# Screw France **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2003, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792 "2003-02-04T21:28:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/81 "2003-02-06T02:28:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by d\_redguy \* > \*\*years back. So come on now. “Racist”? > > In regards to “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”: It was funny when Homer said it. Homer Simpson is a highly-trained professional moron. Do not attempt these stunts at home. Or on message boards. > > And Dammit **Buck**! Ya beat me to it!😛 \*\* No, Groundskeeper Willy said it. And I’m eating cheese right now. Provolone. Yum. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/82 "2003-02-06T02:37:54Z")
Y’know, I think **Gary** might illustrate why this issue keeps cropping up, and why the divide on it seems to split right down the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. See, in the States, race is seperate from nationality. My nationality is American. My race is caucasian. Part of the humor in making fun of the French is that it’s a white person making fun of other white people. To most Americans, the idea is absurd on its surface, and has clear connotations of actually mocking bigotry by taking it to a ridiculous extreme. However, this is an international forum, and posters should remember take into account how other people will interpret what would be, in their own circles, a harmless joke. By that same token, it’d be nice if our European cousins could remember that we’re coming from a different frame of reference, and cut us a little bit of slack on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/83 "2003-02-06T03:15:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh, God yes. I bet she didn’t wear underpants. Funny you mention that. She used to wear this little white sweater. Well, in France, apparently il fait froid. I’ll throw my name in the Laetia Casta pool. Does she know we are giving her away? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/84 "2003-02-06T05:21:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*No, Groundskeeper Willy said it. > \*\* But Homer will always have the excellent quote This is the last time you’re gonna slap your Willy around! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/85 "2003-02-06T05:33:42Z")
Actually, given **Twisty** and **Jimm** ’s rabid attacks on us Yanks, I say it’s time for a jihad against the Irish! ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/86 "2003-02-06T05:35:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \* > Can I fuck Laetitia Casta? > > Please? > > Pretty please? > > Pretty please with a well-aged fromage and a glass of Bourdeaux magnum? You do realize that’s not what you put inside her … y’know … _there_, right?😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/87 "2003-02-06T06:57:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > \*\*However, this is an international forum, and posters should remember take into account how other people will interpret what would be, in their own circles, a harmless joke. By that same token, it’d be nice if our European cousins could remember that we’re coming from a different frame of reference, and cut us a little bit of slack on this issue. \*\* Miller, I like you I really do. But bearing in mind that this is an international forum, do you really wonder why people might just react angrily to sweeping insults and stereotyped jokes at another countries expense? To give example, if I start routinely posting comments about Americans being burger-eating fat fucks, or ignorant hicks with tv addictions, how do you reckon you might react. If I post an OP called “Screw America”, saying your country is an enemy of the EU and should be labelled a terrorist nation, how do you reckon you might react. I can practically guarantee that pretty much all of the posters who have here jumped on the anti-french comments would just as quickly jump on such anti-US statements. So with the best will in the world, its no more harmless a joke than any other form of racism, and damned if I will cut slack on it. Sorry, and no offence. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/88 "2003-02-06T09:04:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*Actually, given **Twisty** and **Jimm** ’s rabid attacks on us Yanks, I say it’s time for a jihad against the Irish! \*\* What absolute twaddle. Cite? I’ll give you vehement attacks on US policy, media, and politicians, but I challenge you to find something of the same calibre as “CESM” and “screw France” - I don’t hate your country or your people, just your current politicians, and I _wish_ you’d get that into your head, Mr Overdefensive. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/89 "2003-02-06T10:37:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gary Kumquat \* > \*\*Miller, I like you I really do. But bearing in mind that this is an international forum, do you really wonder why people might just react angrily to sweeping insults and stereotyped jokes at another countries expense? > > To give example, if I start routinely posting comments about Americans being burger-eating fat fucks, or ignorant hicks with tv addictions, how do you reckon you might react. > > If I post an OP called “Screw America”, saying your country is an enemy of the EU and should be labelled a terrorist nation, how do you reckon you might react. > > I can practically guarantee that pretty much all of the posters who have here jumped on the anti-french comments would just as quickly jump on such anti-US statements. > > So with the best will in the world, its no more harmless a joke than any other form of racism, and damned if I will cut slack on it. Sorry, and no offence. \*\* Well put. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/90 "2003-02-06T11:06:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Actually, given Twisty and Jimm’s rabid attacks on us Yanks, I say it’s time for a jihad against the Irish! It would be off the mark for two reasons: 1. Neither of us have ever launched rabid attacks against Americans. 2. Only one of us is Irish. I disagree with your government on alot of things, but I wouldn’t judge you on them. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/91 "2003-02-06T12:26:48Z")
Plus, it’s not nice to pick fights with drunks. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/92 "2003-02-06T12:59:06Z")
yeah, our shillileaghs have a temper. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/93 "2003-02-06T13:08:01Z")
Hell my temper has a temper. ---
**Author:** ![woolly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ebca7d/32.png) [@woolly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woolly)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/94 "2003-02-06T14:06:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Neurotik \* > Anyway, if the US has to surrender to any country, I prefer it to be Australia. That would be good times. Paul Hogan could be our president, and Steve Irwin could be Vice President. And Fosters beer and Outback steakhouses as far as the eye could see…aaaah, that would glorious. 😃 Please tell me that I’ve been whooshed … haven’t I … please! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/95 "2003-02-06T14:23:15Z")
Whooshed how? The only mistake I might have made is that Yahoo Serious might be our president instead of Paul Hogan. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/96 "2003-02-06T14:41:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Neurotik \* > \*\*Whooshed how? The only mistake I might have made is that Yahoo Serious might be our president instead of Paul Hogan. \*\* Just as long as it’s not Pauline Hanson :eek: ---
**Author:** ![big\_alex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e56c9b/32.png) [@big\_alex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/big_alex)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/97 "2003-02-06T15:54:33Z")
It’s a lot easier to NOT surrender when there is a whole ocean or sea between you and the enemy! ---
**Author:** ![andymurph64](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e57/32.png) [@andymurph64](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andymurph64)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/98 "2003-02-06T15:56:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Neurotik: > Anyway, if the US has to surrender to any country, I prefer it to be Australia. That would be good times. Paul Hogan could be our president, and Steve Irwin could be Vice President. And Fosters beer and Outback steakhouses as far as the eye could see…aaaah, that would glorious. There was a thread on here in which Australians were amazed and poking fun at the ‘Outback Steakhouse’ menu. In fact, here it is: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108625&highlight=Outback+Steakhouse](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108625&highlight=Outback+Steakhouse) Also, I agree. If we surrender it should be to the Aussies! ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/99 "2003-02-06T17:03:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Doghouse Reilly \* > \*\*Just as long as it’s not Pauline Hanson :eek: \*\* :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Gorgon\_Heap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@Gorgon\_Heap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorgon_Heap)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792/100 "2003-02-06T18:25:35Z")
**Gary Kumquat** I honestly think what you used as an example is completely true and is how most other countries see us anyway, so I see no reason to get angry about it. My only problem with surrenduring to Australia would be I’d still be stuck in fridgid-ass New York. I say we only surrender if they are willing to take us all in. Or at least me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-france/152792.md?page=6)