# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1201 "2009-10-11T23:46:42Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > **Chronos** , did you miss the post where I **objectively documented** the fact that I’d already been thinking about berynium thieves on day 1, after **jpei’s** full role claim? but **tom** here’s the deal. 840 is equal parts thief and scum suppositions. other than that you are “out of ideas”. a 3rd party might want to steal it and/or kill someone to get it. you follow up **boozy** ’s revelation with a fairly well thought out 3rd party scenario. its pfk and a bomb or stealer and they want to be an add on winner. but it seems durn quick to come up with those after you are “out of ideas”. what the fuck happened to the scum wanting to make a bomb out of this shit? did it just evaportate? did you just stop thinking about it? was it a poor idea in the first place? are you a fracking cray computer where this stuff happens instantly? but the clincher is that this pfk has been stealing from \* …both Town and Scum…\* proposal. now for the life of me i can’t reconcile that one. we have one known theft of benadryl. **booz** might be town, he might be scum but i am going out on a limb here - HE IS NOT BOTH. what would lead you to come to that conclusion or supposition? especially in light of 840 where you come up with the idea that scum might be stealing it? but now not so much. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1202 "2009-10-11T23:48:30Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Oh and I’m now just going to assume that **peeker** is going to vote for me regardless, now that he’s up to case #5 or so against me. quit skimming. i already did. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1203 "2009-10-11T23:52:42Z")
In other news, I’m kind of frustrated myself in figuring out where to place my vote. I was hoping that kicking **Jimmy’s** posts from yesterday around would have knocked loose a voteable case, but the only things I strongly got out of it were cases why **Oredigger** and **peeker** are likely to be town, or possibly third-party. The most obvious case to build off of Jimmy’s actions yesterday would be a lynch of **Drain Bead** , since after all he helped head off a lynch wagon against her. But like **Alka Seltzer** , I give a lot of weight to her sussing out that Scum can day-talk. It got rid of a significant tactical advantage for scum, and she did it at a time when it looked like the worst of the pressure was off her. I’m a bit worried about **One And Only Wanderer** , if only because of the magic bag and the fact that **Jimmy** rather aggressively defended his keeping the magic bag closed. He’s been relatively quiet, but did join in on pressing **peeker** to at least claim a role title, which makes sense to me. I’ve gotten basically no read off of **Daphne** , which in itself makes me a touch suspicious. I’ll give her posts a read-through tomorrow some time and see if the case makes any sense to me. But for right now, I’m going to **vote Cat In A Suit** His pursuit of **peeker** by way of **Jimmy’s** comments seems to me out of proportion with the information offered by the actual posts. In particular his focus on the “you’re not helping my team” comment from #352. That, combined with the (admittedly only “day 1 good”) case from yesterday doesn’t give me any reason to move my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1204 "2009-10-11T23:53:42Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > quit skimming. i already did. I know that, mr. confirmation bias. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1205 "2009-10-11T23:56:32Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I know that, mr. confirmation bias. nanner nanner. i’m rubber, you’re glue. whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1206 "2009-10-11T23:56:59Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > but the clincher is that this pfk has been stealing from \* …both Town and Scum…\* proposal. now for the life of me i can’t reconcile that one. we have one known theft of benadryl. **booz** might be town, he might be scum but i am going out on a limb here - HE IS NOT BOTH. what would lead you to come to that conclusion or supposition? especially in light of 840 where you come up with the idea that scum might be stealing it? but now not so much. I made a poor assumption, based on the genre – I assumed that since (a) this berynium stuff is maaaagic that lets people travel through space and (b) Screamers are maaaagically smart and adaptable and etc robots that (c) they would be made in part from berynium. Thus my question to the mods. In addition, I figured that a third party would probably prey equally on town and scum. Because that’s the way third parties roll. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1207 "2009-10-11T23:57:36Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I know that, mr. confirmation bias. neta to add: five minutes to come up with that witty riposte. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1208 "2009-10-12T00:01:33Z")
Just to add to peeker’s bill of particulars, I’m apparently suspicious because I post too quickly. Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1209 "2009-10-12T00:11:05Z")
Vote Count: Gryff(1): Daphne(2): DrainBead, Gryff Tom Scud(2): peeker, Chronos Catinasuit(1): Tom Scud ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1210 "2009-10-12T00:15:23Z")
Thanks for the summaries, **Chronos**. I’ll wade through that as soon as I can. Which, unfortunately, might not be Today. After further thought, I volunteer to test the doily. Usual warnings, caveat recipient, etc. And as usual, I have no Scum read on anybody. So whoever I vote for, I apologize in advance for misvoting. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1211 "2009-10-12T00:30:36Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I made a poor assumption, based on the genre – I assumed that since (a) this berynium stuff is maaaagic that lets people travel through space and (b) Screamers are maaaagically smart and adaptable and etc robots that (c) they would be made in part from berynium. Thus my question to the mods. > > In addition, I figured that a third party would probably prey equally on town and scum. Because that’s the way third parties roll. i thought it was money if we are at all to believe **boozy** and **gryf**. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1212 "2009-10-12T00:48:58Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i thought it was money if we are at all to believe **boozy** and **gryf**. Well, but didn’t **jpei** , who is the only confirmed Townie who had the stuff, say that his role PM said it didn’t appear to be of any use, or something like that? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1213 "2009-10-12T01:12:48Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i thought it was money if we are at all to believe **boozy** and **gryf**. > [@Chronos](#): > > On to game business, I have no idea what to make of this berynium stuff, other than to note that apparently, in [the original film](http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/movie/decade/1990-1999/screamers/), it’s the stuff we’re all here mining, it’s what makes space travel possible, and the mining of it is extremely environmentally unfriendly. Now who’s skimming? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1214 "2009-10-12T01:52:07Z")
> [@Gryff](#): > > I think this has already been covered, but you have it right there. I gave it to Boozy because I thought he was town, not because I know he is town. > > Regarding the shiny stuff conversation, my shopkeeper colour indicates that it is used as currency, in that I was unsuccessful in making my fortune hence having items left. > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > True. Scum might be stealing the shiney, but if it was that important to them, they might have killed someone else in order to give them more time to steal it from jpei. It’s still quite possible that berynium thieving is a pro-Town activity. I haven’t ruled out that Gryff’s giving me an item and my cash money disappearing are related, either. > I’m guessing there are more than the shopkeeper role, jpei’s very limited governor role, and my role. I could be wrong. > [@peekercpa](#): > > i thought it was money if we are at all to believe **boozy** and **gryf**. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Now who’s skimming? uh, you? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1215 "2009-10-12T01:52:17Z")
B]Drain Bead,\*\* I find your opinions intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Between my earlier findings, your analysis and Daphne’s rather lackluster defense to same, I will throw out a **vote Daphne**. Not only was the bandwagon jumping unhelpful, but I found the explanations for the votes lacking even by Day One standards. I would like to suggest that **Boozy** vote tomorrow afternoon or evening, so that Day 3 can start on Thursday afternoon or evening and we will have all day Friday to get it rolling. If we wait longer, we will either have a Day starting on the weekend or another mega-Day, and I fear people would lose interest in the latter case. Brief review of\*\* Alka Seltzer’s\*\* voting record: was #3 on Drain Bead train (vs 4 for peeker), subsequently switched to jpei, giving him 3 votes to Drain’s 5 and peeker’s 4. Unvoted jpei after the Governor reveal and cast the 4th vote for BillMC, breaking the 4 way tie and putting Bill ahead to stay. Conclusion: Not very pro-Town, but (unlike Daphne) not obviously consistent with a desire to protect any of the four candidates. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1216 "2009-10-12T01:56:12Z")
Who am I supposedly protecting? Peeker? The guy whom I’ve been vocally saying I thought was probably telling the truth about his claim? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1217 "2009-10-12T03:26:02Z")
Vote Count: Gryff(1): Daphne(3): DrainBead, Gryff, TF Tom Scud(2): peeker, Chronos Catinasuit(1): Tom Scud ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1218 "2009-10-12T04:19:04Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I would like to suggest that **Boozy** vote tomorrow afternoon or evening, so that Day 3 can start on Thursday afternoon or evening and we will have all day Friday to get it rolling. If we wait longer, we will either have a Day starting on the weekend or another mega-Day, and I fear people would lose interest in the latter case. I’d rather not vote while there’s only about a third of people’s votes down, but I will if need be, or there are more votes in tomorrow near midnight. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1219 "2009-10-12T04:51:51Z")
Oh by the way, peeker, boozy, and OaOW; did any of you get a roleblock message overnight? I kind of assume if you had you’d have mentioned it, but it would be good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1220 "2009-10-12T06:20:47Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Oh by the way, peeker, boozy, and OaOW; did any of you get a roleblock message overnight? I kind of assume if you had you’d have mentioned it, but it would be good to know. I did not. I received a message that my berynium had been stolen, I had received an item, and nothing more. On this matter,however,I attempted an action which doesn’t seem to have functioned. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=62)