play a little aggressive, i know i’m town and wtf i get a doc role. so i play a little loose. kind of like sitting down at poker and being triple stacked against the nearest fellow. you can roll a little easier. take a gander at c3. i sure as heck would not have played that way if i didn’t know what i knew. but part of my plan was to get the attention on me and let the smart fuckers take down the bad guys. does it play out. maybe so maybe no. but it gave my team the best chance to win, imho. same here. let’s stir the ant mound and see what pops. and, **jimmy** please don’t play dumb. you are past that. you know that asking me to give any inkling about whether i am solo or multiple is looking for information that only scum will benefit from. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/566 "2009-10-01T00:38:04Z")
I think everyone was assuming that you were definitely saying you were one of multiple Docs. Knowing that you’re not saying one way or another helps clarify things a bit. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/567 "2009-10-01T00:42:19Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > And here I was, thinking you were pretty damn good at this game. When we’re both dead, you’ll have to tell me what the hell you thought you were up to, claiming Doc Day One. it gives town the best chance of winning. actually, **boozy** depending on how c3 finishes i might very well have the best win/loss percentage. and, hee hee hee, i just get out of the way. oh, and help you stir the shit. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/568 "2009-10-01T00:44:57Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I think everyone was assuming that you were definitely saying you were one of multiple Docs. Knowing that you’re not saying one way or another helps clarify things a bit. asumptions are not good. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/569 "2009-10-01T00:59:26Z")
jpeg (2): OAoW, TxtKitty Mot Scud(1): peekra The One and Only(1): Da’Chronic Pecear(4): Gruff, Oredigger, Boozy, GuiniPizza The Dread Bean (4): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, Freudian Skit, UPSDriver Borerigger(1): Brainbleed AllWalker(1): Scudmissile ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/570 "2009-10-01T01:05:23Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Fair enough. What I said was true, but if I weren’t me, I’d do the same thing you’re doing. > > Want even more wild and crazy Squid switcheroo? > > I’m gonna vote for **peeker**. Why? Dude was on the fence of being lynched (I don’t think he actually ever took the vote lead, he was building up a head of steam), and claimed Doc. > Claiming Doc a great move for scum worried that they’re about to get lynched: usually, the real Doc stays silent, and you get several days of unlynchability, as you’re not required to reveal any information like you would with claiming Cop. Worst case scenario, the real Doc comes out and points a finger at you, Town lynches you because it makes more sense that real scum wouldn’t do a one for one trade with a Doc, and now you’ve just isolated the Doc. He’s even more likely to self-protect, and therefore you’ve neutralize him because you don’t have to worry about stumbling into his protection. > What **peeker** did was taking option A, while attempting to forestall an eventual counterclaim. He preps us for the counterclaim, and then says “See guys, I told you this would happen! I’m still ‘confirmed’!” Great move for scum, if it works. > **unvote: Oredigger > vote: peeker** you bitter little twisted man. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/571 "2009-10-01T01:09:59Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Anyone care to parse out the truth-value of the sentence > > “I see no harm in saying I am Town aligned whether or not there is a lie detector.” > > if it is said by a scum? I think it could turn out true, if he says it in a way that it can’t be separated out into its own sentence. > > **unvote** > **vote AllWalker** (snipped and bleached for your protection) Speaking as someone who’s been known to vote for people for having a name start with the wrong letter, or the excessive use of semicolons… This is the worst justification I think I’ve ever seen for a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/572 "2009-10-01T01:11:10Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > you bitter little twisted man. That’s me! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/573 "2009-10-01T01:59:41Z")
Quoth **Drain Bead** : > [@](#): > > So what this boils down to is that you don’t trust anyone’s analysis of what’s best for Town, and you want to judge for yourself. But you seem to be creating a dilemma here. If OAOW is scum, won’t he just make up some sort of full claim if pressured enough? Well, of course scum will lie. That’s a part of the game. And it’s not necessarily all that bad, since Scum lying opens up the possibility of them accidentally being inconsistent in their lies. But the less a liar says, the less the risk of being caught in an inconsistency. Quoth **Jimmy** : > [@](#): > > It would be really nice if we used something like posters’ real names, honestly. I don’t know everyone’s names well enough to follow all the action as it is, and Ctrl-F doesn’t respond well to “Griff or Gryph or Gryff or whatever it is” commands. A good idea, and while we’re at it, something under players’ control: When folks unvote, could we all try to be specific about whom we’re unvoting? A post like **Tom Scud** ’s [555](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11615486&postcount=555) makes it a little harder to follow exactly what’s going on. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/574 "2009-10-01T02:20:02Z")
One more question: Who’s motscud, and who’s Scuddy? Aren’t they both Tom[del]Scum[/del]Scud? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/575 "2009-10-01T02:51:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **Drain Bead** :Well, of course scum will lie. That’s a part of the game. And it’s not necessarily all that bad, since Scum lying opens up the possibility of them accidentally being inconsistent in their lies. But the less a liar says, the less the risk of being caught in an inconsistency. > > Quoth **Jimmy** :A good idea, and while we’re at it, something under players’ control: When folks unvote, could we all try to be specific about whom we’re unvoting? A post like **Tom Scud** ’s [555](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11615486&postcount=555) makes it a little harder to follow exactly what’s going on. soitanly. **Unvoteth Tommeth Scummly** does that help **laertes**? so because not all is well in denmark **vote ulla**. oh crud, not this game. **unvote**. yeeps. ok, screw it. because the son of a gun always hangs low and is always right there regardless of alignment. playing slow when i don’t know for sure you are on my team. and since i know i am town. **vote billmc** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/576 "2009-10-01T03:02:32Z")
and crud that didn’t come off right. **bill** is really a kind of scary player. when he’s on my side i know i have my back up. but he is also like a testicle that doesn’t fully protude. if it stays inside you it can kind of cannibalize the rest of your body all the while looking real helpful. i mean, seriously look at jessica simpson. that’s really all i am saying is all. ---
**Author:** ![tiltawhirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@tiltawhirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiltawhirl)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/577 "2009-10-01T04:30:57Z")
OK, after evaluating Tom Scud’s analysis of Oredigger I don’t find anything that registers as overtly scummy. It’s common (in this game, at least) for players to toss out contradictory thoughts without framing language like “one one hand, on the other hand.” Oredigger pushed hard on Drain Bead’s inconsistencies on the alignment claims, while also smudging those in her bandwagon. No vote to Oredigger, but Tom Scud continues to impress with well-reasoned, pro-town play. ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/578 "2009-10-01T09:00:31Z")
I have to say I don’t like this whole Claim a power role and get a free get out of lynching free card. It makes the odds of hanging a town person even higher. I mean, it is expected that scum would claim a decent, yet hard to verify power role every time time they are up for Lynching. If we move onto another target every time we get a power claim all it means is that eventually we get to a vanilla, or weak power role we are willing to hang. This is almost certainly going to be a honest town person as any scum we managed to get through luck or good detective work will just claim Doctor, Cop or Role Blocker. Unfortunately I don’t have a good alternative as losing Doctors et al is without doubt bad for us. I suppose we have to decide whether an risky chance of success is better than a certain fail for us? Personally I doubt **Peeker** s claim of doctor and his behaviour still feels off to me. I don’t think we should automatically give scum free passes due to a claim that we can’t verify. As such my vote remains where it is. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/579 "2009-10-01T09:02:09Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I think everyone was assuming that you were definitely saying you were one of multiple Docs. Knowing that you’re not saying one way or another helps clarify things a bit. No, that’s not correct. Both Alka Seltzer and I queried that statement. > [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > **@Peeker** - By saying “A DOC” are you actually implying there are multiple doctors in this game? Or was it just wording? > > I need a response to that before I can comment on the claim. > [@CatInASuit](#): > > Ok, I took this to mean he was claiming Doc, but because it is closed setup he can’t comment on any other roles that may or may not exist. > > If he had said THE doc, that would imply extra knowledge of roles. > > Then again, it could just be peekercpa’s wording. I really don’t like blanket statements like that. I don’t have a problems with players thinking peekercpa was talking about multiple docs. I do have a problem with someone throwing out that everyone was thinking like that, when it can be shown to be false. That sounds like backtracking to me and trying to cover everyone in that statement so you don’t sound so bad. good enough for me at the mo. **vote Drain Bead** ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/580 "2009-10-01T09:17:27Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i never said that. > > i said “a”. > > a can be a group of one. a can be a group of more than one. > > i’m sure scum would love to know if there is more than one doc. well for them it is all supposition. i am “a” doctor. > > claiming 101: fcs don’t make it any easier on the folks that drive the claim by giving out any more information than is absolutely necessary. See, this would all be well and good, except you didn’t just throw ‘a’ out there. You specifically said that you used ‘a’ for a reason. Using ‘a’ specifically designates an unquantified amount, and when compared with ‘the’, it definitely indicates multiples. Perhaps you don’t recall what you said earlier. it was this: > [@peekercpa](#): > > and it is probably not in town’s best interest to lynch a doctor on Day one. > > yes, it’s a claim and the A is definitely on purpose. > > play close attention folks, to what transpires next. What did you think would transpire next, **peeks**? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=30)