# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![jpei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@jpei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jpei)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/721 "2009-10-02T13:58:50Z")
Quick post: I’ll take 48 hours before I vote if I can, 24 hours if I have to. I won’t be here for the next 12 hours or so. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/722 "2009-10-02T14:09:09Z")
Looking at jpei’s claim, it could be a scum or town power. Looking at the flavour, I find it pretty convincing, so I’m going to: **Unvote jpei** Assuming jpei is town, I think he’s wasted a potentially useful power, in order to ‘confirm’ himself and prevent his lynch. His own play has brought him to the point where he had to claim, Normal Phase warned him some time ago he wasn’t really contributing. I think the leader grabbing power could have been best used close to an endgame or after a mass claim, but that’s pretty academic now. > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Moreover, since it is a one-shot power, the worst case scenario if he is Town is that we would lynch an effectively Vanilla Townie whose play hasn’t done much to help Town. I don’t entirely disagree, but as with Peeker, if jpei is scum he is now exposed. I think the smart play is to leave him alive for now. If jpei is town, he’s made himself a target for the scum. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > This role would have been great at endgame, but at the rate it was going, he wasn’t going to make it to endgame. If he claimed truthfully but didn’t use the power, he’s a prime target for scum to NK. If he claimed untruthfully it’s all bad for reasons I stated upthread. If he’s scum, he’s just now used a very potent scum power. Like **peeker** , we should accept his claim (provided the mods confirm, which I’d imagine they will) for the time being, but we should not necessarily accept his _alignment_ as the game moves forward from toDay. I agree with this. I need to re-read and see if any of my suspisions amounts to a proper case. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/723 "2009-10-02T14:12:46Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Yeah, agreed, lets hear your title. > > How about the full role? Plus side scum would have to manufacture one and might make a mistake, down side if peeker is really a Doc the full role would reveal its mechanics, which would be an aid to scum… > > I’d hang fire on the full role text, but the title is worth throwing out there. I’ve got to say this made me laugh a little. The person who is most secretive about their role in the game pushing Peeker for more information when we know way more about Peeker’s role then we do about OAOW’s. Also jpei I’m not sure why you’re using your power now. This could have been done yesterday with the same effect as it is we’re now going to have a Day last almost two weeks. As it I we’ve already managed to out three power roles and we could end up in a similar situation to WWW where all of the power roles were outed in the first here Days. One more thing I wanted to mention is that ColdPhonix has now jumped on two different bandwagons with little reason and the reason that he’s had have been bad. He didn’t see Drain claim town and now he’s voting Peeker because he wants solid evidence of a Doc claim on Day 1. I know he unvoted Drain as soon as she provided the evidence he asked for but I don’t like jumping on bandwagons for bad reasons and then being quick to jump off of them. So I’m going to move my vote. **Unvote FS Vote ColdPhoenix** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/724 "2009-10-02T14:24:12Z")
> [@jpei](#): > > Quick post: > > I’ll take 48 hours before I vote if I can, 24 hours if I have to. > > I won’t be here for the next 12 hours or so. Oh, don’t let anyone rush you or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/725 "2009-10-02T14:35:08Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Looking at jpei’s claim, it could be a scum or town power. Looking at the flavour, I find it pretty convincing, so I’m going to: > > **Unvote jpei** > > Assuming jpei is town, I think he’s wasted a potentially useful power, in order to ‘confirm’ himself and prevent his lynch. His own play has brought him to the point where he had to claim, Normal Phase warned him some time ago he wasn’t really contributing. I agree that it’s bizarre either way. If you did have this power you think you’d save it. We had a perfectly cromulent leader already, and I don’t see why jpei thinks he’s a better leader. And again, we only have his word that this is town. It certainly doesn’t feel pro town to me. It’s needlessly stirring things up. If you had this power I think it would be better to discuss it with us before just springing it on us. **Unvote Drainbead** **Vote Jpei** ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/726 "2009-10-02T14:43:58Z")
> [@jpei](#): > > Quick post: > > I’ll take 48 hours before I vote if I can, 24 hours if I have to. > > I won’t be here for the next 12 hours or so. Who do you think this is helping? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/727 "2009-10-02T14:46:41Z")
jpei (4): TexCat, Daphne Black, Tom Scud, Freudian Slit OneandOnlyWanders(1): Chronos peekercpa(3): Gryph, Boozahol Squid, PI, Cold Phoenix Drain Bead (3): Normal Phase, USCDriver, CatInASuit Bill MC(3): Jimmy Chitwood, Drain Bead, tiltawhirl Chronos(1): AllWalker Boozahol Squid, PI(2): Bill MC, Thing Fish CatInASuit (1): amrussell Cold Phoenix (2): peekercpa, Oredigger ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/728 "2009-10-02T14:52:36Z")
NETA: And I’m aware that **Alka** ’s reasoning is that we shouldn’t vote for jpei, but I’m focusing on the second part–that it’s anti town. Either he’s scum or he’s a very anti town townie and either way I don’t like it. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/729 "2009-10-02T15:32:45Z")
I agree that jpei has not played his role well. This close to the deadline, he didn’t have much choice but to claim and use his power. Friday afternoon/evening probably isn’t the most active time, it’s possible he’d have been lynched by intertia. > [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > NETA: And I’m aware that **Alka** ’s reasoning is that we shouldn’t vote for jpei, but I’m focusing on the second part–that it’s anti town. Either he’s scum or he’s a very anti town townie and either way I don’t like it. I dislike policy votes, as they don’t provide information and provide a safe bandwagon for scum to hide their votes in. At this point, I’d prefer to give jpei a chance to pick up his play, I think he is a new to the game and may not realise how his play is anti-town. I think there are strategic advantages to leaving him alive. This is a closed setup, we don’t yet know if there is a way of confirming his role. **@Freudian Slit** - What do you think of the flavour provided in jpei’s claim? The day has been over-long, but it’s certainly been interesting. It should give us quite a bit to work with on subsequent days, once people flip. Looking at Drain Bead’s play since becoming vote leader, I think she is more likely to be town than a gambitting scum. If she was scum, I’d have expected her ‘lynch me’ request to pick up a bus vote or two. I haven’t agreed with all of her ideas, but I’d describe her play as pro-town. **@BillMC** - Why did you single out Boozy for a vote, when others assumed Peeker was saying there are multiple doctors? Is that really all you have? Also, what are your thoughts on jpei’s claim? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/730 "2009-10-02T15:42:05Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I agree that it’s bizarre either way. If you did have this power you think you’d save it. We had a perfectly cromulent leader already, and I don’t see why jpei thinks he’s a better leader. > > And again, we only have his word that this is town. It certainly doesn’t feel pro town to me. It’s needlessly stirring things up. If you had this power I think it would be better to discuss it with us before just springing it on us. > > Unvote Drainbead > > Vote Jpei (bleached) It’s not a useful Town move; in fact I think it’s pretty horrible. But I don’t see a strong case for **jpei** as Scum. The quoted PM itself is very convincing, the ability it describes has been proven (and expended) – so it’s a really GOOD cover claim, if it is one at all. I am also in the camp that finds the leader role itself leaning anti-Town in effect, and am therefore a bit resistant to the idea that Scum would have a role to make it even more so. Added together, I think he probably is exactly what he says he is. I seem to be among very few still left on the **Drain Bead** train, which is kind of interesting. She’s certainly been minding her p’s and q’s the last few days, but it is not erasing my initial impression. Whatever her alignment, she is talented, I’ll give her that. I’m feeling paralyzed here. I know what my preferred outcome for the day would be, but it doesn’t seem likely to happen, and the choices otherwise appear to boil down to: – lynch a claimed doc on Day one ( **peeker** ) – lynch a very likely (IMO) town, if at least a now-vanilla one ( **jpei** ) – go off and find someone else who looks suspicious, and hope to heck it doesn’t result in yet another power role claim Blechs all around. ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/731 "2009-10-02T15:45:46Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Looking at Drain Bead’s play since becoming vote leader, I think she is more likely to be town than a gambitting scum. If she was scum, I’d have expected her ‘lynch me’ request to pick up a bus vote or two. I haven’t agreed with all of her ideas, but I’d describe her play as pro-town. I have to say I agree with this, I never got any scum tells off her(?) earlier and her behaviour since seems pretty townie. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/732 "2009-10-02T15:47:28Z")
The PM could go either way. I feel like anyone who’s played a lot of mafia could conceivably imitate one. I’m not sure it’s all that hard. I just think that we’re probably going to lynch a townie on the first day. We might as well make it someone who’s acting suspect and anti town. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/733 "2009-10-02T15:52:35Z")
Yes, her. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/734 "2009-10-02T15:57:15Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > The PM could go either way. I feel like anyone who’s played a lot of mafia could conceivably imitate one. I’m not sure it’s all that hard. > > I just think that we’re probably going to lynch a townie on the first day. We might as well make it someone who’s acting suspect and anti town. Well, **jpei** hasn’t played a lot of mafia. Of course, given that the vanilla PM was basically spelled out in the opening post, it wouldn’t be difficult to simply replace a few words here and there, so I’d imagine a newbie could pull it off. My major issue with **jpei** is his massive extension of the Day, which I find to be incredibly scummy. It’s almost like he’s hoping that with a couple extra days of discussion, he and his scumbuddies can find another wagon to push and hope it forces a(nother?) power role to claim. It’s an incredibly anti-Town move. I’m not sure if it’s enough for me to vote for him, but I’m leaning that way. At worst, we nab a now-vanilla townie who has been playing anti-Town almost the entire game. At best, we get a scum who has blown his major power. The problem is, I’m not sure what we stand to learn from his lynch if he’s Town, and that’s why I’m reluctant to vote. I’ll think about it over lunch, read what’s been posted in my absence, take the time to examine the initial wagon on him, and then decide. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/735 "2009-10-02T16:02:20Z")
Also I could see him just pushing back the day until we don’t vote for him, or doing something very manipulative. I mean he has to know that people are freaking out. I just am wondering what the point of this play was. I suppose since he is a newbie, it could just be, “Oh cool, new power” or just a weird play b/c he hasn’t done it before, so it’s looking scummy. That’s happened. I’m reluctant to give someone a pass on “It’s my first day,” though. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/736 "2009-10-02T16:53:07Z")
Goodness. Well, I don’t know why **jpei** did that, either, but the obvious answer is self-preservation. It’s a pain in the ass, certainly, but if you’re a town **jpei** and you’ve only got a couple of hours left, and you’ve got that power, I guess maybe you fire it. I agree that there was a better way to handle that. On the other hand, maybe it _can_ save us a lynch of a townie. This requires that he actually be town, that we believe he’s town, and that we actually vote for a scum, though, which is asking a lot. I can also see the point of view that says that bad for town is bad for town, and lynching on that basis. I don’t know if it’s possible to have it turn out as a net positive. I think it’s important that we separate the aggravation of the extra time from whether or not it indicates scum, though. Also, if anybody’s looking for a case, do me a favor and take a look at **BillMC**. Low participation is one thing, but when the one mark on your record is showing up and casting that vote, for that reason… ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/737 "2009-10-02T16:56:39Z")
I see it is still day one and we do indeed have a new leader. I don’t see much reason to believe that jpei’s role is scum. I am going to take it at face value for the moment. I am not thrilled about day one going on forever, but think I can now find a better place for my vote. **Unvote: jpei** I really need to reread and ponder before I cast my new vote. None of the cases so far appear very convincing, but I guess that’s typical for day one, even a day one that is 15 pages and growing fast. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/738 "2009-10-02T17:09:41Z")
> [@jpei](#): > > My canned post: > > This day isn’t over yet, folks. > > My role PM is: > > [spoiler]Your role is: > > Head Miner (Town Governor) > > You are the most efficient and most leader-like of the miners–a rare combination. As such, you were founder of the local branch of the Miner’s Union (no affiliation with the warmongering unions elsewhere on the planet) and you quickly garnered much respect from the town. With this respect, you can easily establish yourself as town leader for the day…for a day. Even your commanding figure will come under fire if you attempt to sway the town more than once. There will be mutterings. Don’t do it. > > Summary: > > 1. At anytime during the Day, you can simply declare yourself to be town leader for the day, and it will be so. You cannot do this more than once.[/spoiler] > > I declare myself town leader for today. As I have not yet voted, the day won’t be ending quite yet. > > I am open for suggestions as to when this should really end. (I’m envisioning a Sunday afternoon vote to a Monday afternoon close at the moment.) You’ve got to be kidding me. Here I was, worried that I had made Day 1 too long when this happens. All of a sudden, your justification for not voting to elect a leader is nonsense. If you have the ability to overturn an election, then throwing a vote out for the wrong person is even less of a reason not to vote - you can always throw out the election process. Speaking of which, why did you use your power? Your _one time use only_ power? You claimed, and the mods verified your power, but not your alignment. So… do you think I am Scummy? And that by ending the Day now was part of some masterly Scum plan? If not, then this was, at best, the _worst use for this power_ imaginable. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > What a crock. > > **[color]unvote TexCat[/color]** > **[color]vote jpei[/color]** > > For the single most anti-Town thing anyone’s done all day. Glad I’m not the only one thinking this. > [@pedescribe](#): > > Congratulations! You’re the new leader right now. This has the consequence of stopping the countdown and allowing Allwalker to move his vote freely again. Good. **Unvote Chronos Vote jpei** Worst case scenario **jpei** is effectively a VT at this point, but this is just too antiTown for words. I am more confident in this case than anything else I have seen toDay. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/739 "2009-10-02T17:15:29Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > The PM could go either way. I feel like anyone who’s played a lot of mafia could conceivably imitate one. I’m not sure it’s all that hard. Looking at the flavour, the role fits with the power. I’m finding it hard to imagine a scum role that fits nearly as well (hypno-toad maybe?). It’s a point against Peeker’s claim as far as I’m concerned that he hasn’t provided any flavour. However, I still don’t think that lynching him today is a smart move. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/740 "2009-10-02T18:09:08Z")
I think people are leaping down **jpei** ’s throat a little too overeagerly. jpei extending the Day when he(?) knew he was going to get lynched forestalled a mislynch. Yeah, it’s annoying to have this day continue to go on, but it has to make sense in jpei’s eyes: at least we aren’t killing a townie, which would be the case if the Day ended as scheduled. I’m sure that some scum are leaping onto the **jpei** wagon, but I fail to see the reason why: we can’t realistically lynch the governor: all **jpei** has to do is not vote, and can forestall the end of this Day. Lashing out right now isn’t very productive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=38)