# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1841 "2009-10-21T18:31:17Z")
There still aren’t enough votes down, and Scuba Ben and Boozahol seem to have disappeared, so I won’t be placing my leader vote until **tomorrow**. I’ll vote at about **6:00-8:00PM BST** (British Summer (hah) Time), which is about **1:00-3:00PM EST**. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1842 "2009-10-21T18:43:56Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Have you actually LOOKED at any of my games? I pulled a hell of a lot of heat in WWW for shooting off my mouth about possible scum roles; I got myself lynched (as a Serial Killer) in the Gastard game basically for going on the offensive when I totally didn’t need to. I didn’t think you were as bad as you think you were in the Gasterd game, at all. And it’s kinda tough to judge a Gastard Mod game in the same light as a regular game, anyway. But from what I’ve seen of you, I don’t think that you’re one to make a slip like the previous. It’s one thing to discuss potential roles, or go on the offensive too much (which is essentially what I’m guilty of in this game) it’s another thing to do what you did here. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1843 "2009-10-21T18:46:43Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > There still aren’t enough votes down, and Scuba Ben and Boozahol seem to have disappeared, so I won’t be placing my leader vote until **tomorrow**. I’ll vote at about **6:00-8:00PM BST** (British Summer (hah) Time), which is about **1:00-3:00PM EST**. I wholeheartedly agree with this. Would like to know what you’re thinking of the Day’s events so far, though. I’m also a bit surprised that **Boozy** hasn’t really gotten much heat other than a few comments about the totally inconvenient Day-end time, which really ended up screwing Town quite robustly. I know that he’s semi-confirmed and all, but what’s been confirmed is is role, not necessarily his alignment. And what he did happened to be the single most anti-Town thing so far in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1844 "2009-10-21T18:48:35Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > There still aren’t enough votes down, and Scuba Ben and Boozahol seem to have disappeared, so I won’t be placing my leader vote until **tomorrow**. I’ll vote at about **6:00-8:00PM BST** (British Summer (hah) Time), which is about **1:00-3:00PM EST**. Good idea, I’m going to sleep on it tonight and hope for inspiration. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1845 "2009-10-21T23:42:09Z")
n.b.: I’m catching up and answering and addressing posts in order. This may lead to some confusing or contradictory statements, but I’m trying to keep an open mind here with respect to > [@tiltawhirl](#): > > FWIW, while I believe Boozy is a well confirmed as town as anyone else, his actions as Leader were very anti-town and an important factor in **Thing Fish’s** mislynch. I realize that keeping people guessing is his style of play, but he did not keep town well informed of his intentions beforehand. Casting his vote at his own convenience created a situation in which there were not enough players active at end of Day to have a meaningful assessment TF’s role claim. I don’t know how I failed to keep the town informed of my intentions. I set a time, I responded to a request to extend it, and then didn’t do so after there wasn’t any more call to do so, and then I started the lynch the night I said I was going to. While it may have put Dusk at an inconvenient time for some, it wasn’t like there was some vast swing in the vote totals after most people had gone to sleep or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1846 "2009-10-21T23:56:50Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > **@Boozahol** - Who is your top pick for scum right now? Right now, I’m not liking (as I haven’t for quite some time now… I suppose this is getting on snuggling territory) the Drain Bead scum case. I’m feeling a scummy sort of vibe on Tom Scud, particularly for his WoW that he seems to trust so much that he’s outed another player with it. I could see him and NormalPhase as scum partners. I don’t like **Chronos** ’ vote analysis machine, and I suppose, on consideration, I do tend to agree with some of the arguments made against him, but I really don’t like the case made that he’s acting like an SK (was that NormalPhase who drew that one up?) ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1847 "2009-10-21T23:59:58Z")
> [@tiltawhirl](#): > > Drain Bead offered to drink the hemlock Day 1, so not much new there. She’s done the same in past games, as well, as both Scum and Town. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1848 "2009-10-22T00:05:32Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’m also a bit surprised that **Boozy** hasn’t really gotten much heat other than a few comments about the totally inconvenient Day-end time, which really ended up screwing Town quite robustly. I know that he’s semi-confirmed and all, but what’s been confirmed is is role, not necessarily his alignment. And what he did happened to be the single most anti-Town thing so far in this thread. Well there goes the snuggling idea… ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1849 "2009-10-22T00:10:39Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Well there goes the snuggling idea… _blows kisses_😛 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1850 "2009-10-22T00:38:31Z")
Quoth **Boozahol** : > [@](#): > > I don’t know how I failed to keep the town informed of my intentions. I set a time, I responded to a request to extend it, and then didn’t do so after there wasn’t any more call to do so, and then I started the lynch the night I said I was going to. While it may have put Dusk at an inconvenient time for some, it wasn’t like there was some vast swing in the vote totals after most people had gone to sleep or anything. I think folks were expecting you to vote that day, though, not that night. And the problem was exactly that there wasn’t a vast swing in the votes, when there arguably should have been, after **Thing Fish** ’s full claim. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1851 "2009-10-22T00:49:57Z")
Yeah, it had been pretty well established in previous discussion that the day should end in mid-afternoon Eastern Time–early enough for the Brits, late enough for the West-Coasters. To go against something that everyone agreed on was both literally anti-Town and had disastrous anti-Town results in practice. We _need_ as many people as possible to be present at Day-end. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1852 "2009-10-22T02:31:12Z")
Vote Count: Gryff (1) Chronos(6): Oredigger, USCDiver, Tiltawhirl, Gryff, DaphneBlack, DB Tom Scud (1) : Chronos Drain Bead(2) : Tom Scud, Normalphase ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1853 "2009-10-22T08:05:59Z")
I’ve thought about it overnight Brief case against Chronos Policy vote on Day 1 is a null tell Going constantly after soft roleclaims although not consistently looks really bad Big picture thinking, but no real analysis. Unusual to say the least Action at the end of Day 2 with the role claims and lack of tactical voting. Hmm. I think its the lack of analysis and the soft claim pursuit which is telling. Brief case against Drain Bead. The Lie Detector obfuscation, is anti-town Initial trial by vig suggestion looks bad Being touchy for people voting for her + mis-characterisation later on - well who isn’t but mischaracterisation is bad. Actions at End of Day 2 - not sure on this one Twice asking to be lynched - anti-town I’m not really seeing the issue with Drain Bead’s voting at the end of Day 2 seeing as Freudian Slit’s votes went down afterwards and she was voting for the person she thought was scummiest. I’m really not sure what to make of her play, because it is more anti-town than anything, which doesn’t necessarily mean scum I guess. **vote Chronos** ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1854 "2009-10-22T10:30:58Z")
Right now I would be OK with lynching DB or Chronos. I think that the Chronos lynch gives us more information. I am going to throw my hat in the ring with a **vote Chronos** but I want to finish my read through / analysis at some point, and this vote may change. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1855 "2009-10-22T11:30:28Z")
I realise I’m stating the obvious here, sorry. **Chronos** has 8 votes on him now, which should be enough for a lynch if that’s what the majority want. 2 players moved their vote from him to **Drain** (Tom, after a moment of giddiness, and Normal, in response to Tom’s “discovery”) but both have expressed strong feelings against **Chronos**. Apart from the leader, 4 have yet to vote: - the missing **Scuba** whose last post was a leader vote 5 days ago - the recently returned **Boozy** who tends to agree with the arguments against **Chronos** except the SK part - less active than usual **AllWalker** who already expressed motives for voting **Chronos** but wanted to do further analysis - me Of course, **Chronos** hasn’t voted for himself - yet, the politician hasn’t got to him. So we’re looking at a pretty much unanimous agreement that **Chronos** should be lynched so either: a. he’s a mere goon and scum are happy to be rid of him b. he’s town and scum are happy we’re doing their job for him and have joined in for the fun c. he’s 3rd party and so we’re all doing the best thing possible by removing him I have no idea if an investigator-less scum team would be happy to let a goon be lynched so easily but my guess is either b or c. @ **Boozy** Why do you think it’s so unlikely that **Chronos** is the SK? What other 3rd party could he be? @ **Chronos** Wanna claim? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1856 "2009-10-22T12:40:43Z")
As I don’t feel strongly either way about **Chronos** and can’t judge a change in his style of play, I’m going vote as I did on Day 1… **Vote Scuba\_Ben** I thought **ColdPhoenix** was a lurking scum who wanted to expose the “real” doc in response to **Peeker** ’s claim. I’ve checked with the Mods and know that **Scuba** got the exact same role PM as **Cold** , just as I got **Nanook** ’s. So I’m going to follow-up on that reasoning. One battle at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1857 "2009-10-22T13:09:23Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Would like to know what you’re thinking of the Day’s events so far, though. Why me in particular? My position should be a lot clearer than several players out there. > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I’m feeling a scummy sort of vibe on Tom Scud, particularly for his WoW that he seems to trust so much that he’s outed another player with it. Which WoW are you referring to here? (Tom hasn’t so much contructed a wall as a small town). > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I could see him and NormalPhase as scum partners. I don’t like **Chronos** ’ vote analysis machine, and I suppose, on consideration, I do tend to agree with some of the arguments made against him, but I really don’t like the case made that he’s acting like an SK (was that NormalPhase who drew that one up?) Yes, Normal Phase made the case for Chronos as an SK. The reasoning is sound, but seems too much of a stretch to me. Seems a bit unlikely that Chronos would be that transparent. Attacking players based on how much of a threat they pose would be a secondary goal for an SK, their priority is to avoid being lynched. > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > She’s done the same in past games, as well, as both Scum and Town. Hmm. I have very mixed feelings about the case on Drain Bead. However, if she has a history of pulling the anti-town ‘lynch me’ gambit as scum that’s a good reason to lynch her all by itself. **@Chronos, Drain Bead** - Do you think FS’ begin chicken fencing is a net benefit or loss to town, compared to a lynch? **@Guiri** - Out of Chronos and Drain Bead, which would be your preferred lynch? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1858 "2009-10-22T13:18:00Z")
I’m guessing you’re referring to the mods making FS essentially untouchable. I also combine this with what **Daphne** said, which I believe to be true, that FS has some sort of power. There are a few data points I can use to potentially analyze this. First off, there was one fewer kill last Night than there was on Night One. Could this have to do with the power role FS’s absence? It’s certainly possible. There are, of course, other possibilities ( **tex** trying to recruit a Scum, a different non-remorseful vig choosing to make a kill on Night One but not Night Two, and I’m sure other random things that I am not thinking of), but the idea that FS is either a Vig or SK is not too far out there. Metagamey, but I think if FS were a SK, the mods would not have put her in a box where we couldn’t lynch her, so if I’m right about this, I’m pretty sure FS would be a Vig, and therefore not lynching her would be a net benefit. But this involves way too many assumptions and is probably not actually what’s going on. In the end, and this is metagamey as well, but I doubt FS is scum–the reason being that the lynch is our main tool in getting rid of scum, and I doubt the mods would take that away from us just because FS is absent. So all in all, I think not lynching FS is good for us. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1859 "2009-10-22T13:39:18Z")
The comments about my SK case on **Chronos** brought something to mind: for those who are voting or have voted **Chronos** because you think he’s Scum – I’m thinking **Tom** here for one, though I know he’s addressed this before, just can’t remember what he said – how do you account for the Lie Detector thing he brought up? I can’t, not easily anyway, which is why his behavior has always read as 3rd party to me rather than Scum. If he turns up Town, or with a verifiable Town claim, some clarification on that point might prove useful. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1860 "2009-10-22T13:42:15Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > **@Guiri** - Out of Chronos and Drain Bead, which would be your preferred lynch? /snipped I like what you’re doing, it’s good to question and try to get all players involved. I don’t find the arguments against **Chronos** sufficiently convincing, and, after my poor play with **Thing Fish** I need something more to go on that “not being analytical as usual (I’ve never played with him before)”, “posting a program which makes noise (which he did even when he was Town)” and “not voting strategically (when his argument is that he was, just for the scummier of the two choices)” Is he scum? No idea. With the enormous opposition he’s getting, I’m thinking he’s possibly town or 3rd party but I can see why a SK wouldn’t have exposed himself so much. Maybe another 3rd party whose goal is to be lynched? A bit silly and if that were true, why wait till Day 3? As for **DB** , I’ve no idea what her alignment is and I don’t understand her style of play. If she’s Town, she’s paving the way for a scum win by _possibly_ removing two more Townies on the same day (herself by modkill and **Chronos** by lynch) and if you guys play along with her “only confirmed townies can vote for me”, her eventual death will give us no info to work on to find scum. If she’s scum, she’s not getting much defense from her team and I’ll be happy to see her modkilled. So, to answer your question, **if there were just the 3 of us left in the game** , I’d lynch **Chronos** and let **DB** lynch herself, leaving me to win :). As it is, I’m waiting for **Chronos** to claim and have put my vote elsewhere for the moment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=92) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=94)