# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 84
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1661 "2009-10-18T04:35:22Z")
To be clear, **Tom** , you said you’d vote me for that, and now you have. But you [also said](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11672417#post11672417) that I’m somewhat confirmed by Jimmy’s behavior. Admittedly, you qualified that by saying that I was less confirmed than other folks, but still, considering me even a little bit confirmed seems inconsistent with voting for me now. Care to explain? ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1662 "2009-10-18T09:06:43Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Oh, hey, **Scuba** , do you have anything interesting to report concerning the doily? I didn’t give the doily to scuba, considering some items are obviously bad for town I am trying to only give out items that I have some inkling what that might do. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1663 "2009-10-18T14:46:12Z")
If, once you’ve gotten rid of all your “good” items, and I’m still alive, I will also take the doily if **Scuba Ben** changes his mind or is not alive. It can’t really hurt me (or Town) any to give it to a Vanilla, I’d imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1664 "2009-10-18T14:53:33Z")
**vote Chronos** Lack of a strategic vote, plus the anti-Daphne post from this AM after I had confirmed her smacks of anti-Town attempts to sow discord–Occam’s Razor points to the fact that she’s Town, **peeker** ’s statements determined for me that that she’s telling the truth, and we don’t yet know if her role is in opposition to the color. And while **Tom** may think that **Jimmy** confirmed you (and his comment there lacked any real certainty), I do not– **Jimmy** was scum and we don’t know the motivation for anything he did. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1665 "2009-10-18T15:33:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > To be clear, **Tom** , you said you’d vote me for that, and now you have. But you [also said](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11672417#post11672417) that I’m somewhat confirmed by Jimmy’s behavior. Admittedly, you qualified that by saying that I was less confirmed than other folks, but still, considering me even a little bit confirmed seems inconsistent with voting for me now. Care to explain? Obviously, scum can fight with scum. Jimmy took a few pokes at you, but didn’t really make a serious effort to lynch you or push a bandwagon with your name on it. Or check my wall on **amrussell** for an example of someone whose interactions with Jimmy made it nearly impossible, IMO, for them to be scum. In your case, I thought **Jimmy’s** actions were a point in your favor, but not nearly enough to overlook your own scummy-with-scum-sauce vote at the end of Day 2. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1666 "2009-10-18T15:37:58Z")
Also (forgot to mention this), the entire **Chronos** voting history smacks of someone who does not want any accountability for his votes. Policy voting, refusal to ever go out on a limb, it all just seems like he’s trying to hide in the voting record. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1667 "2009-10-18T16:08:29Z")
I will just chime in to say I see **Chronos** as a good vote, for reasons stated just now, as well as the fact that confirmed Townie **peeker** was adamant on this point. And I have already placed a vote against him on Day 1. Having said that, I wont be voting yet. I’m going to overturn a few stones and see what happens. We don’t want to kill discussion for toDay. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1668 "2009-10-18T16:39:56Z")
> [@Gryff](#): > > I didn’t give the doily to scuba, considering some items are obviously bad for town I am trying to only give out items that I have some inkling what that might do. I keep forgetting to ask. Is the tiara effect permanent? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1669 "2009-10-18T16:44:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Lack of a strategic vote, plus the anti-Daphne post from this AM after I had confirmed her smacks of anti-Town attempts to sow discord– First of all, that post wasn’t really anti-Daphne. Right now, I don’t know what to think of her, so I tried to list every possible explanation. I don’t know which explanation is correct, and there is an explanation in there in which she’s Town. And I can’t believe I’m getting votes for voting for the person I thought most likely to be Scum… Isn’t that how we’re all supposed to play? OK, I didn’t think **Thing Fish** was the best lynch, so I didn’t vote for him. Out of people other than **Thing Fish** , I was apparently supposed to vote for **Freudian** instead of **Daphne** because **Freudian** had more votes on her already? That’s an idiotic way for a Townie to vote, since it makes it easier for Scum to push bandwagons. Plus, of course, there are all the other people who also didn’t vote **Freudian** , or who even voted **Thing Fish** themselves. Why aren’t they getting criticized for not “voting strategically”? Is it just because I was online at the end of the Day, and they weren’t? I feel like I’m being punished for being active. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1670 "2009-10-18T16:56:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > First of all, that post wasn’t really anti-Daphne. Right now, I don’t know what to think of her, so I tried to list every possible explanation. I don’t know which explanation is correct, and there is an explanation in there in which she’s Town. Two in five, and one of those two was weaksauce. One “well, she’s Town, but the color is still against it,” one “she’s Town, but more Cop than Blocker” strategically placed 2nd in the list, and three “she’s not Town” responses. > [@](#): > > And I can’t believe I’m getting votes for voting for the person I thought most likely to be Scum… Isn’t that how we’re all supposed to play? OK, I didn’t think **Thing Fish** was the best lynch, so I didn’t vote for him. Out of people other than **Thing Fish** , I was apparently supposed to vote for **Freudian** instead of **Daphne** because **Freudian** had more votes on her already? That’s an idiotic way for a Townie to vote, since it makes it easier for Scum to push bandwagons. > > Plus, of course, there are all the other people who also didn’t vote **Freudian** , or who even voted **Thing Fish** themselves. Why aren’t they getting criticized for not “voting strategically”? Is it just because I was online at the end of the Day, and they weren’t? I feel like I’m being punished for being active. By the time you voted, I think it was pretty clear that **Thing Fish** was Town, and that the majority of the voters for him were going to be absent for the rest of the Day. Because you were present, you had the power to potentially save him. A tough situation, but you could have easily explained your vote at that point as strategic, just as you explained your vote on **OAOW** as policy-based and not necessarily because you thought he was the Scummiest. Clearly you don’t necessarily have a problem with voting for someone slightly less scummy for policy reasons on Day One, but you DO have a problem with voting for someone slightly less scummy on Day Two in order to potentially save a very strong Town power role. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1671 "2009-10-18T16:59:03Z")
**elect Alka** He’s confirmed in my mind. Scuddy ain’t, yet. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1672 "2009-10-18T17:06:46Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > **elect Alka** > > He’s confirmed in my mind. Scuddy ain’t, yet. Interesting turn of events here. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1673 "2009-10-18T17:47:56Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > **elect Alka** > > He’s confirmed in my mind. Scuddy ain’t, yet. Either you’ve got a helluva board delay or you’re living up to your username! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1674 "2009-10-18T17:50:31Z")
Vote Count: Chronos(2): Drain Bead, Tom Scud ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1675 "2009-10-18T18:44:15Z")
Vote Count: Gryff (1) Chronos(2): Drain Bead, Tom Scud ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1676 "2009-10-18T18:59:54Z")
OK, and now my Day 1 vote is being misrepresented. Yes, it was a “policy vote”, but I really did think, admittedly based on policy, that **Wanderers** (and then **Boozahol** ) had the best chance of being Scum. I voted, then as now, for the person I thought most likely to be Scum. And **AllWalker** , why are you attaching any particular weight at all on what **peeker** thought of me? He wasn’t a Detective, and he didn’t give any reasons for suspecting me. ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1677 "2009-10-18T19:36:43Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I keep forgetting to ask. Is the tiara effect permanent? It appears so, I was told it locked onto me and it ain’t coming off till it breaks. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1678 "2009-10-18T19:45:16Z")
OK, this is probably \*\*\*crazy \*\*\*but I’m going to throw it out there… Doesn’t it look like \*\*Boozy \*\*read a message or a reminder to vote for \*\*Alka \*\*before actually reading the game thread (and therefore didn’t see that \*\*Alka \*\*had been elected 14 hours previously and that several lynch votes had already been placed since). In his vote he also explained why he wasn’t voting for **Tom** , but if he hadn’t read the thread, why mention **Tom** ’s towniness, of all people? Where could he have got the reminder and know about \*\*Tom \*\*'s being in the run for leader without reading this thread? The scum board? \*\*Boozy \*\*hadn’t posted here since Thursday shortly after **Thing Fish** ’s first claim. He voted for \*\*Thing \*\*without giving any reason apart from thinking **Tom** ’s line of reasoning was valid. Did he ever give a reason for his vote? I’m sure someone asked him but can’t find the post. Strange for a leader to vote without any personal reasoning? While the whole “Brotherhood of Bling” would be quite an elaborate scum-ploy, I’m still not fully convinced ALL these guys are town. \*\*Gryff \*\*could easily be unaware of the ploy as he’d provided sufficient info previously for \*\*Alka \*\*and \*\*Boozy \*\*to set everything up. The two roles selected are so “out there” that a counter claim is extremely unlikely (Tax Collector and Megacorp Regional Manager), the consistent spelling mistakes and what’s the pro-town motive behind stealing other townies’ berynium? > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Do you think that I, as scum, would value my head over that of a combo of mine another another player’s? /snipped Possibly, it’s a very good scum move. Plenty of WIFOM. > [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I’ve been thinking this over, and I’m also going to claim. /snipped @ **Alka** What made you claim at this particular moment in the game? Of course, this theory doesn’t help the **Drain Bead/Daphne** double-act as \*\*Alka \*\*is the one who proposed to \*\*Daphne \*\*to block \*\*Drain Bead \*\*to prove they were both town. Scum will say I’m reading too much into a small posting error -fine, I hear you. What does Town think? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1679 "2009-10-18T19:48:23Z")
Maybe you can put the doily on top of it and make it prettier? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1680 "2009-10-18T20:31:54Z")
Jeebus. Sorry folks. Was in Maine since, essentially, my last post yesterday. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=83) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=85)