# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/981 "2009-10-07T20:08:48Z")
pure vote analyses of **TexCat** and **jpei** are likely to be pretty worthless, btw; Cat voted jpei and then switched to BillMC, and jpei just voted for BillMC. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/982 "2009-10-07T20:10:10Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **Tom Scud** :OK, apparently I’m missing something. What did Boozahol do that confirmed him? He guessed a previously-unrevealed element of **jpei’s** role, the part about having shiny berynium. And did so in an attempt to help save jpei, a known town, from a lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/983 "2009-10-07T20:11:12Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Also a small smudge of **Chronos** in **Jimmy’s** save-Drain-Bead post. He actually argued with **Chronos** about the **OAOW** vote multiple times during yesterDay’s events. That, along with the fact that he was the one who sort of put my wagon out of commission, were the two things I noticed. Not sure if it makes me look more Town or more Scum to you guys that he and I were so closely entwined during the day. We both voted **BillMC** at about the same time for the same reason too. Oh well. **Elect Boozy** , shiny stuff or not. And **Boozy** , if you don’t mind me asking, can you state your reasoning for why you’re going to be pushing a **peeker** lynch toDay? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/984 "2009-10-07T20:12:46Z")
NETA: **now** a known town, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/985 "2009-10-07T20:22:11Z")
Here’s a link (which I hope works) to my previous wall of words on **TexCat**. Only two things of note that stand out to me is an early suspicion of **peeker** and the “scumfight” theory. Which of course I don’t like, but what can you do. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > Items since I posted my WoW included a few WTF comments about **jpei** ’s coup, a review of the role-claims, and a vote for **BillMC**. Not much information to go on. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/986 "2009-10-07T20:25:18Z")
> [@](#): > > He guessed a previously-unrevealed element of jpei’s role, the part about having shiny berynium. And did so in an attempt to help save jpei, a known town, from a lynch. OK, I’ll grant that **Boozahol** has (or apparently, had) some berynium, but that doesn’t prove anything about his alignment. And trying to save **jpei** turns out to have been a pro-Town action, but there’s nothing that says that Scum never makes pro-Town actions. OK, it’s a check in his favor, but it’s far from proof. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/987 "2009-10-07T20:25:27Z")
NETA: Hm. Should have previewed. [here’s my previous wow](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617426&postcount=625) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/988 "2009-10-07T20:35:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > OK, I’ll grant that **Boozahol** has (or apparently, had) some berynium, but that doesn’t prove anything about his alignment. And trying to save **jpei** turns out to have been a pro-Town action, but there’s nothing that says that Scum never makes pro-Town actions. OK, it’s a check in his favor, but it’s far from proof. Fair enough. He’s still as close as we have now to confirmed Town. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/989 "2009-10-07T20:38:46Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Yes, it does. Sorry, had my “Mafia 101” hat on. You’re right of course. **jpei** looks much more likely to be the scum night-kill, if they only had one. I never did went to that class but I regularly attend Town 101 😃 I couldn’t imagine why anyone (I assumed scum but realise there may be a SK) would target TexCat when there were at least 3 other town-aligned role claims apart from **Jpei** ’s, each of which, I imagined, would be better targets. Maybe there’s a paranoid gun owner or bomb among us who was approached by TexCat in a recruiting ploy? (I learned those roles in today’s Town 101 lesson) I also think **Boozy** ’s most likely Town so **Elect Boozahol Squid, P.I.** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/990 "2009-10-07T20:42:04Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I couldn’t imagine why anyone (I assumed scum but realise there may be a SK) would target TexCat when there were at least 3 other town-aligned role claims apart from **Jpei** ’s, each of which, I imagined, would be better targets. Maybe there’s a paranoid gun owner or bomb among us who was approached by TexCat in a recruiting ploy? (I learned those roles in today’s Town 101 lesson) For that matter, **Jimmy** could have been knocked over by a paranoid whatever who he was trying to investigate. I think Diver’s probably right that speculating over who could have done the killing isn’t likely to be productive. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/991 "2009-10-07T20:44:04Z")
NETA: of course, there’s the WIFOM involved in the role-claims: is the (claimed) doc self-protecting, or protecting one of the two other claimed players? **jpei** , having used his power, would have been a safer target from that perspective, as would other Townies outside of the claimed three. (Even assuming all 3 were town). ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/992 "2009-10-07T20:53:19Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > For that matter, **Jimmy** could have been knocked over by a paranoid whatever who he was trying to investigate. I think Diver’s probably right that speculating over who could have done the killing isn’t likely to be productive. Or there is a redirector, or there’s multiple scum factions, or there’s a third party faction, or the Vig is compulsory and took out a lurker. Again this is not going to help us. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/993 "2009-10-07T20:58:32Z")
Still here day 2. This is most unusual for me… **Elect Boozahol** ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/994 "2009-10-07T22:06:08Z")
Not bad, we got a scum! Yay Town. I remain suspicious of **Boozahol.** All we really know is that both his and **jpei’s** PMs apparently made some reference to berynium and/or shininess. Someone speculated a while back that the berynium could relate to some scum power, PFK victory condition, or the like. For all we know, Boozy could be a PFK whose victory condition relates to killing berynium-bearers, and that was his motivation to keep **jpei** from being lynched before he could kill him. Not that I think that particular scenario is especially likely, but the point is that, although I will agree that jpei’s Town alignment counts as a\* small\* point in Boozy’s favor, I think he is very far from being confirmed Town, and, looking at his play as a whole, he’s still probably the player I’m most suspicious of. I might not be around before the next Leader is elected. Obviously I won’t vote for Boozy, so…let’s see, why not… **elect Tom Scud** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/995 "2009-10-07T22:26:47Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > OaOW was ineligible from the beginning. > > For the most part, there were no night actions Night 0. ok i am sure everyone caught this on the first go round but on the off chance not … since we now know for a fact that scum have some power other than just a kill power, i wonder if in fact this might color any observations about known Day one activities. Especially, in light of the scum investigator getting bagged. way to go idaho. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/996 "2009-10-07T22:31:39Z")
**mod question: i just want to make sure, but can we directly quote pms from the mods?** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/997 "2009-10-07T22:51:48Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > One immediate note is that Peeker looks a lot more Towny - **Jimmy** was pretty central in pushing the case against him early. Though it’s not **impossible** that it was a scumfight. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/998 "2009-10-07T22:57:11Z")
I don’t think Boozy is confirmed town, but he’s been acting in a strongly pro-Town manner in a lot of ways. For now, he’s a good bet. **Elect Boozahol Squid** I feel like speculating about the kills is not useful, especially in a closed game. However, since we do have a dead scum, we can get some good info (as I see people have begun collating). **Guiri** , why do you seem confident that **TexCat** is the scum kill? It’s interesting the **Gryff** has started the day with a lynch vote. What roles do we know of that can do that (the tiara seems like some kind of ‘tag’ which could imply a mad bomber type role, or could be something else – I’m totally unfamiliar with the colour – anyone have any ideas?). ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/999 "2009-10-07T23:12:12Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > I don’t think Boozy is confirmed town, but he’s been acting in a strongly pro-Town manner in a lot of ways. For now, he’s a good bet. I don’t think he’s confirmed town either, but he’s the closest we’ve got at the moment IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1000 "2009-10-07T23:13:40Z")
and btw i’ll go ahead and follow up with **elect squiddly** i like to know where my martini comes from. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=51)