# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1001 "2009-10-08T00:08:22Z")
About scumfights. I was scum in a game where we could Day-strategize, and one of the first things we did was set up a scumfight. The one that jumps out at me as a possibility, if a scumfight actually occurred, was the Jimmy-Chronos one. Jimmy was very careful to distance himself from Chronos without ever voting for him or attempting to start or continue a bandwagon. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1002 "2009-10-08T00:15:22Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > And **Boozy** , if you don’t mind me asking, can you state your reasoning for why you’re going to be pushing a **peeker** lynch toDay? The same reason I pushed for him yesterday. **JimmyChitwood** ’s scumitude notwithstanding (scum have been known to leap down each others throats just like the rest of us), I still don’t see any reason for **peeker** ’s Doc claim to be set so obviously up for a counterclaim. Except, of course, him being scum, and practically begging for a real Doc to out him. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1003 "2009-10-08T00:21:47Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > About scumfights. I was scum in a game where we could Day-strategize, and one of the first things we did was set up a scumfight. > > The one that jumps out at me as a possibility, if a scumfight actually occurred, was the Jimmy-Chronos one. Jimmy was very careful to distance himself from Chronos without ever voting for him or attempting to start or continue a bandwagon. and this is an excellent point. when scum can Day talk (one time for me) you can gauge how things are going and adjust your message accordingly. unlike the general “let’s go down this path” strategy that all scum teams engage in. then you get kind of pigeon holed into a real bad place if things go left. and this is a big unless: unless those suckers are real, and i mean real, ballsy. read **is** ’s lynch in ragnorak. **naf** and **mhaye** played it to perfection. that should have been a scum train wreck. as things panned out it gave every scum member a whole bunch of cred. just saying, is all … ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1004 "2009-10-08T00:35:01Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > The same reason I pushed for him yesterday. **JimmyChitwood** ’s scumitude notwithstanding (scum have been known to leap down each others throats just like the rest of us), I still don’t see any reason for **peeker** ’s Doc claim to be set so obviously up for a counterclaim. > Except, of course, him being scum, and practically begging for a real Doc to out him. To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles And by opposing end them. To die—to sleep, No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to: 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish’d. To die, to sleep; To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there’s the rub: For in that sleep of death what dreams may come, When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause—there’s the respect That makes calamity of so long life. For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, Th’oppressor’s wrong, the proud man’s contumely, The pangs of dispriz’d love, the law’s delay, The insolence of office, and the spurns That patient merit of th’unworthy takes, When he himself might his quietus make otie dotie ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1005 "2009-10-08T00:38:17Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > The same reason I pushed for him yesterday. **JimmyChitwood** ’s scumitude notwithstanding (scum have been known to leap down each others throats just like the rest of us), I still don’t see any reason for **peeker** ’s Doc claim to be set so obviously up for a counterclaim. > Except, of course, him being scum, and practically begging for a real Doc to out him. Okay. The timing of your post on the subject yesterDay made it seem as if you might have known something that the rest of us did not. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1006 "2009-10-08T00:47:19Z")
just a couple of questions: **boozy** do you consider a doc as beneficiatl to town? if so, if that doc is in danger of lynch should they claim? if they claim should they be lynched to prove their claim? if not, why would you accept it or reject it? if you reject, then what would be your next steps? if lynch, how the FUCK does that help town? or should a doc on the verge of lynch claim nilla? if not should they just keep yap shut and screw town? easy questions for our next leader. waiting on that martini. or are you tied down? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1007 "2009-10-08T00:51:14Z")
whoops, **boozy** was supposed to be **boozy** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1008 "2009-10-08T00:54:02Z")
In other business: the end of day. For the day not to end on a weekend, either Boozy (or whoever is leader) would have to vote immediately upon assuming office, setting up a Friday end-of-day, or else he needs to hold off until Sunday or later. I mentioned before that, though I hate the thought of another looong day, I still think starting the clock Monday for a Tuesday finish is best, because it gives us a full weekday before the end of day instead of ending it in the middle of the first weekday after the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1009 "2009-10-08T01:07:44Z")
that sucks **tom**. Days should end on thursDays. that gives Night action folks a weekday and another 24 to get them in. that means Days would start on a saturDay. that allows a slow build up until the following thursDay when it all comes down. monDays are the most manipulatible day ends of the cycle. tuesDays only marginally better. shit, my two cents. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1010 "2009-10-08T01:22:16Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **mod question: i just want to make sure, but can we directly quote pms from the mods?** No. But you can paraphrase. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1011 "2009-10-08T01:25:42Z")
Leader Vote Count: Peeker (1): Tom Skud Drain Bead (1): Oredigger Boozy Squid, FBI (7): Normal Faze, USCDiver, Drain Bead, GuiriEnEspana, OaOW, DaphneBlack, peeker Tom Skud (1): TF ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1012 "2009-10-08T01:47:08Z")
OK, caught up on my note-taking now. First off, **Tom** , why are you voting to elect **peeker** , when you think that **Boozahol** is most likely to be Town? I’m guessing it’s not because you think peeker’s playstyle is particularly well-suited for being leader. Second, I have some thoughts about **Gryff** , but I’d really like to hear anything he can tell us about his peculiar situation. Third, I obviously don’t like the idea of **Boozahol** being elected Leader right now, and I don’t think we have anyone really particularly confirmed right now, either. That leaves me again voting for someone with experience, and I don’t think we should re-elect anyone, so I’ll **Elect Oredigger**. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1013 "2009-10-08T02:12:01Z")
Leader Vote Count: Peeker (1): Tom Skud Drain Bead (1): Oredigger Boozy Squid, FBI (7): Normal Faze, USCDiver, Drain Bead, GuiriEnEspana, OaOW, DaphneBlack, peeker Tom Skud (1): TF Oredigger (1): Chronos [shameless advertising] Over at [Idle’s site](http://psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mini&action=display&thread=1129&page=1) there’s a mini in sign-up–we need three more, and you can be whoever you want.[/shameless advertising] ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1014 "2009-10-08T02:12:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > OK, caught up on my note-taking now. First off, **Tom** , why are you voting to elect **peeker** , when you think that **Boozahol** is most likely to be Town? I’m guessing it’s not because you think peeker’s playstyle is particularly well-suited for being leader. > > Second, I have some thoughts about **Gryff** , but I’d really like to hear anything he can tell us about his peculiar situation. > > Third, I obviously don’t like the idea of **Boozahol** being elected Leader right now, and I don’t think we have anyone really particularly confirmed right now, either. That leaves me again voting for someone with experience, and I don’t think we should re-elect anyone, so I’ll > > **[color=blue]Elect Oredigger[color]**. \ see i don’t have a problem with it. he has already said that he is coming out gunning for me toDay. i’d rather keep me enemies real damn close. as leader he can talk a bunch but his vote to start the count down as well as the tie break aspect i believe will be rather telling. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1015 "2009-10-08T03:17:43Z")
I think **boozy** is more likely to be Town than Scum at this point, and is smart enough that even if he is scum he will at least act proTown as leader. **Elect Boozahol** In other news, holy shit! We lost a recruiting Mason, which is a shame - Masons are what this game really needs. But a Scum Investigator! Pretty sweet. I’m thinking about this recruiting Mason role, though - could that have been the cause of death, I wonder? I’m trying to figure out what would happen if such a role were to try to recruit a Scum - have a Scum Mason? Probably not. Tell **TexCat** that sorry, that player can’t be recruited? Turns the role into a Mason Recruiter Cop. I am thinking that trying to recruit Scum results in death. Makes sense given the colour - “hey there handsome, now that we’re alone want to join my -” STAB! If that is true, then the Scum NK’d **jpei** which makes sense, killing a confirmed Townie. Which means either a Vig got lucky or a Serial Killer nabbed a Scum for us. If there are only 2 kills Night 2, I may just be right about this. ---
**Author:** ![tiltawhirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@tiltawhirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiltawhirl)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1016 "2009-10-08T03:18:17Z")
I am going to dissent from the view that we should elect confirmed Townies as Leader in the early going. Being Leader is a public role and we should take advantage of that by letting unconfirmed players reveal their townieness or lack thereof through their use of the Leader’s power. Based on that reasoning and because **Boozy** is pretty well confirmed as town, **Elect Tom Scud** for proposing a set policy on when the Leader should vote. If made Leader, it’d be interesting to see how he justifies his actions if he should fail to follow his own policy. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1017 "2009-10-08T03:23:33Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > waiting on that martini. or are you tied down? Yeesh, a squid’s only got ten arms, ya know. Gin, dry, shaken, I presume? It’s not that I’ve got some sort of fetish for lynching doctors, **peek**. I just can’t read your claim as anything other than a preventive announcement that there would be a counterclaim, and I can’t see why an actual Doc would do that. Now a scum playing Doc, that I could see. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1018 "2009-10-08T03:33:47Z")
Quoth **AllWalker** : > [@](#): > > I’m thinking about this recruiting Mason role, though - could that have been the cause of death, I wonder? I’m trying to figure out what would happen if such a role were to try to recruit a Scum - have a Scum Mason? Probably not. Tell TexCat that sorry, that player can’t be recruited? Turns the role into a Mason Recruiter Cop. I am thinking that trying to recruit Scum results in death. Makes sense given the colour - “hey there handsome, now that we’re alone want to join my -” STAB! Hmm, that could be. It seems to me, though, that if I had such a role, I might want to announce it and whom I’m targeting in advance, just in case something like this happened. Or at the very least, I’d target the people I was least suspicious of, for the first few Nights. Which might mean that whomever **TexCat** trusted most turned out to be Scum. Did she give any indication as to who that might be? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1019 "2009-10-08T03:41:36Z")
…And, to answer my own question, the only indication I can find of her trusting anyone in particular is [jpei](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11621570#post11621570), whom we now know was Town. So, never mind then. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1020 "2009-10-08T03:54:21Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > that sucks **tom**. > > Days should end on thursDays. that gives Night action folks a weekday and another 24 to get them in. that means Days would start on a saturDay. that allows a slow build up until the following thursDay when it all comes down. monDays are the most manipulatible day ends of the cycle. tuesDays only marginally better. > > shit, my two cents. My reasoning exactly, **peeker**. Given this morning’s revelations, **Drain Bead** , you feel like offering any reason why I shouldn’t just vote you again? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=52)