# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/681 "2009-10-02T08:50:25Z")
> [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > Until we get more solid evidence of the claim (like a title or role profile). > > **Vote Peeker** > > That will enable any other doctors to call him out if it’s a false claim. Err, hold on, you want other doctors if they exist to come out and counter claim 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/682 "2009-10-02T08:55:05Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > Well, it wasn’t as if she was telling the truth in the statement was she? Should I just let it go? You say it’s lése-majesté, I say it’s covering, considering that two people in the same conversation said the opposite to her. Yes, but covering what? If she’s scum, what does she gain? If she were being attacked for making that assumption, then I could see a motive for saying that all the cool kids were doing it too. But she wasn’t. You’re accusing her of running from a charge no-one was making. I don’t see the motivation. I do see you paying a lot of attention to how people represent your posts, but not so much to finding scum. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/683 "2009-10-02T10:24:03Z")
Holy Crap! I’m trying my best to keep up, but I’m not doing a very good job of it. I’m happy where my vote is now. There were a couple of **Drain’s** posts a few pages back that had me raising my eyebrows again, but I don’t really have the time to go back and link them right now. I’m going to be out of town for the weekend, but since it’s Night that shouldn’t affect me too much. I anticipate catching up Sunday afternoon. If my participation has been too lacking y’all let me know and I’ll ask for a sub. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/684 "2009-10-02T10:31:51Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > Yes, but covering what? If she’s scum, what does she gain? If she were being attacked for making that assumption, then I could see a motive for saying that all the cool kids were doing it too. But she wasn’t. You’re accusing her of running from a charge no-one was making. I don’t see the motivation. I do see you paying a lot of attention to how people represent your posts, but not so much to finding scum. I’m thinking about motivations on both sides for what **CIAS** did. If **CIAS** is scum, the vote seems like a late push of my bandwagon for a pretty weak reason that may end up drawing a lot of attention his way once I flip town. Not a smart play for scum. But if **CIAS** is Town, the thinking could have been “I know I’m town, and this person seems to be twisting my words around, and that’s scummy.” Fallacious reasoning, since as you said, I had nothing to gain by speaking in a generalization there, but I read a Townie motivation behind that vote as being somewhat more likely. After all, I took the same offense when you and AS and NP all said I was “reluctant” to claim Town, but I’m Town, and I’d hazard a bet that at least one of you is Town also. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/685 "2009-10-02T10:33:28Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **Alka Seltzer** :I would have thought my vote made that clear: I think that, given the information I have, **Wanderers** has a higher probability of being Scum than any other player (though still not all that high, this being Day 1). I also have suspicions of **peeker** and **Drain Bead** , for reasons elaborated by others, but those are based on subjective assessments, and I don’t trust myself on subjective decisions. Fair enough. I felt the need to ask as you’re pursuing a policy lynch, so your position wasn’t clear. > [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > Until we get more solid evidence of the claim (like a title or role profile). > > … > > That will enable any other doctors to call him out if it’s a false claim. I’m opposed to a counter-claim at this point. If Peeker has any flavour in his role PM to support his claim he should share it. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/686 "2009-10-02T10:41:17Z")
what **amrussell** said. giving a title and/or specific powers does nothing but help scum. first, in that they get way too much info. second, it also helps them fake a claim. so whether i am a/the doctor, a/the pediatrician or a/the dr. welby, m.d. i’m not saying. same with powers, can i do a, b, c or d or some combo? look, you either believe me or you don’t. if you do then who cares and it only helps scum. if you don’t then who cares and will only help scum. i would also strongly counsel that any other power roles that may claim that they follow the same advice. and i may not be able to get back on before day end and it still is a durn close thing. so if i swing look real close. because to lynch a claimed doc on Day one may very well be a first. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/687 "2009-10-02T10:48:32Z")
oh, and **unvote** vote **vote cold phoenix** for endorsing what could very well be the worst idea of Day one with a me too. at least the other souls came up with some cruddy justification/reasoning. not that this in any way shape or form indicates any type of agreement with said justification/reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![jpei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@jpei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jpei)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/688 "2009-10-02T10:56:08Z")
My canned post: This day isn’t over yet, folks. My role PM is: [spoiler]Your role is: Head Miner (Town Governor) You are the most efficient and most leader-like of the miners–a rare combination. As such, you were founder of the local branch of the Miner’s Union (no affiliation with the warmongering unions elsewhere on the planet) and you quickly garnered much respect from the town. With this respect, you can easily establish yourself as town leader for the day…for a day. Even your commanding figure will come under fire if you attempt to sway the town more than once. There will be mutterings. Don’t do it. Summary: 1. At anytime during the Day, you can simply declare yourself to be town leader for the day, and it will be so. You cannot do this more than once.[/spoiler] I declare myself town leader for today. As I have not yet voted, the day won’t be ending quite yet. I am open for suggestions as to when this should really end. (I’m envisioning a Sunday afternoon vote to a Monday afternoon close at the moment.) ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/689 "2009-10-02T11:03:04Z")
> [@jpei](#): > > My canned post: > > This day isn’t over yet, folks. > > My role PM is: > > [spoiler]Your role is: > > Head Miner (Town Governor) > > You are the most efficient and most leader-like of the miners–a rare combination. As such, you were founder of the local branch of the Miner’s Union (no affiliation with the warmongering unions elsewhere on the planet) and you quickly garnered much respect from the town. With this respect, you can easily establish yourself as town leader for the day…for a day. Even your commanding figure will come under fire if you attempt to sway the town more than once. There will be mutterings. Don’t do it. > > Summary: > > 1. At anytime during the Day, you can simply declare yourself to be town leader for the day, and it will be so. You cannot do this more than once.[/spoiler] > > I declare myself town leader for today. As I have not yet voted, the day won’t be ending quite yet. > > I am open for suggestions as to when this should really end. (I’m envisioning a Sunday afternoon vote to a Monday afternoon close at the moment.) Cool role! Great move but if you’re so leader-like and efficient, why did you go so quiet for 3 days? Monday close is good for me. \*\*Unvote Jpei \*\* ---
**Author:** ![jpei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@jpei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jpei)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/690 "2009-10-02T11:07:17Z")
Hmm, I probably should have bolded that a bit to make it more clear. > [@peekercpa](#): > > giving a title and/or specific powers does nothing but help scum. first, in that they get way too much info. second, it also helps them fake a claim. You claim that: 1. Giving away the title does nothing for the town. Why would you even say that when it’s obvious for all to see that it _does_ help town doctors at least evaluate your truth? 2. It gives away way too much info for the scum. I already noted that you’ll likely be dead and your role revealed anyway before a scum roleclaims. Since you play this way, how about we vote for you until you reveal your title. This way, if you’re town, you’d be dead anyway with your role revealed, so the only pro-town choice would be to reveal yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/691 "2009-10-02T11:08:38Z")
Jesus wept. Whatever it was you think we all did to you, I’m sure we’re all very sorry. But we don’t deserve this. No-one deserves this. What is it exactly that you think you are achieving for town by using this power now? (Note - I’m assuming this is true, because if the Mods don’t extend the Day then jpei is going to swing without question.) ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/692 "2009-10-02T11:28:50Z")
No, no, no. I think that **peeker** saying more than he has would serve no Town purpose. If he’s scum, he’ll just lie. If he is Town, I would actually think it’s more likely (just based on my past experience on this board) for Town to have two protective roles whose names and abilitiies differ slightly than to have two identical Docs; so if I am another protective role, having **peeker’s** info doesn’t help me evaluate the truth of his claim at all. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/693 "2009-10-02T11:31:29Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Anyway, it ends at 9:52 AM tomorrow, Eastern.** **Question for Mods, does day 1 still end today at 9:52 AM, Eastern?** ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/694 "2009-10-02T11:38:42Z")
\*\*Gueri \*\*, why are you assuming that just because \*\*jpei \*\*has this power, it means he (she?) must be Town? If anything, this seems like a power that would be more suited to Scum. Moreover, since it is a one-shot power, the worst case scenario if he is Town is that we would lynch an effectively Vanilla Townie whose play hasn’t done much to help Town. I am strongly considering changing my vote to **jpei** based on this, but it looks like there is (moan) no hurry, so I can take time to think about it. Probably offline until tomorrow evening, see you all on Page 37 or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/695 "2009-10-02T11:38:55Z")
Yes, why exactly have you extended the (already long) day? I could see you doing it just to prove you have the power to avoid swinging, but that isn’t your justification, and actually participating with the game rather than lurking all this time would probably have been sufficient to manage that. In that case I would also expect you to only extended it a short while to prove the powers ability, rather than all weekend. You have also used up a power that could have helped town towards the end game when a scum controlled leader could have caused us real problems. Incidentally , this brings to mind a question **What happens if the leader is active, but just refuses to end the day until X happens. (i.e until vote goes his way, or other nefarious uses)** Even if, as appears likely, you are telling the truth this is still an anti-town action. I can’t see how this helps us? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/696 "2009-10-02T11:43:56Z")
Right \*\*Gryff, \*\*the pro-Town thing to do would have been to just post the role PM and see if that moved votes off him, actually using the power only if people didn’t believe him and he was still in danger, and then only to delay the end of Day briefly. But I guess you are also right that, under other circumstances, this power could have been useful to Town, so I will repress my overwhelming urge to vote \*\*jpie \*\* and sign off for now. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/697 "2009-10-02T12:03:59Z")
> [@jpei](#): > > I am open for suggestions as to when this should really end. (I’m envisioning a Sunday afternoon vote to a Monday afternoon close at the moment.) I think the day’s been plenty long. I’m hoping the game will be easier to follow after a few deaths! ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/698 "2009-10-02T12:11:10Z")
By easier to follow I mean because we may only crank out a couple of new pages a day. I know talk’s good but only if people have time to read it all! > [@peekercpa](#): > > for endorsing what could very well be the worst idea of Day one with a me too. at least the other souls came up with some cruddy justification/reasoning. not that this in any way shape or form indicates any type of agreement with said justification/reasoning. I don’t think that a title claim helps scum too much but may potentailly help town a lot if you’re scum. Especially if we have a cop? I’m not so sure on my vote now that more experienced players have come and said that the roles may not be the same even for two doctors. But I’m learning not to trust what anyone says in this game… To be honest I don’t have much experience with power roles. The only time I haven’t been vanilla town was when I got really excited to find out I was the seriel killer in the last game… ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/699 "2009-10-02T12:14:27Z")
_sings_ _Those were the Days, my friends, we thought they’d never end …_ Hahahaha. Rest of my thoughts pending modly confirmation. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/700 "2009-10-02T12:24:16Z")
OK. Jpei’s claim does explain the lack of voting from him. I can even understand the use of the power as we were getting quite close to day end, though I would have preferred a gap to see what people did before using the power. I am waiting for a mod confirmation that day end has moved before I unvote. If jpei never votes, what happens, does the game stalemate through a never ending day one? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=36)