# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/601 "2009-10-01T13:43:39Z")
First off, welcome to the game Guiri and thanks for subbing in. > [@peekercpa](#): > > i said “a”. > > a can be a group of one. a can be a group of more than one. The poor wording in your important role-claim (emphasising the ‘A’) caused confusion, which is anti-town. > [@Chronos](#): > > I prefer to base decisions on objective data rather than subjective, whenever possible, and objective data is hard to come by on Day 1. I see day 1 as crucial for getting a handle on players. **@Chronos** - Which player is most likely to be scum in your opinion? I don’t object to your position on OaOW’s soft claim, but I don’t like the fact you are still pursuing a policy lynch that town has rejected. > [@Gryff](#): > > Personally I doubt **Peeker** s claim of doctor and his behaviour still feels off to me. I don’t think we should automatically give scum free passes due to a claim that we can’t verify. Good to see Gryff is being more active. I also have serious doubts about Peeker’s claim. Doctor is the canonical scum claim, as scum can say they were either roleblocked or protected the wrong person. There are more scum than doctors, so town is more likely to vote a scum who is prepared to claim than a real doctor. > [@AllWalker](#): > > Well, that’s true. But here is something to consider when suggestion we hang a claimed Doc (should it come to that, for example): > a) If he really is a Doc, then we lose the Doc entirely. It was as if we never had the role in the first place. This, obviously, hurts Town badly. > b) If it is a Scum, then Town buys itself an extra mislynch and that is all. The Scum team can still operate with its NKs and all. Also, one Day doesn’t provide much material to analyse. > > If it is a VT, it doesn’t cost Town much to risk them. But for a claim, waiting for a few Days either lets them use their power a bit (if truthful) or build up a record for analysis (if lying). As much as it sucks, that does help us out. Another possibility is that Peeker might be a scum power role, and is hoping for a few days alive to use those powers. Despite this, I think the smart play for town is not to lynch a claimed doctor at this point. If Peeker is in fact scum, it’s good for town that he’s been forced into a claim, he is now highly exposed. If he is really the doctor, the scum team have to handle him. Kill or roleblock if they have that option, there are downsides to anything they choose to do. > [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **Jimmy** :A good idea, and while we’re at it, something under players’ control: When folks unvote, could we all try to be specific about whom we’re unvoting? A post like **Tom Scud** ’s [555](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11615486&postcount=555) makes it a little harder to follow exactly what’s going on. Good idea, I’ll make sure I do this in future. It’s hard to keep track of things with so many players, I unvoted Drain Bead earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/602 "2009-10-01T13:45:39Z")
Right now, I’m going to: **Vote jpei** I’m not concerned about his original failure to vote for leader, but his explanation of why strike me as contrived. Or greater concern is his failure to participate beyond defending himself. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/603 "2009-10-01T13:45:40Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Holy crap. Sorry. > > You know, I kind of wish I were Scum and that was some deliberate move on my part, because that is quite brilliant wording on my part if I am. But I’m not. It was purely a miswording on my part. Let me set it in stone: > > **I am Town aligned** > > But really, that sentence would still catch me out, probably. If I say " I see no harm in saying I am Town aligned whether or not there is a lie detector", that is false if I am Scum. I _would_ see the harm in saying that. Saying it would catch me in a lie. I can buy that. **unvote AllWalker** **vote Oredigger** Not entirely happy with an OreDigger vote, but I’m less unhappy than with the alternatives. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/604 "2009-10-01T13:49:52Z")
**Day One will end at 9:45 AM tomorrow, Eastern time.** ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/605 "2009-10-01T13:50:29Z")
I’m looking over **Oredigger** , and I’m not seeing much jump out at me. Nothing that hasn’t been adequately explained, at least. I think that covers it for the people I had suspicions of, but I’ll look again. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/606 "2009-10-01T13:51:44Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Day One will end at 9:45 AM tomorrow, Eastern time.** I think Mahaloth got confused by the “A” names. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/607 "2009-10-01T13:52:50Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Day One will end at 9:45 AM tomorrow, Eastern time.** But… but… I didn’t vote yet! 🙂 Well, in order to keep with the structure of this, **Vote Chronos** There. Locked in stone. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/608 "2009-10-01T13:53:05Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Day One will end at 9:45 AM tomorrow, Eastern time.** I’ve read the last few posts about 8 times and I didn’t see an **AllWalker** vote. Am I blind, or are you confusing **AllWalker** and **Alka Seltzer** (which is remarkably easy to do)? ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/609 "2009-10-01T13:54:20Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Doctor is the canonical scum claim, as scum can say they were either roleblocked or protected the wrong person. There are more scum than doctors, so town is more likely to vote a scum who is prepared to claim than a real doctor. This is odd to me. I’ve never heard this ‘conventional wisdom’ before, and I haven’t seen this in a lot of Mafia games – though I could be forgetting some. What I have seen is scum claim doctor later in a game to try to draw a counterclaim from the real doctor, but peeker’s claim actually seems more townie to me since he wasn’t setting that up (the ‘a’ v ‘the’ question). I don’t really understand your second sentence. Could you rephrase that maybe? It sounds like you’re saying a given claim of doctor is more likely to be scum than a real doctor… is that what you mean to say? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/610 "2009-10-01T13:54:30Z")
damned simulposts. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/611 "2009-10-01T14:01:12Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’ve read the last few posts about 8 times and I didn’t see an **AllWalker** vote. Am I blind, or are you confusing **AllWalker** and **Alka Seltzer** (which is remarkably easy to do)? Hi, everyone, I’m dumb. I confused Alka wth AllWalker. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/612 "2009-10-01T14:05:57Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > This is odd to me. I’ve never heard this ‘conventional wisdom’ before, and I haven’t seen this in a lot of Mafia games – though I could be forgetting some. What I have seen is scum claim doctor later in a game to try to draw a counterclaim from the real doctor, but peeker’s claim actually seems more townie to me since he wasn’t setting that up (the ‘a’ v ‘the’ question). > > I don’t really understand your second sentence. Could you rephrase that maybe? It sounds like you’re saying a given claim of doctor is more likely to be scum than a real doctor… is that what you mean to say? **Alka** ’s statement is more or less a rephrasing of what I said about scum and doctors. Taking some numbers out of my a.. hat, lets say we have 20 players, 5 of which are scum, 2 of which are doctors and 13 are cops (short game 😉 ). Taking each lynch attempt in a metaphorical vacuum, if you were to attempt to lynch each of the scum and doctors and chart their claims, it is likely you would get 7 claims of doctor. 5 to 2 odds that a doctor is in fact scum there. So not any given claim (a phrase you used when confused by my examples earlier), but any doctor claim in such a situation is more likely scum than doctor. I am not sure you are over thinking these examples or trying to twist them but your comments in regards to them seem a little odd to me. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/613 "2009-10-01T14:08:29Z")
Is there any way we can recuperate those 7 minutes of voting time before the end of Day 1? I’m not sure how I feel about AllWalker’s vote for Chronos. I was actually quite impressed with Chronos’ perseverance with his vote for OaOW throughout a number of bandwagons and vote swings. If Chronos is scum and afraid of OaOW’s powers, wouldn’t he get more scum join in the vote? Don’t scum have their own private chat somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/614 "2009-10-01T14:09:21Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Right now, I’m going to: > > Vote jpei > > I’m not concerned about his original failure to vote for leader, but his explanation of why strike me as contrived. Or greater concern is his failure to participate beyond defending himself. (bleached) Yeah, apart from some minor speculation on why OaOW was ineligible, he hasn’t commented on anything at all except his decision not to vote. I don’t like LtL and really dislike Lynch the Noob, and with 24 players this thread is moving ridiculously fast, but **jpei** definitely deserves some heat. I’d also like to hear a bit more from **amrussell** , **USCDiver** , **OaOW** , and **TexCat**. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/615 "2009-10-01T14:19:56Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Is there any way we can recuperate those 7 minutes of voting time before the end of Day 1? > > I’m not sure how I feel about AllWalker’s vote for Chronos. I was actually quite impressed with Chronos’ perseverance with his vote for OaOW throughout a number of bandwagons and vote swings. If Chronos is scum and afraid of OaOW’s powers, wouldn’t he get more scum join in the vote? Don’t scum have their own private chat somewhere? Usually scum can only chat at Night. I would like to see **Chronos** answer the question that **Alka Seltzer** posed. Does he see **OAOW** as being the most scummy person in the thread? If so, why does he beat out everyone else, including the several vote leaders (myself included, natch)? If not, why isn’t he voting for the most scummy? I definitely have problems with **Chronos’** vote and reasoning. First off, seeing as he’s the only one currently doing it, with others openly disagreeing with it, it’s doubtful to have the effect that he’s looking for. Second, he’s already made the record clear that he disagrees with what **OAOW** is doing and that’s why he’s voting. If he truly can’t see a scummier candidate, that’s one thing, but if he can, it’s time to realize that his objection has been noted for the record, and move on to someone he finds scummier. This is why I’m asking the question–the vote seems like it’s an exercise in futility at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/616 "2009-10-01T14:25:35Z")
Oh, I’d also like to hear from **BillMC** a bit more (including a pro forma “I am Town” statement), but at least he’s been forthright about being pressed for time et cetera. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/617 "2009-10-01T14:31:42Z")
Oh, heck, and while I’m playing unelected hall monitor (this is not a role claim btw), **Freudian** has been quiet for a couple days after a lot of early activity. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/618 "2009-10-01T14:32:06Z")
Can people really not tell the difference between a headache remedy and a committed pedestrian? > [@DaphneBlack](#): > > This is odd to me. I’ve never heard this ‘conventional wisdom’ before, and I haven’t seen this in a lot of Mafia games – though I could be forgetting some. I think it’s from the wiki on the MafiaScum site - “most doctor claims are fake”. In my one completed game the first scum claimed doctor when he was about to be lynched. I’ve also read a couple games with fake doctor claims. Personally, I’ve only seen genuine doc claims when town mass claims. > [@DaphneBlack](#): > > What I have seen is scum claim doctor later in a game to try to draw a counterclaim from the real doctor, but peeker’s claim actually seems more townie to me since he wasn’t setting that up (the ‘a’ v ‘the’ question). Why was that pro-town? It confused everyone, and if Peeker is a scum power role he’d have a good reason to head off a counter-claim. > [@DaphneBlack](#): > > I don’t really understand your second sentence. Could you rephrase that maybe? It sounds like you’re saying a given claim of doctor is more likely to be scum than a real doctor… is that what you mean to say? Assuming there is a single doctor, 1/24 chance of picking the doctor at random. Roughly 1/4 of the players are likely to be scum. The way I see it, scum have nothing to lose by throwing in a fake doctor claim. Oh, and because someone asked, I’m a he, both on the internet and in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/619 "2009-10-01T14:36:55Z")
**Anyway, it ends at 9:52 AM tomorrow, Eastern.** ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/620 "2009-10-01T14:37:06Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Can people really not tell the difference between a headache remedy and a committed pedestrian? You are awesome. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=32)