# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1621 "2009-10-17T06:56:28Z")
A sad night for Town, no scum in the pile. @ **Peeker** **Amrussell** Farewell, we’ll miss you both! And thanks for the Portuguese subtitles, isn’t Toto cute! @ **Tom** Thanks for the WoWs, lots to work from toDay. And you should add **Thing Fish** to the list of dead. While I doubt the Screamers have much need for a Tax Collector or Politician, I have some trouble being convinced these two roles are truly pro-town. Stealing people’s shiny stuff or forcing **Thing Fish** to vote for himself are not “good” things. So, based on or his regular presence and sheer effort so far, **Elect Tom Scud** ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1622 "2009-10-17T08:33:34Z")
well, crap. I still thought **Peeker** was scum. Well, lets get the music started. I am going to review the postings as I know no longer have confidence on the people I thought were scummly after **peekers** death. **DaphneBlack** , Did you find out anything useful last night? I find it interesting that a potential investigator was ignored to take out a innocent woman. Also my shiny stuff was taken last night, as Alka promised. I do have a mild suspicion that the **alka** and **boozy** link up was a setup to get items from me. The declaration that I have bernylian was a pretty safe one due to my title, and the only reason I thought **Boozy** was safe was because he knew of the shiny stuff. It is possible that a third party of bernyium robbers would also know that, and having got one item from me, setup up a reason for me to give another to them. Considering how badly I misjudged **Peeker** though I would suggest people look at these people independently. **Elect Tom Scud** ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1623 "2009-10-17T08:39:38Z")
Good news is I have internet back. Bad news is we are another two town down. Sorry to see you go amrussell and peekercpa **Elect Alka Seltzer** ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1624 "2009-10-17T09:00:31Z")
I think Alka and Boozy are on the same side, if one is town I believe both are town, but if one is scum… **Elect Tom Scud** ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1625 "2009-10-17T10:20:08Z")
I was blocked last night and the color confirms that I was at a bar. So there’s definitely a scum blocker out there too. **Elect Daphne** ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1626 "2009-10-17T10:37:43Z")
It seems likely that the scum roleblocker would have gone after **peeker** (fare thee well in the great beyond, and amrussell too). My block of Drain Bead was indeed successful. I didn’t receive any further information than that. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1627 "2009-10-17T10:40:32Z")
**Elect Alka Seltzer** As with yesterday, I don’t think he’s confirmed necessarily but I think provisionally the berynium brotherhood seems to be pro-Town. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1628 "2009-10-17T11:35:21Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > It seems likely that the scum roleblocker would have gone after **peeker** (fare thee well in the great beyond, and amrussell too). > > My block of Drain Bead was indeed successful. I didn’t receive any further information than that. At least I can confirm you! You are now the most confirmed Town we have, at least in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1629 "2009-10-17T13:42:44Z")
Well I appreciate that **Drain Bead**. Don’t think I should vote for myself though! ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1630 "2009-10-17T14:13:42Z")
I think you should. I don’t trust anyone else as much as I trust you. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1631 "2009-10-17T14:41:57Z")
Day 3 Leader votes: AlkaSeltzer(5): Tom Scud, USCDiver, AllWalker, CatinASuit, Daphne TomScud(3): Guiri, Gryff, OneandOnly Daphne(1): Drainbead ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1632 "2009-10-17T15:28:19Z")
I’ve PM’ed the mods, I haven’t received a message telling me if my collection from Gryff was successful. Maybe AllWalker got it instead? 😉 > [@peekercpa](#): > > i attempted to leave but my door was blocked somehow. that reads just like a normal role blocker. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I was blocked last night and the color confirms that I was at a bar. So there’s definitely a scum blocker out there too. This is crucial information. Now we know Peeker is town and was telling the truth about his block, there aren’t many possibilities. I think Daphne is likely to be town, although I can’t rule out scum having 2 role-blockers, given the number of weak power roles town seems to have. It seems likely that Daphne is telling the truth about blocking FS night 1, as if not someone else would have got a block message (assuming Drain Bead is telling the truth). Did anyone else receive a block message last night? It might be worth another vanilla claiming later toDay so Daphne can blockvestigate them tonight, to eliminate the possibility that Drain Bead is lying about receiving a block message. The alternative is to have Daphne blockvestigate Drain Bead until she gets a result to her investigation. **@Chronos** - What do you think of my bet-hedging plan to leave Daphne alive and direct her against vanilla townies now, in the light of this latest information? I’m guessing Peeker couldn’t self protect for game balance reasons. Two townies with the ability to self-protect might be over-powered in an end-game. The scum may have wasted a block on him last night. Only 2 kills last night, so it does look likely that TexCat was killed recruiting. I don’t buy Peeker’s theory that he was blocked to ensure a kill of TexCat. It was unlikely TexCat was investigated night 0, and unlikely the scum would be concerned that Peeker would protect her (my rough stab at working out the odds was 1/414, not a horse I’d back). Peeker was probably blocked to ensure the kill of jpei, and the scum were hoping for a mis-lynch of Peeker. Peeker almost has to have been the scum target last night, amrussel would have been a reasonable target for a vig after leading the Thing Fish bandwagon. My best guess on the night 1 kills: - Scum kill jpei. - TexCat dies recruiting. - Vig kills Jimmy. Take this with a pinch of salt though. For example, an SK might make townie looking kills in the hope of faking a vig claim. I think it’s more likely we have a vig, but I wouldn’t assume this until we know more about the game setup. I’m giving game balance a lot of thought right now. Objectively, I agree that Boozy and Gryff are closer to confirmed than I am. I think Tom’s theory that Boozahol might be the head screamer is very unlikey, although I can’t quite rule it out. If he is it would mean there is no Megacorp Regional Manager and he was given the role name in order to fake claim. That would make my role pretty gastardly. If I was 3rd party I wouldn’t have claimed day 2, running the risk of being blocked or killed. I’m expecting the scum will confirm us by slicing us into tiny pieces. Since I can’t elect Gryff, I will: **Elect Boozahol** > [@CatInASuit](#): > > In other news the following are likely townie from the comments above > > from #463 as 3rd/4th/5th voters for Drain Bead with little explanation when voting. > Alka Seltzer > Daphne Black, > Freudian Slip > > from #917 as the next 3 BillMC voters > Alka Seltzer > Daphne Black > AllWalker > > Well, isn’t that a surprise. We have a matchup there of two people. I think JC may have unwittingly pointed out two townies. At the time, I wasn’t happy being lumped together with Daphne, and could see a possible scum motive for this post. If Daphne is town, I think it’s quite likely that CatInASuit is town, which is something to bear in mind as people flip. It’s unfortunate we lost both protective roles. If Peeker and Thing Fish had been more forthcoming with their claims we might have been able to avoid the mis-lynch, but given the details of their roles I can see why they played it as they did. It’s important we get our votes down much earlier toDay, if I’m elected leader I’ll place unofficial provisional votes. Finally, welcome back to the game Mr Diver. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1633 "2009-10-17T15:54:36Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i attempted to leave but my door was blocked somehow. that reads just like a normal role blocker. not that i got to so and so’s door and couldn’t get in. That sounds a bit like a **Hacker** role, over-riding door controls. Alternatively, if the doors in the mining complex are a bit lower-tech, it could be a **Chair-Positioner**. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1634 "2009-10-17T16:29:58Z")
> [@Alka Seltzer](#): > > I’m guessing Peeker couldn’t self protect for game balance reasons. Two townies with the ability to self-protect might be over-powered in an end-game. The scum may have wasted a block on him last night. > > Finally, welcome back to the game Mr Diver. Thanks. **peeker** mentioned during the Night that he had only acquired the full Doctor functioning on **Thing Fish** ’s death… ah here it is (he’s quoting PM from pedescribe): > [@peeker](#): > > Good news (actually great news for town)! During the search of Thing Fish’s, otherwise know as fishy’s, home, you found a variety of manuals, and some well worn masturbatory aids, on how to treat severe flesh wounds (watch out for that vacuum cleaner). You are now a fully fledged doctor, capable of protecting yourself or others from any type of attack (except from the martians - that’s a whole nother story)! So he was able to self protect during the Night which means he was most likely blocked and killed by Screamers. The **amrussell** kill is likely Vig/SK/third party. I’m a bit troubled by the three kills Night 1 followed by two kills Night 2. It’s possible we have a voluntary Vig who kept it in his pants last night. Or as previously mentioned, the \*\*Texcat \*\*death on Night 1 might have been due to a botched recruitment. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1635 "2009-10-17T16:51:36Z")
I think the **amrussell** kill is most likely a vig, taking **Thing Fish** ’s OMGUS a bit too seriously. I’m kicking myself now for not doing my wall of words on **amrussell** sooner. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1636 "2009-10-17T16:54:35Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I’ve PM’ed the mods, I haven’t received a message telling me if my collection from Gryff was successful. Maybe AllWalker got it instead? 😉 This is a joke about the mods getting you and AllWalker mixed up on day 1, right? (I was trying to figure out why you’d think AllWalker had stolen the berynium when the obvious reading came across to me, so I figure other people might also have been confused). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1637 "2009-10-17T19:07:50Z")
OK, since **Gryff** can’t be elected again (does that last for the whole game? Could be rough in some endgame scenarios), I think I’m forced to find **Boozahol** most trusted-- I think the whole berynium thing means that **Alka** confirms **Boozahol** , but not necessarily that **Boozahol** confirms **Alka**. Of course, they could both be Scum, but that’s always going to be a risk until some Investigator-type gets killed. **Unelect Gryff Elect Boozahol** And I have no idea what to make of **Daphne** right now. I can only think of a few possible explanations at the moment: 1: The moderators made a bizarre choice of color for her role, and she blocks robots by getting them drunk. 2: Her role is intended as primarily investigative, and blocking Townies in the process is considered a cost or balancing measure for her use of the role. 3: She’s a third party roleblocker, who blocks Town but not Screamers 4: She’s the Scum roleblocker, **peeker** tried to protect someone else, and the Scum took a chance that he would do so and blocked **Drain Bead** while killing **peeker** 5: **Daphne** and **Drain** are both Scum, and **Drain** is lying about having been blocked At the moment, I have no idea which of these to go with… I’ll need to think about it for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1638 "2009-10-17T19:43:08Z")
I thought **peeker** might have a chance of surviving – I forgot about the Scum roleblocker. **Daphne** is confirmed, I think, to whatever extent anyone personally believes she and **Drain Bead** could not be working together as Scum. I think that is very unlikely (that they are working together), primarily because the bandwagon stood a good chance of winding up with **Daphne** dead (roleblocker is not, by a long shot, a likely claim by a bussed-to-be-saved Scum, 25% investigative bonus or no 25% investigative bonus); and Scum had just lost a major player. In the absence of that kind of collusion, everything hangs together much too well to be faked. And **Daphne** ’s a perfectly reliable player. So: **elect Daphne Black** I have a bunch of things I want to go through before trying to draw any more conclusions, but I’m not sure I agree with the idea that we are very likely to have a vig rather than a SK. Both players killed were early on the bandwagons of people who turned up Town (or started them), but it also fits as the play of a SK who wants to remove influential/talkative players while still maintaining the ability to pose as a vig. If it’s a SK, the motives must change eventually (to get rid of confirmed Town, for instance), so I think as time goes on it may become easier to tell the difference. Just not quite yet. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1639 "2009-10-17T19:57:16Z")
The existence of a Town Roleblocker makes me lean toward SK rather than Vig, too. It seems a little pointless to have a Town Roleblocker when there’s only one anti-Town killer out there. But it’s probably a little premature to be worrying about who the other kills are coming from. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1640 "2009-10-17T20:07:14Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And I have no idea what to make of **Daphne** right now. I can only think of a few possible explanations at the moment: > 1: The moderators made a bizarre choice of color for her role, and she blocks robots by getting them drunk. It is a very bizarre choice of color, I agree with you there. I was starting to get nervous about it after you pointed it out again last Night. But given this morning’s revelations: – maybe the Screamers are susceptible for some reason that makes sense to pedescribe and Mahaloth – maybe they are not, and that fact is intended to be conveyed in whatever information she gets back regarding the outcome > [@](#): > > 2: Her role is intended as primarily investigative, and blocking Townies in the process is considered a cost or balancing measure for her use of the role. > 3: She’s a third party roleblocker, who blocks Town but not Screamers What could conceivably be the win condition for such a role? > [@](#): > > 4: She’s the Scum roleblocker, **peeker** tried to protect someone else, and the Scum took a chance that he would do so and blocked **Drain Bead** while killing **peeker** Inconsistent with **peeker** ’s story of having been role-blocked the previous night, by a different method than **Daphne** and **Drain Bead** describe. Unless, > [@](#): > > 5: **Daphne** and **Drain** are both Scum, and **Drain** is lying about having been blocked See my previous post. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=83)