# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1281 "2009-10-12T21:21:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yes, in fact, I had overlooked that, but that’s still quite consistent with you being the thief. And there’s also your peculiar leader-vote that (to my mind, at least) you still haven’t really adequately explained, and (specifics later when I have more time), your play in the past couple of pages doesn’t look great, either. ORLY? Gonna dock my pay? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1282 "2009-10-12T21:23:15Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > If we can confirm a townie, we also have the option of letting that player direct Daphne’s drinking spree. All in all, an outed scum blocker is severly compromised. > > We really need FS to check in and confirm they were blocked. From Guiri’s post, it appears they are not under a post restriction due to a drunken stupor. \ no an outed scum blocker needs to die immediately. this is the most powerful role that scum can possess, imho. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1283 "2009-10-12T21:28:34Z")
The only reason a scum roleblocker would NOT have blocked **peeker** last night is if **peeker** is also scum. If **Daphne** is outed as scum, I think we’ve essentially found two for the price of one. Of course, if she’s not, that puts us in quite the bind, as it in no way confirms **peeker** , we’ve killed a town power that might have been useful at some point. The idea upthread about how the power, if pro-Town, should have been used to attempt to confirm me last Night, was a good one. **Daphne** , any reason why you chose not to block me, when you maintained suspicion of me all of Day 1 and could have potentially figured it out one way or another? It occurs to me that my time in this game is short. If **Daphne** dies and is scum, I don’t expect to survive the Night. If **Daphne** dies and is Town, I don’t expect to survive the following Day. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1284 "2009-10-12T21:28:50Z")
**Chronos** , I’ve explained why I blocked FS. It wasn’t down to logic, sorry. It was down to her weird post 209. I don’t play the same way you do, I’m afraid. Just because I made a move you consider illogical doesn’t mean I’m scum. peekercpa: the portion of my PM that answers your question runs like this (paraphrase!): During the night, you were able to look after Freudian Slit. Bad bad me, I made a boldish move on a gut feeling. I can’t win for losing here. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1285 "2009-10-12T21:30:27Z")
NETE: My third sentence should have read “Of course, if she’s not, that puts us in quite the bind, as it in no way confirms **peeker** , AND we’ve killed a town power that might have been useful at some point.” The sentence is tough to parse without that “and”. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1286 "2009-10-12T21:33:45Z")
Drain Bead, I was actually deciding between you and Freudian, and I went for her in the end because I thought there was more data with you in the thread and her post, whilst not enough for a vote, was enough for a probe. Clearly every single bloody thing I have done in this game is awful bad and stupid. I’m really frustrated and tempted to just give up at this point. The only reason I’m bothering to hang around at this point is in the hope that my lynch will out scum somehow. I think there’s a good chance it will, too bad I have fucked everything up so bad I won’t be able to help personally. I’m remembering why I always need a long break between games. I shouldn’t let this get to me the way it has. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1287 "2009-10-12T21:35:59Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > There’s still a pretty good chance you’ll end up lynched. And it means on the off chance you’re protecting someone else, that won’t be a problem either. thankfully that insanity has passed for the moment. and each day that i stay alive benefits town more and more. good point on the protecting. but that’s kind of fauxed as well. scum would have to bet that i wouldn’t self protect and then on top of that bet that i would get lucky enough to protect the target that they deem more valuable than a doc. and of course, i appreciate the fact that you at least give me the acknowledgement that i can protect. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1288 "2009-10-12T21:37:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Now, then, it looks like the current hot topic is yet another claim, from **DaphneBlack**. Quoth she:Because information is valuable to Town. If, for instance, you had learned that **Freudian Slit** is Town, that’d be valuable information for us to know, especially since she’s now starting to attract votes. Daphne should not reveal any role information at this point, but has no reason to withhold a player’s alignment if she knows it. > [@Chronos](#): > > How do you get a robot drunk? Who knows what alcohol does to a robot? > [@Chronos](#): > > Furthermore, for a genuine Town roleblocker/partial investigator, the logical Night 1 target would be someone who’s claimed vanilla, like **Drain Bead**. That way, if she’s telling the truth, there’s no harm done, and you might be able to confirm her, while if she’s lying, the result is you’ve blocked someone who needed blocking, a win-win. I find it suspicious that you didn’t do so. That’s a good point, but it’s a stretch to say that makes Daphne scummy. Since when did townies always make the best decisions? I’m not sure it would have occurred to me, I’d probably have gone for a player I was finding scummy. **@Chronos** - Does Daphne’s claimed block of FS make more sense to you if Daphe is town or scum? > [@peekercpa](#): > > but then wouldn’t i be dead? > > block and kill. > > i mean what would be the point of blocking me if you weren’t going to kill me? Yeah, well that’s a reason I’m thinking you are more likely to be scum than a real doc. > [@peekercpa](#): > > no an outed scum blocker needs to die immediately. this is the most powerful role that scum can possess, imho. **@All.** - Has anyone ever seen a game with an outed scum blocker? I’ve seen them make other claims to avoid being lynched. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1289 "2009-10-12T21:50:06Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Hey Boozy, as I understood it you were planning on voting Tuesday (for a Wednesday finish). Is that still your plan? That is. Again, I’ll haven’t really done more than scan over this thread so far today, so I’ll get back on and see if there’s more support for me voting tonight, and whether there’s been a critical mass of votes. If both of those things are true, I’ll vote tonight, otherwise, I’ll vote tomorrow night. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1290 "2009-10-12T22:16:48Z")
> [@](#): > > @Chronos - Does Daphne’s claimed block of FS make more sense to you if Daphe is town or scum? As I said, **Drain Bead** was the logical choice for a Town roleblocker. For a Scum roleblocker, I can think of several possibilities: They might have targeted **peeker** , for instance, if he isn’t Scum, to prevent him from stopping the kill. They might have targeted **Boozahol** or **wanderers** , again if they’re nott Scum, gambling on whether their unknown powers are worth more or less than a Doctor. They might have picked up on **Freudian** ’s concern about a role-blocker, and figured she might be a power role. **Jimmy** might have been allowed to make an investigation on Night 0 (remember, the mods said that _mostly_ nothing happened Night 0), and discovered that **Freudian** was a power role. They might have chosen their block target at random, in case a watcher-type role was watching the person they targeted. They might have targeted someone else entirely, and then lied about who they targeted in the hopes of being less conspicuous. To sum up, I don’t see good Town play that leads to **Daphne** targeting **Freudian** , but (depending on a lot of things we don’t know) I can maybe see a few possible good Scum plays that lead to her targeting her (or at least, saying she’s doing so). ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1291 "2009-10-12T22:24:46Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > The only reason a scum roleblocker would NOT have blocked **peeker** last night is if **peeker** is also scum. If **Daphne** is outed as scum, I think we’ve essentially found two for the price of one. Of course, if she’s not, that puts us in quite the bind, as it in no way confirms **peeker** , we’ve killed a town power that might have been useful at some point. The idea upthread about how the power, if pro-Town, should have been used to attempt to confirm me last Night, was a good one. **Daphne** , any reason why you chose not to block me, when you maintained suspicion of me all of Day 1 and could have potentially figured it out one way or another? > > It occurs to me that my time in this game is short. If **Daphne** dies and is scum, I don’t expect to survive the Night. If **Daphne** dies and is Town, I don’t expect to survive the following Day. 😉 otie dotie. why would scum block me and not kill me? that kind of makes, no sense. unless they knew something about a potential protect that they absolutely needed/wanted dead. remember potential Night 0 actions and revealed deaths. but to you it matters not. that is totally odd. **unvote** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1292 "2009-10-12T22:38:07Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > I mentioned the passage about JC’s team once in the original WoW. After that I was concentrating more on JC’s change of heart about peekercpa later on. Nice of you to get it wrong. You really look as though you are grasping around for a vote and it looks scummy. > > Time for a post weekend re-read. Well, thing is, the bit about Jimmy’s change of heart ALSO doesn’t really hold up to scrutiny - there were no less than 4 other players before Jimmy’s message who counseled against a trial-by-vig. By the time Jimmy spoke up there was basically no chance a vig who wasn’t in love with the idea was likely to do it. In general, your WoW on Jimmy still looks to me more like someone trying to get the facts to point in a particular direction and less like someone following the facts where they pointed. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1293 "2009-10-12T22:39:38Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > There’s still a pretty good chance you’ll end up lynched. And it means on the off chance you’re protecting someone else, that won’t be a problem either. > [@peekercpa](#): > > thankfully that insanity has passed for the moment. But that wouldn’t have been at all clear last night. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1294 "2009-10-12T22:43:56Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Because the presence or absence of a scum roleblocker would be interesting for Town to know about; and scum would probably have roleblocked the claimed doctor, assuming he isn’t scum, or else whichever of the other claimed power roles happened to be town. > > And yes, I see the double meaning to the question. this. tg. but why? what is the motivation? seriously, you are smart. quit pontificating and make a statement with no conditionals, fcs. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1295 "2009-10-12T22:45:36Z")
and a four mintue cross post. that cracks me up. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1296 "2009-10-12T22:46:37Z")
Incidentally, when I said “no less than four” in my reply to Cat above, I meant the three i mention in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11645693&postcount=1130) plus [this Normal Phase post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11628024&postcount=838) which I missed on my first pass through. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1297 "2009-10-12T22:49:37Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > this. > > tg. > > but why? what is the motivation? Well, because if there is a scum roleblocker, and they didn’t block you, I really have to wonder why they’d do that. It would definitely make me more suspicious. (I can see why they would block and not kill, because they were hoping to set up a lynch today, and maybe they’d get lucky and have a vig do their work for them. Risky, but there you go.) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1298 "2009-10-12T22:58:10Z")
multi point analysis. i like data points. some folks like just a couple and i like a lot. **chronos** could help me on the math but a scatter diagram with a ton of stuff, even if random, is easier to plot and be confident with than just a few that are linear. * * * You smoked a squag and began to leave your place of residence to ++++++ over ???, but your door was blocked somehow. paraphrased liberally and from **pede**. i think the fracking scum got a read on **texcat** and wanted his ass dead, no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1299 "2009-10-12T23:01:27Z")
oh, and for the subtlety challenged. yep, i was blocked last Night. and that makes no fucking sense. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1300 "2009-10-12T23:09:57Z")
my first pm to pede when i got my role. Main thread probably not the best for this fucking question. Night fucking 0. Night actions fucking y/n? Also, should we be copying fucking maha on any of this stuff? Thanks for the fucking game, pede. pedes response You can’t fucking do stuff Night 0. And cross PMing would be a fucking good idea. my next question silly fucking question. can i watch over myself? \ pedes response Yeah, you fucking can, if you fucking want to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=66)