# Screamers Mafia

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 95

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**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1881 "2009-10-22T22:07:37Z")

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Oh Jesus. Sorry about the typo, **Tom**. Freudian slip. 😉

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**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1882 "2009-10-23T13:11:20Z")

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Yiiich. I had stuff come up and have been away from the boards all week. Much apologies, shimatta, slicha, &c. :smack:

- I have nothing to report on the doily. I don’t even have a message saying that I received the doily or anything else.

- I am going to catch up the best I can from page 34 on today. Meanwhile, just so I’m not thoroughly absent:  
**Vote No Lynch**  
And I expect to change that vote.

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1883 "2009-10-23T13:53:43Z")

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> [@Drain\_Bead](#):
>
> Oh Jesus. Sorry about the typo, **Tom**. Freudian slip. 😉

Eh. I’ve been called that by better. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1884 "2009-10-23T14:01:42Z")

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Heh, I’ve nearly done the same thing about fifteen times myself. It’s all **peeker** ’s fault. 🙂

I’m working on a WoW on **Guiri** ; I think somebody should do **AllWalker** , too. **Guiri** points out his leader vote on Day One avoided all of the current bandwagons in favor of a go-nowhere vote on **Chronos** ; while that’s not scummy in itself, it does remind me that **AllWalker** is too good to let fly beneath the radar.

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**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1885 "2009-10-23T14:05:58Z")

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Vote Count:

Gryff (1)  
Chronos(9): Oredigger, USCDiver, Tiltawhirl, Gryff, DaphneBlack, DB, CatInASuit, OaOW, Boozy Squid  
Scuba Ben (1): Guiri  
Drain Bead(4) : Tom Scud, Normalphase, Alka(leader), Chronos  
NL (1) Scuba\_Ben

Day ends at 1:34 PM Eastern today.

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1886 "2009-10-23T14:10:25Z")

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> [@Normal\_Phase](#):
>
> Heh, I’ve nearly done the same thing about fifteen times myself. It’s all **peeker** ’s fault. 🙂
> 
> I’m working on a WoW on **Guiri** ; I think somebody should do **AllWalker** , too. **Guiri** points out his leader vote on Day One avoided all of the current bandwagons in favor of a go-nowhere vote on **Chronos** ; while that’s not scummy in itself, it does remind me that **AllWalker** is too good to let fly beneath the radar.

Yeah. I’m a bit burned out on walls, but I might take a look at that. Also, I might take a look at OneAndOnlyMagicBag.

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1887 "2009-10-23T15:26:28Z")

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OK, wow on One and Only

(is declared ineligible by pedescribe; various speculations ensue)

[229](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11595276&postcount=229) - is ineligible because of role; uncertain whether to claim; asks for comments and suggestions  
[231](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11595291&postcount=231) - considering claiming because of “other aspects of my role”  
[243](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11595641&postcount=243) - elects AllWalker; doesn’t think it’s important who Town elects  
[253](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11595921&postcount=253) - part claims are bad, but my part claim was forced by game mechanics  
[300](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11599384&postcount=300) - votes jpei for not voting in leader contest [2nd vote on jpei]  
[333](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11602190&postcount=333) - responds to Drain Bead re: whether he was forced to claim, notes that he would also be ineligible tomorrow  
[369](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11604851&postcount=369) - is town aligned; watching peeker discussion; surprised by Chronos vote  
[592](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11616794&postcount=592) - agrees with Daphne Black that he wants to hear Drain Bead’s explanation of why it’s bad if Chronos is trying to fish for third-party and second-scum-team roles  
[633](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11618025&postcount=633) - “I’m not feelinfg the Drain Bead case. I was interested when she wouldn’t declare alignment, but to have stuck to the guns for so long, garnishing so much attention, when a simple “I am Town Aligned” would have made it go away…”  
[678](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620196&postcount=678) - asks peeker for his role title (echoing others)

(jpei claims)  
[702](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620477&postcount=702) - “jpei’s claim does explain the lack of voting from him. I can even understand the use of the power as we were getting quite close to day end, though I would have preferred a gap to see what people did before using the power. I am waiting for a mod confirmation that day end has moved before I unvote.”  
[716](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620638&postcount=716) - unvotes jpei  
[852](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11629267&postcount=852) - thinks we shouldn’t worry about Day 2 end time until Day 2 starts.  
[859](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11629681&postcount=859) - "I am not feeling the Bill lynch, so will not be joining that train. Having looked around, I can’t see a really good prospect to place my vote on. People of interest tomorrow, from my pov, would include peeker, Chronos & CIAS. Jpei’s monster post above had me put him down as town. "  
(end day 1)  
[935](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11637395&postcount=935) - fluff  
[995](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11639066&postcount=995) - elects Boozahol  
[1151](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11648957&postcount=1151) - (to Tom Scud) “I’ll need more than one opinion before opening that bag.”  
[1229](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11653936&postcount=1229) “Need to do a full re-read. Daphne feels scummy to me, but I want to go back and put some flesh on the bones of my suspicion.” [at this point Daphne already had 3 votes]  
[1232](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11653955&postcount=1232) “Not a great defense. Presumes you will always play the same way and never change play style.” (in response to Daphne commenting about her previous play style as scum)  
[1237](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11654073&postcount=1237) asks Daphne if she has investigation results to share  
[1264](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11655117&postcount=1264) - WoW on Daphne Black. Thinks she was trying to have things both ways on Chronos; Drain Bead, also not impressed with vote on BillMC. Votes Daphne.  
[1270](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11655448&postcount=1270) - “I will claim, either when I think it is the most pro-town thing to do at the time, under pressure of lynch, or if a large number of the town wish it.” - may change vote if events warrant it.  
[1342](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11657484&postcount=1342) fluff  
[1346](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11657659&postcount=1346) Notes that a Daphne blocking Drain plan has problem in that if Drain and Daphne are both scum, Drain can give Daphne a clean bill of health.  
[1348](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11657668&postcount=1348) On TexCat’s cause of death: "Wouldn’t an existing mason who knew the identity of a scum come forward? In other games I have played, recruiting mason’s start out alone. "  
[1357](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11658033&postcount=1357) fluff  
[1435](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11662245&postcount=1435) “The only info i would have wanted from Daphne is any role info on FS. Since Daphne has none, I see no point in pursuing this.”  
[1444](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11662881&postcount=1444) “Daphne has claimed a testable power. I would prefer to have heard something from FS, but can’t really see that a Daphne lynch is the best thing for today” Unvotes Daphne

(end Day 2)

[1523](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11665263&postcount=1523) "Change this to didn’t have a vote placed at nightfall. Not the same as not voting at all the entire day. " (wrt his not having an end of day vote)  
[1526](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11665294&postcount=1526) "In previous games I have played it [politician] has been a town role, but that doesn’t mean it always has to be. "  
[1529](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11665346&postcount=1529) asks Boozy for his reasoning on Thing Fish vote  
[1626](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11673232&postcount=1626) elects Tom Scud; convinced Alka and Boozy are on same side; not sure that side is Town.  
[1691](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11678944&postcount=1691) “My elect vote is not a trust list. I don’t think it matters much who is leader at this point in the game. Seeing what they do with it though may provide data points.”  
[1719](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11682292&postcount=1719) and [1720](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11682295&postcount=1720) - criticizes USCDiver’s criticism of Chronos for bringing in the program; NETAs to vote USCDiver for his “me too” on Chronos plus the program issue.  
[1721](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11682320&postcount=1721) - unvotes USCDiver (with wrong color ink), having not found anything scummy in his other posts. [note: though these three posts are sequential, there was a half-hour gap between 1720 and 1721]  
[1722](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11682353&postcount=1722) - “We all need to think about the ramifications of a politician being in the game, combined with the leader mechanism.”  
[1741](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11683097&postcount=1741) - fixes color error on unvote  
[1743](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11683127&postcount=1743) - fluff  
[1788](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11686460&postcount=1788) - “What would following this plan achieve?” [Drain Bead’s “lynch me” plan]  
[1856](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11690970&postcount=1856) "Right now I would be OK with lynching DB or Chronos. I think that the Chronos lynch gives us more information. "  
[1872](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11692696&postcount=1872) - re information is thinking of Tom Scud’s impassioned defense of Chronos.

Notes: I was wrong here; I’d had an impression of someone skating along and using tl;dr as an excuse to throw in some late bandwagon votes and otherwise not contribute.

Instead, he contributed substantially to the Daphne discussion, and his vote/unvote on USCDiver shows some independence of bandwagons. Not having an end day vote on record would normally be pretty scummy; in this case, I think his reasoning has been fairly solid on that ground. I’m still nervous about the magic bag, but given that he’s been reasonably townie otherwise, I’m okay with that.

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**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1888 "2009-10-23T16:43:42Z")

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Apologies all for the shameless plug.

New game starting on idlemafia being run by me of all people 😃

One slot remaining. Boozy, I dare you 😉

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**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1889 "2009-10-23T16:58:34Z")

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On-the-job fires are quenched for now, and I’m sort of caught up for this week.

**Unvote No Lynch**

> [@tiltawhirl](#):
>
> Apparently my preferred style of play is to choose which bandwagons to climb on and which not. Since analysis is not my forte apparently, I’ll guess I’ll have to embrace my nature as a low-information voter. I will be away for most of today, so I would like to put a marker down.

So you openly admit to playing Follow the Crowd. I find that technique has landed me in trouble before. Maybe you have a better way to play it than I do?

> [@Drain\_Bead](#):
>
> In fact, to make this more likely to happen…
> 
> **[]unvote Chronos**[/]  
> **[]vote Tom Scud**[/]

And you didn’t even vote for yourself until a later post. **Drain Bead** , why do you want to be lynched so desperately? Are you a Jester role, who wins by being lynched?

> [@CatInASuit](#):
>
> I’ve thought about it overnight
> 
> Brief case against Chronos  
> Policy vote on Day 1 is a null tell  
> Going constantly after soft roleclaims although not consistently looks really bad  
> Big picture thinking, but no real analysis. Unusual to say the least  
> Action at the end of Day 2 with the role claims and lack of tactical voting. Hmm.
> 
> I think its the lack of analysis and the soft claim pursuit which is telling.
> 
> Brief case against Drain Bead.  
> The Lie Detector obfuscation, is anti-town  
> Initial trial by vig suggestion looks bad  
> Being touchy for people voting for her + mis-characterisation later on - well who isn’t but mischaracterisation is bad.  
> Actions at End of Day 2 - not sure on this one  
> Twice asking to be lynched - anti-town
> 
> I’m not really seeing the issue with Drain Bead’s voting at the end of Day 2 seeing as Freudian Slit’s votes went down afterwards and she was voting for the person she thought was scummiest. I’m really not sure what to make of her play, because it is more anti-town than anything, which doesn’t necessarily mean scum I guess.

We’re close to the deadline, so the lynch is all but certain to be one of these. But the two cases don’t persuade me.

> [@Drain\_Bead](#):
>
> So we’re 8-3, with only 3 active players left not voting, correct?
> 
> Even if all 3 voted for me, we’re still 8-6. I think it’s time for **Chronos** to claim, sooner rather than later, so that those who have yet to vote can make a choice, and those who have already voted can potentially switch.

And so Drain tries to force Chronos into claiming. It seems to me that claiming should be the player’s own call.

> [@Chronos](#):
>
> A vanilla Town.

The weakest claim possible – but I claimed Ordinary Survivor in Lost Mafia, and that helped convince people to look elsewhere. (It didn’t help. Survivors got killed on a bad assumption.)

Based mainly on Drain Bead pushing Chronos to claim:

**Vote Drain Bead**

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**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1890 "2009-10-23T17:08:13Z")

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We had 13 hours of silence here today. That sounds like voters for **Chronos** are happy to leave their vote there even after his claim.

I don’t want to decide who gets lynched tonight but it’s only fair that, if there’s a last-minute swing, my inertia doesn’t get it the way.

**Unvote**  
**vote Brain Bead**

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**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1891 "2009-10-23T17:13:13Z")

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Still 9-6 on Chronos.

While we’re waiting – did anybody receive any General Store merchandise last Night? I didn’t see any mention of anything being received.

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1892 "2009-10-23T17:13:58Z")

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I think that leaves AllWalker as our only non-voter.

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**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1893 "2009-10-23T17:15:41Z")

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> [@GuiriEnEspana](#):
>
> We had 13 hours of silence here today. That sounds like voters for **Chronos** are happy to leave their vote there even after his claim.

Who changes a vote after a vanilla claim?

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**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1894 "2009-10-23T17:26:59Z")

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> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#):
>
> Who changes a vote after a vanilla claim?

People did just that, in Lost.

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1895 "2009-10-23T17:29:42Z")

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The half dozen people who did so on Day One regarding **Drain Bead**? But then nobody’s been stepping forward to say Scum probably wouldn’t claim vanilla, this time around. **Chronos** isn’t fighting as hard, either.

@ **Ben** : **Alka** stole berynium from **gryff** , confirmed by the latter. (That it was now missing, at least.)

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1896 "2009-10-23T17:32:46Z")

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Also that was Day One, when people didn’t have a whole lot to go on anyway.

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**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1897 "2009-10-23T17:36:07Z")

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tick…tick…tick…ding…

Maybe Today was Scum stirring the pot? When will the card flip up?

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1898 "2009-10-23T17:38:33Z")

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Next hour or so; I can’t remember exactly.

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**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1899 "2009-10-23T17:38:50Z")

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_The waiting is the hardest part  
Every day you see one more card  
You take it on faith, you take it to the heart  
The waiting is the hardest part_

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1900 "2009-10-23T17:39:16Z")

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Alka voted at 12:34 yesterday, so it’s whenever pede or mahaloth gets around to it.

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