# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1121 "2009-10-09T14:45:25Z")
Then in that case, why make **peeker** ’s doctor claim so bizarre? They had time and opportunity to fake up a PM if they were so inclined. I just can’t see this as an organized, coherent effort, either way you want to spin it. I can’t account for why so many people are wholly dismissing the simplest and most explanatory interpretation – that **Jimmy** and **peeker** were not associated. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1122 "2009-10-09T15:10:33Z")
Hello all. I’ve received my PM, and will attempt to reread the thread (probably from page 17 or so) on Sunday afternoon. I’ll pay special attention to what **ColdPhoenix** said, and people’s reactions to him. My history – The two times I Died early, I was Town, and the Town won; in my other two games, I Survived to the endgame, and Scum won. I’m slightly inclined to accept **peeker** ’s Doc claim, pending an investigation and a decision to reveal the investigation. At the moment, I neither confirm nor deny the possession of any Game objects, berynium or otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1123 "2009-10-09T15:11:36Z")
@ **Guiri**. I guess I can see what you are driving at, but it seems like a pretty big stretch to interpret it that way. I think it’s pretty clear that I meant it was ‘great’ not because they were being scummy per se, but because the scummy action would expose them – I’m not sure what other reading would be possible there. @ **amrussell**. Yes, that does answer my question. Thanks. @ **Scuba**. Shalom and chag sameach! ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1124 "2009-10-09T15:24:18Z")
**Alive:** Tom Scud tiltawhirl Normal Phase Freudian Slit Boozahol Squid, PI Chronos USCDiver peekercpa Allwalker [del]ColdPhoenix[/del] Scuba\_Ben Drain Bead amrussell Daphne Gryph One and Only Thing Fish Alka Seltzer Oredigger77 [del]Nanook[/del] GuirienEspana CatInASuit **Dead:** BillMC - Vanilla Town [COLOR=“Red”]Jimmy Chitwood - Model 5 (Screamer Investigator). TexCat - Prostitute (Town Recruiting Mason) jpei - Head Miner (Town Governor)[/COLOR] Claims: peekercpa - Doctor Drain Bead - Vanilla Boozahol Squid, P.I. - Non Vanilla Town?? Gryff - General Store Owner Day 1 Leader: AllWalker -\> jpei (Town Power) Day 2 Leader: Boozahol Squid, P.I. Day 1 Final Vote jpei (1): Freudian Slit peekercpa(3): Gryph, Boozahol Squid, PI, Cold Phoenix Drain Bead (2): USCDriver, CatInASuit Bill MC(8): Jimmy Chitwood, Drain Bead, tiltawhirl, Alka Seltzer, Daphne Black, Allwalker, Texcat, jpei (Leader) Boozahol Squid, PI(3): Bill MC, Thing Fish, Chronos CatInASuit (2): amrussell, Tom Scud Cold Phoenix (2): Oredigger, Guiri Tom Scud(1): Peeker Chronos(1): Normal Phase Current State of play I believe. If I missed anything, speak up. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1125 "2009-10-09T15:25:39Z")
You missed OaOW’s sorta-claim. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1126 "2009-10-09T15:27:06Z")
And actually, I guess since he also did the “I am Spartacus” thing on day 1, he could be said to have claimed non-vanilla Town. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1127 "2009-10-09T15:38:20Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Sounds like a good setup for a godfather, that last bit does. Something to keep in mind, anyway. Just noticed this one. Evidence that there probably isn’t a godfather? Or just Jimmy trying to keep that townie cred rating maxed? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1128 "2009-10-09T15:56:09Z")
All right, here are the two questions that I find most compelling on either side of the “was **peeker** vs. **Jimmy** a scumfight?” question: > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Then in that case, why make **peeker** ’s doctor claim so bizarre? They had time and opportunity to fake up a PM if they were so inclined. I just can’t see this as an organized, coherent effort, either way you want to spin it. I can’t account for why so many people are wholly dismissing the simplest and most explanatory interpretation – that **Jimmy** and **peeker** were not associated. I have no answer to this one; it does seem like a pre-planned scum Doc claim would have been more straightforward. > [@CatInASuit](#): > > Would anyone like to comment on the following set of posts that occured in game. > > Boozahol Squid, P.I. > #839: **Peeker should protect himself tonight, if he’s a pro-town Doc. Similarly, any Vig out there should attack him** > > Jimmy > #875: Says the following: For what it’s worth,\*\* I don’t think it’s a good idea to try to give peeker a witch trial by vig. Whether or not the vig is successful doesn’t turn on whether or not he’s scum; it turns on whether or not he’s a doctor with the ability to self-protect.\*\* > > Jimmy’s next post following Squid’s call for peeker to be vigged is that it should not happen because peekercpa may not be able to defend himself. It has gone from saying he is a total liar to don’t attack him. > > Two possible options\*, knowing JC is scum: > > peekercpa is a doctor, but then why would JC not want a Vig to attack him? It wastes a night for the Vig when the Vig is not hitting a fellow scum and may even take a Doc out if he cannot self protect. Apart from confirming peekercpa as a Doctor to the Vig alone, because as we have seen he survived the Night. > > peekercpa is scum, then JC is protecting a fellow scum as he cannot protect from a Vig. > > \*all assuming a Vig exists. > > Anyone else have any comment on this because to me it looks like JC trying to cover for peekercpa. First of all, it was jpei in 822, resurrecting Drain Bead’s suggestion from way earlier in the thread, who suggested vigging peeker. But that’s a quibble. What this analysis misses is that there were 3 people who had already argued against vigging **peeker** (Alka at 856, me at 858, and Thing Fish at 861) on the grounds that it would suck to vig a non-self-protecting doc as part of a clever scheme to test his claim. So **Jimmy** could have figured the vig-peeker wagon wasn’t going anywhere, and decided to go “me too” and snuggle the three of us. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1129 "2009-10-09T15:59:10Z")
However, I still find **peeker’s** claim weird as hell, particularly the capital A part of it. I’m leaning towards thinking of him as a third party (which could also explain why he came out gunning for me as a third party, rather than scum, way back when). ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1130 "2009-10-09T16:00:48Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > **Thing Fish** , I’m not sure you answered my question exactly. Why does the willingness of three people to vote Boozy for leader have more relevance because we also voted lateish for BillMC? I just noticed it as an interesting fact, not as a huge scumtell or anything. The three people I quoted didn’t\* just\* vote \*\*Boozy \*\*for leader, they all made statements which struck me as greatly overstating the extent to which Boozy could be reasonably considered Towny. I didn’t review all the Boozy votes in detail, so I can’t say to what extent they might have stood out from the others in that regard; I just noticed that these three people happened to be making what I considered huge and potentially anti-Town leaps of faith, noticed that they also had voted for Townie **Bill,** and decided to throw it out there. It did inspire me to look a little closer at you, and notice the same things that **amrussell** noted above; time will tell if that was useful or not. [QUOTE=DaphneBlack;11645446 @ **Scuba**. Shalom and chag sameach![/QUOTE] Aleichem shalom! Also noted on vote review: The three people who voted for both confirmed Townies **jpei and BillMC** at some time: **Alka Seltzer, Daphne Black, and AllWalker.** Alka and Daphne also had votes on \*\*Drain Bead \*\*at some point. In other news, the fact that jpei’s body still had berynium on it seems to weigh heavily against the possibility of a scummy berynium-stealing mechanism. This would seem to constitute a point in favor of Boozy’s Towniness. Also, looking over \*\*Scummy Chitwood’s \*\*behavior vis-a-vis **peeker,** I must agree with those who have said that if this was scum strategy, it was \*very \*subtle! So both of my major suspects are looking a little better. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1131 "2009-10-09T16:06:34Z")
That reminds me: **[color=green]Mods, are Screamers made (in part) from berynium? That is, could someone “harvest” berynium from a destroyed Screamer?** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1132 "2009-10-09T16:07:36Z")
Oog. Let’s try that again. **Mods, are Screamers made (in part) from berynium? That is, could someone “harvest” berynium from a destroyed Screamer?** I’m wondering if a third-party could somehow be stealing berynium from both Town and Scum. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1133 "2009-10-09T16:24:59Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I just noticed it as an interesting fact, not as a huge scumtell or anything. The three people I quoted didn’t\* just\* vote \*\*Boozy \*\*for leader, they all made statements which struck me as greatly overstating the extent to which Boozy could be reasonably considered Towny. I didn’t review all the Boozy votes in detail, so I can’t say to what extent they might have stood out from the others in that regard; I just noticed that these three people happened to be making what I considered huge and potentially anti-Town leaps of faith, noticed that they also had voted for Townie **Bill,** and decided to throw it out there. It did inspire me to look a little closer at you, and notice the same things that **amrussell** noted above; time will tell if that was useful or not. OK, fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1134 "2009-10-09T17:00:43Z")
**Thing Fish, DaphneBlack** : Todah rabah, hag sameach, Shabbat shalom! All: I think there’s far too much effort being put into **peeker** ’s partial claim. He’s claimed Doc – fair enough, at some point we’ll be able to test him. In other matters, I’m wondering whether I should volunteer to test the doily. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1135 "2009-10-09T17:26:19Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > **Thing Fish, DaphneBlack** : Todah rabah, hag sameach, Shabbat shalom! > > All: I think there’s far too much effort being put into **peeker** ’s partial claim. He’s claimed Doc – fair enough, at some point we’ll be able to test him. > > In other matters, I’m wondering whether I should volunteer to test the doily. I was actually also thinking about volunteering to test it last night when I was AFK, just for shits and giggles. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1136 "2009-10-09T17:43:54Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I’m wondering whether I should volunteer to test the doily. /snip Shabbat shalom! I see you’re an experienced player, I hope your subbing is more fruitful than mine has been so far! I’m not sure if volunteering to receive a gift is a good idea. **Gryff** became ineligible for leader and gained a lynch vote when he tried on the tiara **Boozy** lost his stash of Berynium although we don’t know if that was before or after receiving his present Is it possible that the function of each present is intended for a single person otherwise it “backfires”? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1137 "2009-10-09T18:14:12Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Oog. Let’s try that again. > **Mods, 1. are Screamers made (in part) from berynium? 2. That is, could someone “harvest” berynium from a destroyed Screamer?** > . 1. No 2. A Screamer may not be melted down and have berynium harvested out of it, as they are not made of it. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1138 "2009-10-09T18:25:19Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > 1. No > > 2. A Screamer may not be melted down and have berynium harvested out of it, as they are not made of it. Ah well, so much for that theory. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1139 "2009-10-09T21:00:25Z")
Quoth **Thing Fish** : > [@](#): > > In other news, the fact that jpei’s body still had berynium on it seems to weigh heavily against the possibility of a scummy berynium-stealing mechanism. This would seem to constitute a point in favor of Boozy’s Towniness. Well, **Boozahol** claimed that his berynium was stolen, so if he’s telling the truth, then there’s _someone_ out there stealing it. And with recent discussion, it looks like we’re trying to decide whether to lynch **Jimmy**. OK, it’s great that a Scum is dead, but there’s a whole lot of iocane involved in trying to analyze what he said and did before he died. Almost anything he did could equally well be an attempt to gain direct advantage for Scum (saving a teammate, mislynching a townie, whatever) or an attempt to build Town cred (bussing a teammate, snuggling a townie, whatever). Is this really a profitable use of our time? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1140 "2009-10-09T21:22:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And with recent discussion, it looks like we’re trying to decide whether to lynch **Jimmy**. OK, it’s great that a Scum is dead, but there’s a whole lot of iocane involved in trying to analyze what he said and did before he died. Almost anything he did could equally well be an attempt to gain direct advantage for Scum (saving a teammate, mislynching a townie, whatever) or an attempt to build Town cred (bussing a teammate, snuggling a townie, whatever). Is this really a profitable use of our time? Yes. Thanks to **Normal’s** argument, and a lot of sifting, I’m now reasonably well-convinced that **peeker** is at the least not on the same scum team as **Jimmy**. I’m also a bit more convinced that your needling of **OaOW** was sound. If Jimmy was agin’ it, and willing to treat it as a Mark of Scumminess that others were for it, then I’m for it. So, **OneandOnlyWanderer** , what’s in that magic bag of yours? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=58)