# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1921 "2009-10-23T18:28:38Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Practically a 3-way tie, IIRC. **jpei** himself, **Drain Bead** and I think **peeker**. I believe the **BillMc** thing didn’t pick up steam until afterwards. Interesting. Yeah, I think at this point I’m totally off the Drain Bead wagon. > [@](#): > > Boozy already looked fine IMO; I can’t see him being Scum unless **Alka** also is, and that’s a risky play with one Scum already down. But yeah, sure. I’m thinking of Gueri’s WIFOM argument; others (incl. OaOW) have also commented about how they really can’t consider Boozy/Alka town yet. How’s that Gueri wall coming along btw? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1922 "2009-10-23T18:31:38Z")
Go Scum! Might as well spoil me, mods. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1923 "2009-10-23T18:37:45Z")
All right, I was getting worried Chronos was playing different and I glad it wasn’t just in my head. Nice work town! I am a little curious about the two people who tried to derail Chronos’ lynch there at the end bad scum play or nervous townies? by the way I haven’t gone back and look to see who it was but it might be a place to look. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1924 "2009-10-23T18:38:26Z")
LoL Chronos. **Guiri** WoW is coming along, but I’m slower than molasses with these things. Up to post 1100 or so. I should stop flipping back and forth between this thread and seeing whether I have a PM from **CIAS** yet (the IdleMafia game just starting) and get to work. I’ll put up whatever I have in an hour or two. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1925 "2009-10-23T18:38:46Z")
NETA: It was Guri and Ben both of which voted for Drain. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1926 "2009-10-23T18:48:27Z")
Anyway, going back to my Drain Bead case, the thing that had tipped me over to voting her was the fact that (a) she also didn’t strategic-vote during the Thing Fish lynch and (b) she then was willing to use non-strategic-voting as a part of her case against Chronos. I’m willing now to accept her explanation that she thought Daphne and Freudian were tied at the time she left (the mods had typo’d in their last vote count before Drain’s last post of Night 2 and had Daphne with 3 votes (actually, 32), when she actually had 2). Other than that, I still think she misrepresented the case against her in [1105](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11644818&postcount=1105), but OMGUS is a powerful force, and I was probably not entirely fair to peeker’s case against me, either. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1927 "2009-10-23T19:02:49Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Anyway, going back to my Drain Bead case, the thing that had tipped me over to voting her was the fact that (a) she also didn’t strategic-vote during the Thing Fish lynch and (b) she then was willing to use non-strategic-voting as a part of her case against Chronos. > > I’m willing now to accept her explanation that she thought Daphne and Freudian were tied at the time she left (the mods had typo’d in their last vote count before Drain’s last post of Night 2 and had Daphne with 3 votes (actually, 32), when she actually had 2). > > Other than that, I still think she misrepresented the case against her in [1105](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11644818&postcount=1105), but OMGUS is a powerful force, and I was probably not entirely fair to peeker’s case against me, either. It’s not just OMGUS. I’m now even more concerned that you were so happy to save **Chronos** by attempting to restart the case against me. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1928 "2009-10-23T19:05:44Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > It’s not just OMGUS. I’m now even more concerned that you were so happy to save **Chronos** by attempting to restart the case against me. I’m talking about post 1105, when you complained that Normal had re-started her case against you citing your refusal to personally claim an alignment. Which was not true of Normal’s post #1022, which was her main prosecution post of Day 2 against you. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1929 "2009-10-23T19:10:38Z")
Nerous townie checking in her. Well done guys, I really didn’t see a strong case against him ans wasn’t convinced of the one against Draiin either. Not wanting to get heat for not voting strategically, I moved my vote from the previously inactive **Scuba** (who just happened to turn up) to **Drain** who had given up on her “death by Mods” ploy. Yeah, nervous townie. As I’d previously expressed, when the vast majority had spoken out against **Chronos** and no-one defended him (and I did NOT defend him, just stated my fear of another **Thing Fish** type error), I got the feeling that he must be town or third party. I suck. No defense for a roleblocker at all from the scum team (or even self-defense) is serious WIFOM unless **Drain** is equally important to them… ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1930 "2009-10-23T19:12:14Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > No defense for a roleblocker at all from the scum team (or even self-defense) is serious WIFOM unless **Drain** is equally important to them… Scum are fully capable of figuring out which way the wind is blowing. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1931 "2009-10-23T19:43:20Z")
More thoughts: I was thinking of doing a mini-WoW on Scuba, but really [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11669802&postcount=1566)is enough to make me think we ought to look elsewhere. If you’re a scum with fifteen posts, do you use one of them to highlight a three-player list containing (1) a near-as-confirmed townie and (2) at least 1 scum teammate? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1932 "2009-10-23T20:00:04Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > NETA: It was Guri and Ben both of which voted for Drain. If I’d been paying attention all week, as I should have been… who knows? > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > More thoughts: I was thinking of doing a mini-WoW on Scuba, but really [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11669802&postcount=1566)is enough to make me think we ought to look elsewhere. > > If you’re a scum with fifteen posts, do you use one of them to highlight a three-player list containing (1) a near-as-confirmed townie and (2) at least 1 scum teammate? There’s little point in doing a post analysis on me when probably half my content is “I’m behind and can’t catch up” and the other half of my content exists in two posts (of which that is one, and the other is my 12:58 PM EDT today). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1933 "2009-10-23T20:17:10Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > All right, I was getting worried Chronos was playing different and I glad it wasn’t just in my head. Nice work town! > > I am a little curious about the two people who tried to derail Chronos’ lynch there at the end bad scum play or nervous townies? by the way I haven’t gone back and look to see who it was but it might be a place to look. I’m thinking nervous Townies; if you’re trying to build momentum to derail a lynch (and they would have needed to get 2 more people to switch), the time to do it isn’t half an hour before the lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1934 "2009-10-23T20:18:12Z")
That is, 2 people to switch, as the two in question didn’t switch their votes from Chronos to Drain; they switched from either No Lynch or a singleton vote. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1935 "2009-10-23T20:27:51Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I’m thinking nervous Townies; if you’re trying to build momentum to derail a lynch (and they would have needed to get 2 more people to switch), the time to do it isn’t half an hour before the lynch. And there’s this: > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I@ **Chronos** You’re very eager to end the day, itching for your first night kill? > > Scum must be getting pretty concerned with us townfolk having 3 more days to suss you out. An outrageous smudge at the time - even **Thing Fish** defended him. In hindsight it turns out he WAS itching for his first nightkill and wanted Day 1 to end as soon as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1936 "2009-10-23T20:35:03Z")
Here’s my WoW on **Guiri** from point of substitution (haven’t looked at **Nanook** ’s post to end of Day Two. I have no time right now for any serious analysis, but I’m getting the following impressions: – slightly nervous player; higher than average amount of “hope this doesn’t make me look bad” stuff – (especially Day One) willing to poke people without much concern for consistency. For example, at one point she defended **Chronos** vote on **OAOW** , then later when **Chronos** brought up the end-of-Day vote-change FOS thing post **jpei** claim, she asked him if he was eager to get to his night-kills. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it stands out. – very much into speculation and WIFOM scenarios – a little weird regarding the **Daphne** bandwagon Day Two; swung back and forth on level of suspicion/validity of bandwagon several times. I find this sort of thing inherently suspicious, but can’t find a Scum motive in this case, as the pattern was already established pre-claim. – revoted **Thing Fish** after unvoting him post-first-claim; to be fair, this was prior to his clarification, and the reasoning she gave was both plausible and consistent – as regards **Jimmy** and **Chronos** interactions: Not much. Got a poke from **Jimmy** to explain why she retained **Nanook** ’s vote on **peeker** ; and the things mentioned above about **Chronos**. That’s it through Day Two, IIRC. To sum up, I see more clearly why I wanted to do WoW on **Guiri** in the first place, but there’s no smoking gun. I think the late vote for **Drain Bead** today is actually a point in her favor – Scum had no reason other than a bizarre sort of WIFOM to do such a thing; there was no chance **Chronos** would survive. Day One [spoiler][531:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11613923#post11613923) thanks for welcome, is Town aligned, will need to re-read [558:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11615538#post11615538) keeps vote on **peeker** (no explanation) [596:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11616847#post11616847) (poked by **Jimmy** to explain vote) Sorry for newbie mistake, gave no reasoning because it’s been hard to catch up. **peeker** ’s early and ambiguous vote seemed good choice for lynching. References PMs from Hoopy’s game as reason **peeker** ’s claim wasn’t as ambiguous as previously thought, though timing remains dubious. Not dubious enough to keep vote on claimed doc, though. (unvotes) Likely just **Jimmy** casting about for reasons to “suspect” someone, but could conceivably have been an intra-Scum reminder in the “may as well point this out in public since it’ll make me look good” mode. [615:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11617213#post11617213) not sure about **AllWalker** voting **Chronos** (to start the countdown); was impressed with **Chronos** persistence in re: **OAOW**. If **Chronos** is Scum, wouldn’t more join in? Don’t Scum have chit-chat somewhere? [642:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11618374#post11618374) ( **Tom** nags non-voters) Almost afraid to vote, votes **jpei** because of anti-Town actions and lack of contribution to Scum search [691](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11620377#post11620377) (in response to **jpei** ’s claim and role use) basically fluff for the sake of an unvote, but needles **jpei** on 3-day silence [695:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11620397#post11620397) mod question on Day end [703](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11620488#post11620488) (response to **Thing Fish** ) not assuming **jpei** is Town, just giving him room to breathe while mods confirm claim and so forth [710:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11620568#post11620568) looking for “Mafia rule book”, didn’t know editing wasn’t allowed [751:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11623081#post11623081) notices the single-item “list” in **Jpei** ’s PM, needles **Chronos** about wanting the day to end – eager for Night kill? Scum must be getting concerned with the extended Day. I’m not sure what it means, but this is slightly curious coming from someone who was praising **Chronos** not too long ago. [834:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11627584#post11627584) **Jpei** ’s claim and actions all make sense now. Still thinks **AllWalker** ’s vote on **Chronos** was dubious. Doesn’t much like **jpei** ’s bandwagon vote on **Bill** though, either; aren’t such things Scum ploys. No clue how to vote now that **Bill** has 8 votes and hers (his?) won’t really matter. Okay, so I’m beginning to notice a pattern of poking people irrespective of stated opinions regarding their other actions. Not necessarily a bad thing, but certainly makes it hard to get a read on what **Guiri** really thinks. [851:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11629258#post11629258) ( **AllWalker** wants the “dubious” thing explained) Would have expected leader’s vote to either confirm one of the leading candidates or to set a new trend and gain followers; yet the **Chronos** vote went nowhere, so was wasted. Was there some other motive, then? And do **AllWalker** ’s repeated references to “stone” mean anything? Needled **Chronos** hoping to get a useful reaction, but nothing – not sure Scum, but up there among the candidates. Also points out that **AllWalker** ’s angry reaction to **jpei** ’s claim was a poor reason to remove his vote from **Chronos**. So dubious. I’m not sure what to think about this post. It’s sort of all over the place. **AllWalker** ’s votes weren’t exactly dubious, IMO, but it is worth noting that he did “waste” his leader vote in some sense, and that his conviction re: **Chronos** ’ guilt was apparently not strong. On the other hand, this entire post gives off a vibe of wanting to have things both ways: it’s strongly provoking of **AllWalker** (and tangentially of **Chronos** ) yet backs off just short of full commitment. [855:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11629331#post11629331) doesn’t think **AllWalker** is scummy and didn’t mean to single him out, was just as aside that popped out in discussing **jpei**. Also questioned **jpei** , obviously issues with authority. Expected leader’s vote to have more effect; questions “stone” thing again. [864:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11630140#post11630140) defends “smudge” of **Chronos** over day-end comment (questioned by **Thing Fish** ), says will keep head down, as recent comments may have put her in the wrong light [865:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11630285#post11630285) Votes **ColdPhoenix** (now **ScubaBen** ) based on **Oredigger’s** reasoning; prefers it to **Bill** bandwagon as a LtL option due to **ColdPhoenix** presenting a Doc counterclaim against **peeker** as a good thing. [869:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11630424#post11630424)vote-format correction [871:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11630476#post11630476) description of movie; screamers impersonate real people[/spoiler] Night One [spoiler][881](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11631122#post11631122) mod question: strategy at night? [885,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11631218#post11631218) [886](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11631237#post11631237), [887:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11631240#post11631240) fluff; clear **Bill** just didn’t have time to post [930:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11637010#post11637010) longish post clarifying day-end preferences expressed on Day One, in response to criticism of **AllWalker** by **CIAS**. Conclusion: **CIAS** wasn’t quite correct, but had a point. [931:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11637019&postcount=931) sorry, still have to figure out spoilers; previous post “probably means nothing” but must be important to **AllWalker** if he brought it up [933:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11637068&postcount=933) teasing **AllWalker** – can hold **BillMc** vote against him, even if not leadership! [/spoiler] Day Two [spoiler][971:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11638758&postcount=971) doesn’t get **texcat** kill; are Scum doing lynch the lurker? [991:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11638983&postcount=991) clarifies – can’t see why Scum or SK would target **texcat** at all when there were other town-aligned role claims out there. Maybe a paranoid gun owner or bomb? Elects **Boozy** as being likely Town. [1027:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11640520#post11640520) (In response to **Diver** and **Daphne** asking why she assumes **Texcat** was killed by Scum) clarifies again she couldn’t figure out why **texcat** was killed, that it was unlikely she was targeted by Scum. Points out her second post saying **texcat** might have died recruiting, something **AllWalker** brought up later as well. Hopes she’s explained herself well. [1102:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11644709&postcount=1102) instinct good enough reason for vote? Following up on **amrussell** analysis of **Daphne** , some “curious” posts – wondered if **Daphne** recognized teammates’ names among the not-misspelled in the voting lists; pointed out “slip” regarding a hypothetical Scum leader doing something Scummy being “great”; and a series of interactions with **Gryff** around the time of his claim that went from FOS to defense in four posts. Also appears to have thought **Daphne** deliberately ignored an earlier post of hers (his?) in order to make her look worse. [1104:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11644709&postcount=1104) clarifies what was meant by “slip” [1138:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11644709&postcount=1138) welcome to **Scuba Ben** ; speculates **Gryff** ’s gifts may be intended for only one person [1152:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11649198&postcount=1152)retracts argument against **Daphne** , was clutching at straws. Speculates at post restriction on leaders due to all three being quiet once “elected”. Gives opinion on Day end. [1157:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11649727&postcount=1157) Where’s **Freudian**? [1177:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11651296&postcount=1177) Questions the color associated with **gryff** ’s role. [1192:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1192) characterizes the recent posts regarding **Daphne** as looking like Scum setting up a bandwagon. Four posts (from **Thing Fish** , **Alka** , **Amrussell** and **Guiri** herself) expressing various levels of doubt without voting, followed by two actual votes (from **Drain Bead** and **Gryff** ). Says she’s still suspicious but not convinced, but guesses instinct isn’t good enough for a vote since nobody responded to that question. Interesting post, considering who’s been confirmed as or suggested (by events & claims) to be Town since this point, but it’s a good point nonetheless. I’m slightly bothered by the “remains suspicious” part, which is a mild contradiction of the previous post on **Daphne** , which suggested she had dropped her suspicion. [1192:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1192) thanks **peeker** for saying that instinct is in fact very useful; was afraid if she voted with insufficient reasoning it wouldn’t encourage anyone else to follow along. Won’t follow her instinct re: **Daphne** since **Daphne** was brave enough to encourage her to; mentions to **Chronos** about having read too much into **gryff** ’s color. This also pings me a little – there’s a weird little back and forth regarding **Daphne** that I can’t easily account for. **Daphne** hasn’t claimed yet, so it’s not that; and it started before **Guiri** brought up the “scum bandwagon” thing, so it’s not that either. [1235](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1192) mod question re: **Freudian** [1249:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1249) **jpei** thought **Freudian** was Scum; her silence is strange, has she been muffled by Scum teammates? **Daphne** ’s lack of reveal re: **Freudian** findings seems anti-Town [1273:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1273) reveals mod response to PM asking for clarification of **Freudian** ’s status; votes **FS** on basis of her being scummy Day one and now not participating; would rather vote her than maybe mislynch **Daphne** or someone else [1350:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1350) enumerates inactive players [1368:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1368) unvotes, votes **Boozy** as part of **Alka** ’s claim [1375,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1375) [1377:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1377) asks if **Boozy** ’s title is correct, and if Government Tax Collector is a Scum or Town role, given it doesn’t seem very friendly to steal stuff; acknowledges crosspost with **Alka’s** confirmation and unvotes [1378:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1378) **Alka** / **Boozy** trying for WIFOM here? [1394:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1394) Megacorp detail is plus for **Alka** ’s claim; problem spelling berynium is negative. Suggests either **Alka** or **Boozy** may need to be lynched to test the claim. I’m a little pinged by this too, but it might well be my own prejudice regarding not liking to worry much about long-shot WIFOM until much later in a game. Seems counter-productive to shoot at zebras when there are still so many potential horses running around. [1422:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1422) (response to **peeker** FOS on “weak sauce” **FS** voters) Not included in that FOS since she unvoted, but not anti-Town to vote for someone who’s been absent so long, since at worst it doesn’t really hurt Town if she dies. Does summary of claims, naming 13 unclaimed players (excluding self) in which to most probably find all the Scum and possible third parties. Agrees with case against **Thing Fish** , votes **Thing Fish**. Mentions **Thing Fish** having kicked off suspicion against **Daphne** again and reiterates continuing suspicion about **gryff** despite claim and so on. [1426:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1426) (response to **Daphne** saying a reveal about **FS** would not be pro-Town) what about alignment only? Wouldn’t that be helpful? [1448:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1448) requests **Thing Fish** claim or other defense to come soon if it’s going to come, since she’s in Europe and won’t be able to unvote. Requests next Leader not to vote near midnight EST. [1451:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1451) fluff [1460:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1460) unvotes **Thing Fish** post (first) claim; goes through roles again. Speculates politician might not be able to vote for leader ( **OAOW** ). Would politician be Town or Scum? [1474:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652400&postcount=1474) enumerates remaining non-voters, re-votes **Thing Fish** on basis of delayed claim, unverifiable self-protect, and failure to protect **jpei** Night One.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![tiltawhirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@tiltawhirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiltawhirl)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1937 "2009-10-23T20:38:03Z")
Finally, a good lynch. 🙂 > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > So you openly admit to playing Follow the Crowd. I find that technique has landed me in trouble before. Maybe you have a better way to play it than I do? I meant to say that I have been focused on current the vote leaders, not that I haven’t put a good portion of consideration into each of my votes. YesterDay I got into the discussion a bit more, and hope to be more active in the scum hunt Day 4. . ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1938 "2009-10-23T20:46:42Z")
Just to add to Normal’s post on Guiri, Nanook had basically 2 substantial posts: [251](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11595900&postcount=251) elects Tom Scud, think OAOW shouldn’t claim. [380](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11605306&postcount=380) thinks votes on jpei are dumb; votes peeker for being over-aggressive. Which really doesn’t reflect at all on **Guiri** - I mean, the peeker thing could by trying to help build a wagon, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1939 "2009-10-23T21:16:04Z")
And since I’m probably going to be getting some heat tomorrow, some pre-emptive questions: 1 - Why did I (1) declare my intention to vote for Chronos during night 2 and (2) actually place the first vote on him on day 3? 2 - Why did Chronos vote for me early-ish in day 2, tying me among the vote leaders? 3 - Why did I spend several posts defending Peeker from CatinaSuit’s argument that jimmy tried to save him from the vig and thus peeker must have been jimmy’s scum buddy? 4 - Why did Jimmy snuggle me so publicly on Day 1? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/1940 "2009-10-23T21:28:08Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Here’s my WoW on **Guiri** from point of substitution (haven’t looked at **Nanook** ’s post to end of Day Two. I have no time right now for any serious analysis, but I’m getting the following impressions: > > – slightly nervous player; higher than average amount of “hope this doesn’t make me look bad” stuff > – (especially Day One) willing to poke people without much concern for consistency. For example, at one point she defended **Chronos** vote on **OAOW** , then later when **Chronos** brought up the end-of-Day vote-change FOS thing post **jpei** claim, she asked him if he was eager to get to his night-kills. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it stands out. > – very much into speculation and WIFOM scenarios > – a little weird regarding the **Daphne** bandwagon Day Two; swung back and forth on level of suspicion/validity of bandwagon several times. I find this sort of thing inherently suspicious, but can’t find a Scum motive in this case, as the pattern was already established pre-claim. > – revoted **Thing Fish** after unvoting him post-first-claim; to be fair, this was prior to his clarification, and the reasoning she gave was both plausible and consistent > – as regards **Jimmy** and **Chronos** interactions: Not much. Got a poke from **Jimmy** to explain why she retained **Nanook** ’s vote on **peeker** ; and the things mentioned above about **Chronos**. That’s it through Day Two, IIRC. > > To sum up, I see more clearly why I wanted to do WoW on **Guiri** in the first place, but there’s no smoking gun. I think the late vote for **Drain Bead** today is actually a point in her favor – Scum had no reason other than a bizarre sort of WIFOM to do such a thing; there was no chance **Chronos** would survive. I think this is a fair representation of my play so far. My only objection would be that I’m a “he” :). This is my first mafia game and the first thing that seemed logical to me was to suspect everyone and everything. I think that comes out quite clearly from the WoW but I also realize that approx. 3/4 of us are Town so maintaining a constant level of suspicion on everyone probably isn’t going to get me much townie trust I think I’ve explained a couple of times why I didn’t vote for **Chronos** and believe I never defended him, just questioned the reasoning behind the votes While I have been suspicious since Day 1, I felt I couldn’t base a vote on the same reasoning (I’d no idea of his usual play style, I’d no problem with posting his program, and I was equally guilty of **Thing** ’s mislynch). Instinct alone isn’t enough and I didn’t want to lynch another Townie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=96) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=98)