# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1441 "2009-10-14T17:32:00Z")
I’m finding it very difficult to separate my opinion of **Daphne Black** from my opinion of **Drain Bead** , but will give it my best shot. Piggybacking on **Guiri** ’s [post 1192](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1192), the case against her appears to boil down to bandwagoning, plus unvoting **Drain Bead** while maintaining suspicion against her for one issue, which she ultimately drops. The latter point is consistent with Scum behavior, I think (so is the former, but it’s too common among Town to build a case on in itself) – assuming for the moment that **Drain Bead** is Town, a Scum **Daphne** might not want to be caught among those still left on **DB** ’s bandwagon once it started to unravel; yet she wouldn’t want to be perceived as flip-flopping for no reason, either. All right, I’m with the argument that far. Where it falls apart for me is that that sort of play is also consistent with her being a very cautious power-role, and that fits with what she has since claimed and how she has handled the issues related to her claim. I find the case against **Thing Fish** to be considerably stronger. From **amrussell’s** [post 1363](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11658416&postcount=1363), the inconsistency in the two posts highlighted is stark, and certainly leaves the impression that **Thing Fish** was not sincere in his respective takes on the **Drain Bead** bandwagon. It reads as the actions of someone whose opinions are shifting according to the needs of the moment, and that profile fits Scum (or heck, even 3rd party) much better than Town, power role or not. **unvote** **vote: Thing Fish** ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1442 "2009-10-14T17:34:03Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I’m up in the air between Daphne and Thing Fish. Daphne has claimed a testable power. I would prefer to have heard something from FS, but can’t really see that a Daphne lynch is the best thing for today **unvote Daphne** ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1443 "2009-10-14T17:50:21Z")
I’ll take OaOW’s comment to heart. In case I don’t get caught up tonight (just like every night since I subbed in): **Vote Thing Fish** and hope for a decent result. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1444 "2009-10-14T17:52:14Z")
Quoth **Guiri** : > [@](#): > > If we were to take all claims as plausible for the moment, we shouldn’t be voting for any of these 7: > … > Drain - Town Vanilla > … I don’t think we ought to put any particular weight at all, one way or the other, on vanilla claims: Vanilla is the most common real role (except in really weird setups like the recent gasterd game), and it’s also the easiest role to false-claim, so a vanilla claim could just as plausibly be true or false. That said, a point in **Drain Bead** ’s favor, that I don’t think anyone has mentioned yet: She was the first to cast a vote toDay, after several days of nobody voting. Really, we should all of us be ashamed at letting the votes go quiet for that long, but I think a Scum would probably not want to break the silence any earlier than needed. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1445 "2009-10-14T18:09:26Z")
Vote Count: Gryff(1): Boozoahol(1): Peeker Daphne(4): Gryff, Chronos, Drain Bead, Tiltawhirl Freudian Slit(2): AllWalker, Thing Fish Thing Fish(7): amrussell, TomScud, Boozy Squid, Guiri, CiaS, Normal Phase, Scuba Ben ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1446 "2009-10-14T19:02:28Z")
[special request] May I ask anyone who intends to claim, wear a rubber body suit, do a party trick or give a good reason why we shouldn’t vote them (especially \*\*Thing Fish \*\*) to do so before 6pm EST. Some of us are based outside the US and won’t be around till 5:35am. I really don’t want to be held responsible for a mislynch or considered scum for not moving my vote just because I’ll be in bed and won’t see the final hours of this Day. Whoever is the next leader, please don’t vote at midnight EST, please! [/Special Request] ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1447 "2009-10-14T19:20:57Z")
Am I missing a **Thing Fish** claim or defense? Time’s getting short. One would think that the Scum would have cooked something up for him to say by now. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1448 "2009-10-14T19:28:03Z")
Yeah, I’m not too pleased with the time of the vote either. I’m well in bed a couple hours before then, what with the baby who wakes up between 5:00 and 5:30 most mornings. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1449 "2009-10-14T19:32:12Z")
[Fluff] > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Yeah, I’m not too pleased with the time of the vote either. I’m well in bed a couple hours before then, what with the baby who wakes up between 5:00 and 5:30 most mornings. I’ve got double that pleasure, 9 m.o. twin girls 😃 [/Fluff] ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1450 "2009-10-14T19:32:26Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Yeah, I’m not too pleased with the time of the vote either. I’m well in bed a couple hours before then, what with the baby who wakes up between 5:00 and 5:30 most mornings. Sorry about that. Late at night or mid-morning are the two best times for me to catch up and toss votes down. Happily, it looks like we’ve got some other just-as-confirmed-as-me folks, hopefully most of whom will be alive tomorrow, to take the Leader job. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1451 "2009-10-14T19:51:31Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Am I missing a **Thing Fish** claim or defense? Time’s getting short. One would think that the Scum would have cooked something up for him to say by now. Yeah, one would, wouldn’t one? Unfortunately I am town. Nice smudge. I am REALLY pissed off right now because I haven’t had time to respond to the case against me, the computer just ate my last post, and now apparently I have some news for everyone: We have a Politician in the game! And my vote has been bought. I hope I got something good for it. Accordingly, **unvote Freudian Slit** **vote Thing Fish** Having said that, I do apologize for the following. I really wish I had had time to rebut \*\*amrussel’s \*\*bullshit line by line, both for the sake of my own satisfaction and to avert my mislynch without claiming. I can try to do that later if it seems relevant. If I do get lynched, maybe someone else can go back and read his post a little more critically than the people jumping on the bandwagon seem to have bothered to do. However, I am about three minutes from the end of the only time period during which I can count on being online today, sooo… **I’m a Doctor. Please unvote me. Kthxbye.** My role has a minor variation from the traditional Doc role, which I don’t think it would be pro-Town to reveal at this time. PS No, my PM contains no indication one way or the other of whether there are other Doc-like roles in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1452 "2009-10-14T19:55:46Z")
At the very least, who did you protect last night? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1453 "2009-10-14T20:02:07Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Yeah, one would, wouldn’t one? Unfortunately I am town. Nice smudge. Sorry, I didn’t mean that as a smudge, I actually thought it was a bit of a point in your favor. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1454 "2009-10-14T20:11:42Z")
I do appreciate this game is very difficult to keep up with (it should be more manageable in a Day or two), but: FS is being incredibly anti-town by not participating, it’s really screwing us over as it’s preventing us from resolving part of Daphne’s claim. That adds more noise to the game, making it even more difficult to keep up with. She’s made dozens of posts in other threads in the last few days. I don’t want to lynch her toDay, as that will lose us some crucial info. If she doesn’t get back into the game very soon we’ll have no choice but to lynch her. USCDiver and OreDigger haven’t been active on the boards for several days. Tiltawhirl promised a content post yesterday, but hasn’t delivered yet. **@Daphne** – Please block Drain Bead tonight. > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > If I wasn’t allowed to change my vote, I’d totally vote then unvote you for being a dirty rotten sneak-thief IRS agent, Alka. 😃 \*(if you drive a car, car; ) - I’ll tax the street; (if you try to sit, sit; ) - I’ll tax your seat; (if you get too cold, cold; ) - I’ll tax the heat; (if you take a walk, walk; ) - I’ll tax your feet. Taxman! \* Just seen Thing Fish’s claim on preview. **Mods: Has Thing Fish’s vote been bought?** Pending a reply to this, I’m going to: **Vote Peeker** I haven’t had time to review the case against Thing Fish properly. I think two doctors is extreamly unlikely. Of the two, I’d prefer to lynch Peeker. His theory about him being blocked to ensure the kill of TexCat makes not an ounce of sense, and his vote on Boozahol can’t be justified. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1455 "2009-10-14T20:18:21Z")
I also doubt that we have two Doctors. I’ll have to review the cases against both, but for now, I’ll **Unvote Daphne** When next I get back to the thread, I’ll vote for either **peeker** or **Thing Fish**. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1456 "2009-10-14T20:28:19Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > At the very least, who did you protect last night? Me. I didn’t trust anyone else’s claim enough to bother with them. I wasn’t attacked. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1457 "2009-10-14T20:29:47Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Sorry, I didn’t mean that as a smudge, I actually thought it was a bit of a point in your favor. No worries. I was really on tilt when I wrote that, as I mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1458 "2009-10-14T20:32:09Z")
This is getting a little silly. As it’s still Day 2, and we have another claimed Doc… **Unvote** **Thing Fish** , please tell us what you did last night! So now we have a total of 14 roles among 24 players: 1. Scum Investigator - Jimmy 2. Scum Roleblocker - ??? 3. Scum Leader - ??? 4. Prostitute - TexCat 5. Governor - JPei 6. Barman - Daphne 7. Doctor A - Peeker 8. Doctor B - Thing Fish 9. Regional Manager - Boozy 10. ??? - OaOW 11. General Store Owner - Gryff 12. Tax Collector - Alka 13. Politician - ??? 14. Serial Killer - ??? Politician - can buy votes - can s/he vote for leader? The only claimed role without a name is **OaOW**. Can there be more than 14 power roles? Would a politician be a Town or scum role? Buying **Thing Fish** ’s vote as he’s already in the lead to be lynched seems a waste of a bought vote but to force TF to vote for himself is quite scummy, no? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1459 "2009-10-14T20:33:37Z")
i’ve also gotta run. won’t be back until after Day end. and now that i see that **fishy** has also claimed a doc i have not doubt that those non town elements might very well use this to switch their vote. i would only implore that when i flip town doc that you don’t knee jerk vote **fishy**. i am convinced that there are more than one protective role(s) in this game (my term for doctor). now he might very well be scum but he could have also gotten assigned field medic as well as i did based on certain conditions in my pm (which to reveal would give way to much information to scum). also go back and look at the insance references. there is certainly a clue there. i don’t know exactly what but i think it might very well be key. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1460 "2009-10-14T21:09:54Z")
**unvote Thing Fish** for now. Christ on an F’ing crutch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=74)