# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 92
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1821 "2009-10-21T16:11:26Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > If Drain Bead is a bomb, then asking for all the power roles now is good idea given the suspicion on her. Yes, but asking to be lynched day 1 was not good bomb play - less chance of taking out a power role and no confirmed townies to hit. Hence my thought of a possible role-fishing gambit. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1822 "2009-10-21T16:17:32Z")
I don’t think she’s a Bomb either; there’s too much that doesn’t fit. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1823 "2009-10-21T16:17:40Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > A couple of thoughts, > > If Drain Bead is a bomb, then asking for all the power roles now is good idea given the suspicion on her. What do you mean by this? If you mean that all the power roles should claim, then absolutely not. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > (snipped most) > > So now you don’t think **Chronos** is Scum? I know I’ve been arguing he’s likely 3rd party, but you haven’t. You spent half of Day One calling him Scummy, then picked that up again Today and have not said you’ve changed your mind. What are you on about here? You’re voting for ME right now, not **Chronos**. You’ve been voting for ME every step of the way in this game, not **Chronos**. I’m not sure why you would think that me saying that if I were dead you might actually put a vote on Scum for once has anything to do with me no longer thinking that **Chronos** is Scum. You may have been arguing he’s 3rd party all day long, but in the end you’re voting for a Townie. And you have been every single damn Day. I think **Chronos** is still Scum, absolutely. And I think **Tom Scud** is too, for wanting to “save” him. And I would have thought both of them were Scum even if **Tom** had gone on to make the case against anyone else other than me, because no Townie expresses their happiness when they think they’ve found Scum by couching it in the terms of “saving” a player that they’ve been gunning for all Day. I’ve been answering a lot of questions, so it’s time to ask some. 1. Why, in a game in which Scum can Day-strategize, and Town does not know this, would I have claimed VT Day One if I were Scum? 2. Why, in a game in which Scum can Day-strategize, where I was Scum and claimed VT on Day One, would I then say something that led to Town finding out that Scum could Day-strategize? 3. Why, if I were Scum having gotten heat on Day One, whose main defender turned out to be Scum, who could Day-strategize with other teammates, who was the first to bring up the fact that Scum could Day-strategize, would I then be the first to vote on Day Two, thus turning the spotlight back on myself? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1824 "2009-10-21T16:21:55Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Also, **Oredigger** , if people would go along with my plan it would cease to be a distraction. > > **Mods, would I be modkilled instantly if I edit a post, modkilled at the end of Day, or not at all?** not at all. But if you really want to , you could always quote a PM verbatim and wait till end of Day. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1825 "2009-10-21T16:22:55Z")
Vote Count: Gryff (1) Chronos(5): Oredigger, USCDiver, Tiltawhirl, Gryff, DaphneBlack Tom Scud (1) : Chronos Drain Bead(3) : Tom Scud, Normalphase, DrainBead ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1826 "2009-10-21T16:26:43Z")
**Drain Bead** , look at it this way. At this point, it looks like you and I are the only folks likely to get lynched. We’ve _both_ been a distraction to Town. If, as seems very likely, one of us gets lynched, then at worst Town has lost a distraction, _no matter what_. And, of course, I don’t know you’re Town, and you don’t know I’m Town, so at best, we can nab a Scum. It’s still possible, of course, that someone other than us might die, but a vote swing of that magnitude would have to bring a wealth of information to Town, so that’s not bad, either. Now, if I look at this from your point of view, and assume you’re Town: You see the options as you die, and a distraction is removed but a Townie is dead, or I die, and a distraction is also removed, but there’s also a chance that a Scum dies. Which means that you should really, really prefer that I die rather than that you do. On the other hand, if you’re Scum, then maybe you’re some weird role that benefits from being lynched (unlikely, but who knows), or maybe (and I think this more likely) you’re just trying to sow confusion and noise for Town, the thing you claim to be trying to avoid (it’s certainly having that effect, whether it was your intention or not). ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1827 "2009-10-21T16:29:07Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Yes, but asking to be lynched day 1 was not good bomb play - less chance of taking out a power role and no confirmed townies to hit. Hence my thought of a possible role-fishing gambit. Good point, although if she is scum then JC was saving her for a rainy day. 😉 No, I think you are right, on second consideration, bomb seems really unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1828 "2009-10-21T16:31:10Z")
Take all of these answers with an assumed “if you were scum”. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > 1. Why, in a game in which Scum can Day-strategize, and Town does not know this, would I have claimed VT Day One if I were Scum? You were hoping to psyche people out of voting for you, because “scum wouldn’t do that.” And hey, it worked. > [@](#): > > 1. Why, in a game in which Scum can Day-strategize, where I was Scum and claimed VT on Day One, would I then say something that led to Town finding out that Scum could Day-strategize? Townie cred. You were clearly worried about taking additional heat on day 2 from your jumpy response to that USCDiver repost (which whatever you think of my motives, I reposted in an effort to figure out if we should sub him out); you figured it was worth giving up some tactical advantages in return for hopefully avoiding another lynch mob. > [@](#): > > 1. Why, if I were Scum having gotten heat on Day One, whose main defender turned out to be Scum, who could Day-strategize with other teammates, who was the first to bring up the fact that Scum could Day-strategize, would I then be the first to vote on Day Two, thus turning the spotlight back on myself? I don’t get this objection at all. You took no heat, and earned some praise, from launching that first vote. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1829 "2009-10-21T16:35:07Z")
What are you referring to with the USCDiver repost? I don’t even remember that. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1830 "2009-10-21T16:36:15Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > **@Oredigger, Scuba Ben** - What do you think of the odds of Drain Bead and Chronos being scum together? \ I see basically three options where Drain could be scum with her actions, first of she is vanilla scum trying to save a scum power role hoping that over the Night we’ll forget about him or giving Chronos a chance to change his play to more helpful to town. Secondly she could be a bomb trying to increase her chance of taking out a town power role which wouldn’t imply anything about Chronos. The other option is simply that she has had some success in the past with asking people to lynch her driving off suspicion and as scum Drain is using this to insure that she gets put on the scum wouldn’t do that list which again I don’t think would imply anything about Chronos. Honestly, I haven’t seen anything in Drain’s actions that make me think she is scum. I don’t think any of these options are true but even if she is scum I only see one option where her scummy actions imply anything about Chronos. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1831 "2009-10-21T16:38:56Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > What are you referring to with the USCDiver repost? I don’t even remember that. [Linky](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11634076&postcount=910) [Linky](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11634198&postcount=914) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1832 "2009-10-21T16:45:35Z")
NETA: I only brought it up because I’d earlier said to myself, and I think on one of my posts which I’m not going to bother digging up, that I didn’t think you were under any pressure when you came up with the scum-can-day-talk discovery (which was prior to Jimmy flipping scum), which counted in your favor; but your reply to that post indicates to me that you were still feeling a bit of pressure. Naturally, there’s a decent Townie explanation for that: you’d nearly been lynched, that can get anyone a bit paranoid. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1833 "2009-10-21T16:57:07Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > NETA: I only brought it up because I’d earlier said to myself, and I think on one of my posts which I’m not going to bother digging up, that I didn’t think you were under any pressure when you came up with the scum-can-day-talk discovery (which was prior to Jimmy flipping scum), which counted in your favor; but your reply to that post indicates to me that you were still feeling a bit of pressure. My reply to that post was solely because you were asking what people thought of it. I then promptly forgot about it. As for the rest of it, if the best you can come up with is “Scummy you did it because Scum wouldn’t do it,” then maybe you should consider the alternative, that Townie me did it because I’m effing Town. And I’m going to give **Chronos** what he is asking for. **unvote me** **vote Chronos** ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1834 "2009-10-21T17:25:17Z")
Well, I didn’t exactly want that, but it does make more sense. ---
**Author:** ![tiltawhirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@tiltawhirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiltawhirl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1835 "2009-10-21T17:26:08Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > **@Guiri** > **@Tiltawhirl** - What are your thoughts on the latest developments, Tom’s case on Drain Bead, and Drain Bead’s bizarre request to be lynched? Tom Scud’s ass-saving pledge may be so transparent as to be kind of subtle. In a throwaway post he promises to derail Chronos’ bandwagon. Then, he unveils a two-part WoW on DB and justifies his vote for her on the basis of the previous case and for the same reason he originally voted Chronos: the failure to strategy vote Freudian Slit to save Thing Fish. Not only is the DB case revived, but Tom Scud also draws votes to himself for no good reason (is that part of saving Chronos’ posterior, too?) Drain Bead offered to drink the hemlock Day 1, so not much new there. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1836 "2009-10-21T17:29:29Z")
Oh, and my vote is still on **Tom** for now, since even though it was based on him voting for me rather than **Drain** , the circumstances of his switch look fishy to me. I obviously don’t think that he was trying to save a scummy teammate, but he could also have decided that my wagon was rolling along well enough, and he wanted to get off it before I got lynched and came up Town. I will likely end up switching my vote to **Drain** out of self-defense before the end of the Day, but there’s still plenty of time for that, and a chance that I might not need to. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1837 "2009-10-21T17:34:48Z")
> [@tiltawhirl](#): > > Not only is the DB case revived, but Tom Scud also draws votes to himself for no good reason (is that part of saving Chronos’ posterior, too?) And this is where it gets me. **Tom** is always such a cautious and meticulous player that it really blows my mind that he would have done something that will inevitably draw a lot of heat upon him. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1838 "2009-10-21T17:35:56Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > What are you on about here? You’re voting for ME right now, not **Chronos**. You’ve been voting for ME every step of the way in this game, not **Chronos**. I’m not sure why you would think that me saying that if I were dead you might actually put a vote on Scum for once has anything to do with me no longer thinking that **Chronos** is Scum. You may have been arguing he’s 3rd party all day long, but in the end you’re voting for a Townie. And you have been every single damn Day. I think **Chronos** is still Scum, absolutely. And I think **Tom Scud** is too, for wanting to “save” him. And I would have thought both of them were Scum even if **Tom** had gone on to make the case against anyone else other than me, because no Townie expresses their happiness when they think they’ve found Scum by couching it in the terms of “saving” a player that they’ve been gunning for all Day. What I was trying to say was that you’d just implied I’d never voted for Scum, despite my having twice voted for **Chronos** – who you say you think is Scum. It suggests you’re not as sincere in that belief as you’d have us believe. But you imply you were just referring to my vote not being on **Chronos** when it counts, which … fair enough, to date, if you’re Town and **Chronos** is not. So never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1839 "2009-10-21T17:38:20Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > And this is where it gets me. **Tom** is always such a cautious and meticulous player that it really blows my mind that he would have done something that will inevitably draw a lot of heat upon him. Have you actually LOOKED at any of my games? I pulled a hell of a lot of heat in WWW for shooting off my mouth about possible scum roles; I got myself lynched (as a Serial Killer) in the Gastard game basically for going on the offensive when I totally didn’t need to. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1840 "2009-10-21T17:39:03Z")
NETA to **Tom** in re: **CIAS** ’ partial WoW on me – **CIAS** is right; we have been rather in lockstep Today. If you’re Scum, I won’t be looking too hot. Might as well get something out of it. Wanna snuggle? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=91) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=93)