# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1301 "2009-10-12T23:40:49Z")
I need a **peeker** to English translator on a few of those posts. I think I get your main claims and speculations, but he peripheral issues are a little shaky. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1302 "2009-10-12T23:50:49Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > otie dotie. > > why would scum block me and not kill me? that kind of makes, no sense. unless they knew something about a potential protect that they absolutely needed/wanted dead. remember potential Night 0 actions and revealed deaths. > > but to you it matters not. > > that is totally odd. That’s what I was saying. A scum roleblocker would have blocked you (and then killed you, which I left unspoken) unless they had sufficient reason to not believe your claim, and the only way they would not believe your claim was if you were Scum. I guess a brave Scum team might have decided to keep you alive to see if we’d do the killing for you, especially knowing they could take you out the next Night if their Roleblocker lived through the following Day, but I’m not sure if that’s a risk worth taking as scum–the safe play would be to take you out. But now as I’m reading the rest of the thread before posting, I see that you said you were blocked. This means that either **Daphne** is telling the truth and we have a Town and Scum blocker, and the Scum blocked you but didn’t kill you (hoping that if you were blocking **jpei** their kill could get through, and if you were self-blocking that the Vig may take you out anyway), and she blocked **Freudian**. Or **Daphne** is lying, she is Scum and may have blocked a Townie you and said she was blocking the person who hasn’t posted in the thread all day and will probably be unable to confirm whether or not she was blocked. Or a Scum **Daphne** really did block **Freudian** because she knows you’re Scum and you are now saying you were blocked in order to try to save your Scummy ass once **Daphne** bites it and is revealed. The explanation of what happened if **Daphne** is Town is starting to be much more complicated than the alternatives. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1303 "2009-10-12T23:55:23Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i think the fracking scum got a read on **texcat** and wanted his ass dead, no matter what. This, I think, deserves its own point. You are the first to suggest that the Scum are responsible for **Texcat** ’s death. It seems up until this point to have been the unanimous opinion that the Scum killed **jpei** , leaving **Jimmy** and **texcat** up to a potential Vig and SK, or perhaps a **texcat** attempted recruit of a robot that ended up in his death. But the one consistent concept from the Night actions is that Scum took out the one confirmed Town. What makes you think that the Scum killed **texcat** , of all people? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1304 "2009-10-12T23:58:51Z")
Well, **peeker** ’s remark complicates things. So we either have: a) Town and Scum roleblockers b) **Daphne** is lying c) **peeker** is lying (a) is pretty intense. We would need a _lot_ of power roles on both sides of the Town/Scum fence for this to happen. In fact, I would hazard a guess and say that VTs would be rare under such a setup and that anyone claiming VT should be placed under extra scruitiny. Supposing **Daphne** is really a Scum roleblocker and targeted **peeker** , then lying and saying she targeted **FS** would be foolish, in case she could counter that… unless she somehow knew FS wouldn’t be able to, but it’s hard to say whether she is under a post restriction. The mods seem to be saying no on the post restriction… A related possibility is that **FS** and **Daphne** are both Scum, Daphne blocked peeker but pretended to block FS, and FS would play along. Were she here. This, IMO, seems the most likely. Scum blocking **peeker** makes sense if they thought they could score a free Doc kill if a Vig should test him. A Town Roleblocker may consider blocking peeks if they thought he was lying, but that would be a stupid play - risking a Doc-block, esp one who might have been Vig targeted, is the height of stupidity. * * * In other news, In [**CiaS** ’s wow on **FS**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11654254&postcount=1245) he makes the point that he thinks it’s weird that FS says the Town roleblocker should not act. I disagree, for the same reason that people prefer the voluntary Vig not to act - at the start, you are more likely to hit Town than Scum. Having said that, the [frequency](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11593293&postcount=195) of [fishing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11593898&postcount=209) and discussing about [roleblockers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11594702&postcount=221) is kind of… odd. Suspiciously so. And now that lurker status has reached epic levels, **Vote FS** In the meantime, some questions for myself and others to consider: \*how does the roleblock thing make sense following **peeker** ’s comment? \*even if **Daphne** is telling the truth, shall we suffer a Town roleblocker to live? A straight, compulsory roleblocker I would gladly lynch, but does this mysterious investigative ability offset that damage? \*Where did I leave my keys? Oh wait, here they are. I will think about the Daphne issue some more, see if I change my mind about who to vote for. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1305 "2009-10-13T00:00:35Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > That’s what I was saying. A scum roleblocker would have blocked you (and then killed you, which I left unspoken) unless they had sufficient reason to not believe your claim, and the only way they would not believe your claim was if you were Scum. I guess a brave Scum team might have decided to keep you alive to see if we’d do the killing for you, especially knowing they could take you out the next Night if their Roleblocker lived through the following Day, but I’m not sure if that’s a risk worth taking as scum–the safe play would be to take you out. > > But now as I’m reading the rest of the thread before posting, I see that you said you were blocked. This means that either **Daphne** is telling the truth and we have a Town and Scum blocker, and the Scum blocked you but didn’t kill you (hoping that if you were blocking **jpei** their kill could get through, and if you were self-blocking that the Vig may take you out anyway), and she blocked **Freudian**. Or **Daphne** is lying, she is Scum and may have blocked a Townie you and said she was blocking the person who hasn’t posted in the thread all day and will probably be unable to confirm whether or not she was blocked. Or a Scum **Daphne** really did block **Freudian** because she knows you’re Scum and you are now saying you were blocked in order to try to save your Scummy ass once **Daphne** bites it and is revealed. > > The explanation of what happened if **Daphne** is Town is starting to be much more complicated than the alternatives. actually, i think they blocked me so that the could kill **texcat**. and i think **jimmy** got lucky as all hell on a Night 0 scum invest and identified him as the most pro town power available. but i agree they probably thought that they could get town to do their dirty work for them with a lynch. now having said that i also believe that town has a cop. i also believe that he’s or she’s got two in the bag. and now they are fucked. they can take me out or leave a cop rolling around accumulating more data. or shoot in the dark and hope. and hope that they get it right and hope that my read is wrong if they decide that i don’t self protect. whoops, bad bongos for the bad guys. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1306 "2009-10-13T00:08:57Z")
why the fuck would want **jpei** dead. he’s a governor that spent his wad. he’s got a soft mason claim going on with **booz** that **booz** is encouraging. no way in hell do scum want his ass dead. i am going out on a limb again - SCUM DID NOT KILL **JIMMY**. and because **jpei** is know town to them and because of the ridiculous notion that he and **booz** have some sort of mini mason going on they killed the person that their investigator found to be the most threat to them - **texcat** a fracking recruiting mason of all things. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1307 "2009-10-13T00:14:21Z")
So if Scum killed **TexCat** , who killed the confirmed Town? A Vig? Not likely. That leaves a possible 3rd party SK - why would they kill a confirmed Town? On Night 1? Someone who is more likely than the average player to be either protected by Doc or targeted by Scum - either way, throwing a kill away. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1308 "2009-10-13T00:19:47Z")
Also, you’re assuming Scum could investigate during Night 0. Makes more sense what everyone else is thinking - Scum killed a confirmed Town, **JC** was Vigged or SKed, and **TexCat** was either Vigged, SKed or some complication resulting from failed recruitment. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1309 "2009-10-13T00:26:45Z")
oh jesu christo. an sk (i assume we have one because of three deaths) wants to eliminate any type of confirmation. sheeps, an sk has to get rid of them otherwise at end game they end up in a small pool of unconfimreds and have to die with the rest of the good townies and bad boys. sheesh, its pretty durn simple. so yep, **jpei** would be 3rd party toast. c’mon think about it - that’s the safest kill out there. peanut butter on a banana stick. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1310 "2009-10-13T00:29:10Z")
Vote Count: Gryff(1): Boozoahol(2): AlkaSelzter, Thing Fish Daphne(4): DrainBead, Gryff, Oneandonly, Chronos Catinasuit(1): Tom Scud Freudian Slit(3): ScubaBen, Guiri, AllWalker Normalphase(1): Daphne ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1311 "2009-10-13T00:29:31Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > actually, i think they blocked me so that the could kill **texcat**. Why would they have to block you in order to kill **texcat**? That makes no sense whatsoever, because there’s no way in hell _anyone_ would have assumed that you were protecting **texcat** , given all the other targets you could have been protecting. Of all the things you’ve said in this game, this baffles me the most. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1312 "2009-10-13T00:36:46Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > OaOW was ineligible from the beginning. > > For the most part, there were no night actions Night 0. > [@AllWalker](#): > > Also, you’re assuming Scum could investigate during Night 0. > > Makes more sense what everyone else is thinking - Scum killed a confirmed Town, **JC** was Vigged or SKed, and **TexCat** was either Vigged, SKed or some complication resulting from failed recruitment. uh, no. see above. i know that when i pm’d **pede** he was pretty clear that i, me, moi “you” couldn’t do stuff Night 0. well it doesn’t take a brain surgeon or rocket scientist to figure out that some Night actions would occur. just not kills, since what the fuck about being a doc with no chance to play that card. so blocks maybe and invests probably. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1313 "2009-10-13T00:37:48Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Why would they have to block you in order to kill **texcat**? That makes no sense whatsoever, because there’s no way in hell _anyone_ would have assumed that you were protecting **texcat** , given all the other targets you could have been protecting. > > Of all the things you’ve said in this game, this baffles me the most. because they didn’t want to take any chance. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1314 "2009-10-13T00:43:08Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > because they didn’t want to take any chance. That’s ridiculous to the point of absurdity. There is no way you as Town doctor would have protected **texcat** last night. I am completely comfortable with where my vote is now, because you seem to be grasping at straws to try to keep yourself alive at this point, and once **Daphne** comes up Scum, you’re next. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1315 "2009-10-13T00:44:14Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Why would they have to block you in order to kill **texcat**? That makes no sense whatsoever, because there’s no way in hell _anyone_ would have assumed that you were protecting **texcat** , given all the other targets you could have been protecting. > > Of all the things you’ve said in this game, this baffles me the most. > [@peekercpa](#): > > because they didn’t want to take any chance. Alternately, because they hoped that the vig would decide to “test” him. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1316 "2009-10-13T00:51:49Z")
NETA: This is seriously not making sense to me. One would think that Day-strategizing Scum would not say something as insane as “Scum blocked me but didn’t kill me because they were hoping to nab **texcat** , who they thought I was protecting for some insane reason,” especially when at least one other good reason for why Scum would block a Townie Doc **peeker** but not kill him has been articulated in this thread before **peeker** started going off the rails with this **texcat** stuff. Can anyone else help me get this? Because right now I’m feeling like this is so silly that I _have_ to be missing something crucial. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1317 "2009-10-13T00:54:54Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Also, you’re assuming Scum could investigate during Night 0. > > Makes more sense what everyone else is thinking - Scum killed a confirmed Town, **JC** was Vigged or SKed, and **TexCat** was either Vigged, SKed or some complication resulting from failed recruitment. Or **Jimmy** investigated the wrong power role and got himself killed that way. Or, well, many things. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1318 "2009-10-13T00:58:42Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > NETA: This is seriously not making sense to me. One would think that Day-strategizing Scum would not say something as insane as “Scum blocked me but didn’t kill me because they were hoping to nab **texcat** , who they thought I was protecting for some insane reason,” especially when at least one other good reason for why Scum would block a Townie Doc **peeker** but not kill him has been articulated in this thread before **peeker** started going off the rails with this **texcat** stuff. > > Can anyone else help me get this? Because right now I’m feeling like this is so silly that I _have_ to be missing something crucial. I’m also finding his analysis weird as hell. (And I still find his day 1 “A” claim weird as hell.) But it’s still possible **peeker** is a Town Doctor who was blocked but not killed. I think the more parsimonious explanation is that scum were hoping for (a) a vig kill or (b) to set **peeker** up for the lynch (after all, they had **Boozy’s** promise (assuming **Boozy** isn’t scum) to go after **peeker** today, and **Jimmy** had several of us eating out of the palm of his hand). ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1319 "2009-10-13T00:59:50Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Alternately, because they hoped that the vig would decide to “test” him. See, THAT as reasoning for blocking **peeker** I can understand, and I think I mentioned as much earlier in the thread. Risky move for Scum, but I can totally get it– **peeker** had been garnering suspicion, already had one person saying he was going to be gunning for him toDay, and tends to have a playstyle that rubs many the wrong way. Plus, they had no clue they were going to be down a member in the morning. Makes sense that they might try to block **peeker** but not then try to kill him. What does _not_ make sense is **peeker** ’s insistence that the reason the Scum blocked him and didn’t kill him was not because of this, or because they wanted to make certain they got **jpei** , but instead because they wanted to make certain they got _ **texcat** _. It would have been an _unbelievably_ anti-Town move of **peeker** to protect **texcat** last Night, so I sincerely doubt that Scum would have been worried about it enough to block **peeker** for that reason, and I can’t see any reason right now why **peeker** is so insistent that this must be the case. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1320 "2009-10-13T01:01:08Z")
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