# Screw Obama, Go Trump! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642 "2017-01-20T17:40:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/121 "2017-01-21T18:28:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > But back to left wing violence. before that lets remember that you are complaining to a poster there that it is indeed very polite, and you are only being an obtuse by ignoring that this is the pit. > [@octopus](#): > > There is no excuse to tolerate illiberal attitudes as part of the Democratic Party. It’s dangerous to do so. The lack of tolerance for liberty is scary. The ACLU and others recognize the left’s chilling move towards suppression of speech and ideas. Combine that with hooliganism and what do you think the law and order backlash will look like? IMHO this is like the bullshit that implies that Democrats and liberals approve of terrorists just because they point out that attacking the religion of an opponent is not the right way to approach the terrorist issue. And the ACLU will be much more busy with Trump and his goons. Overall I do remember that locally in Arizona [the efforts of the ACLU](http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/aclu-says-charge-arpaio-criminally-fine-him-300-000-8330668) helped unmask the abuse of power the clone of Trump, Joe Arpaio, got into. Voters finally got rid of the putz when it finally dawned on most voters that just getting their jollies on arresting minorities and undocumented people was not a good idea when the Arizona taxes were used also to hunt enemies that were not black or brown. [http://ijr.com/opinion/2015/04/243938-arizonas-sheriff-joe-arpaio-testified-court-dropped-bombshell-judges-wife/](http://ijr.com/opinion/2015/04/243938-arizonas-sheriff-joe-arpaio-testified-court-dropped-bombshell-judges-wife/) > [@](#): > > The sheriff could face fines if he’s found in contempt of court for his acknowledged violations of the injunction and two other orders issued in a racial-profiling case that Arpaio eventually lost. Rank-and-file officers who were never told about the injunction violated [sic] the order for about 18 months. > > Nevertheless, that’s not what rattled everyone who was present at the court hearing in downtown Phoenix. According to the Arizona Republic, the Sheriff admitted to U.S. District Judge G. Murray Snow that he hired a private investigator to investigate Snow’s wife. It is what usually happens when electing people that speaks to the bad angels of your nature. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/122 "2017-01-21T18:41:39Z")
I forgot to add: Do not ever forget that Joe Arpaio and Donald Trump decided to mutually join hips during their runs to their offices. **Trump already knew all what Arpaio was doing and still he did not care.** (and most of the media did not hunt Trump for that association while even an innuendo of an association made Obama leave his church and repudiate controversial people) The moral here though is that Trump is indeed the kind of guy that will attempt to follow the desires of putting the undesirables of the right in their places, but more often will also affect negatively a lot of the people that thought that it was a good idea to vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/123 "2017-01-21T20:30:52Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Doubling down on identity politics, I see. Don’t ever change. So… What’s the answer to my question? ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/124 "2017-01-21T22:08:50Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > So… What’s the answer to my question? Why would I entertain a non-serious question? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/125 "2017-01-21T22:14:26Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Why would I entertain a non-serious question? :rolleyes: Why don’t you think it’s serious? I was very careful to list demographics who have already been actually negatively impacted by Trump’s promises or advisors, precisely because of the possibility of dismissal on “identity politics” grounds. Because it’s in the Pit? I can ask on Elections if you like. Do you think those demographics are happy with Trump? If so, cite? Or do you think it just doesn’t matter what those kinds of people do or think? Not that you’d say so even if you thought so, of course. Though it would be kind of refreshing… ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/126 "2017-01-21T22:24:34Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Hey, I just realized that you guys are really helping to save money here in Trump’s term. > > He’s going to be able to build the entire wall out of the bricks you libs are shitting on a daily basis. Why would that save money for us? He’s already told us that Mexico will be paying for the wall, right? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/127 "2017-01-21T22:28:36Z")
Bought bricks _from_ Mexico, never thought about trying to sell them any. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/128 "2017-01-21T22:48:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > But since that seems to be the MO of the political culture of this forum it’s illustrative to engage in some of that same behavior to hopefully teach empathy to the other side. Look at the hypocrisy concerning inflammatory posting if it’s done by someone who’s right of center. Many on the left, not all, whine and cry and want to ban and suppress those posters while those whining post even nastier comments. It’s pure hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty. Except you can’t actually think this would work. “I’m going to be a giant dick to liberals, and that will hurt their feelings, and suddenly they’ll wake up and not be such giant dicks?” Did your experience of liberals being giant dicks to you teach you empathy, and make you decide not to be a giant dick? No, you say right here that experiencing mean behavior hurt your feelings, and so you decided that the best way to handle it was to try your hardest to hurt other people’s feelings. But you didn’t do that because you wanted to teach them that hurting people’s feelings is wrong, did you? No, you did it because you don’t like them and want to hurt their feelings, and hurting them–to the extent that unkind words on a message board can really hurt them–is your goal. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/129 "2017-01-21T23:02:15Z")
> [@Enter\_the\_Flagon](#): > > One of the most tenured and knowledgeable posters on the board, driven away by the insanity that is the emergence of Trump and his supporters. Holy fuck. > > Come to think of it, it kind of works as a metaphor for our projected national experience. I liked him and can think of plenty of people who should have gone, instead. Why do ya think my own “attendance” here is so intermittent??? I don’t have a lot of patience anymore. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/130 "2017-01-21T23:10:48Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Hey, I just realized that you guys are really helping to save money here in Trump’s term. > > He’s going to be able to build the entire wall out of the bricks you libs are shitting on a daily basis. You usually piss me off, but that was funny 😃 ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/131 "2017-01-21T23:56:47Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Except you can’t actually think this would work. “I’m going to be a giant dick to liberals, and that will hurt their feelings, and suddenly they’ll wake up and not be such giant dicks?” > > Did your experience of liberals being giant dicks to you teach you empathy, and make you decide not to be a giant dick? No, you say right here that experiencing mean behavior hurt your feelings, and so you decided that the best way to handle it was to try your hardest to hurt other people’s feelings. > > But you didn’t do that because you wanted to teach them that hurting people’s feelings is wrong, did you? No, you did it because you don’t like them and want to hurt their feelings, and hurting them–to the extent that unkind words on a message board can really hurt them–is your goal. Not at all. It’s to demonstrate that unproductive discussion leads to more unproductive discussion and that productive discussion leads to productive discussion. If you look closely you’ll see that I can debate reasonably with the reasonable. But I have no obligation to be cordial to those who respond to points I make politely with ad hominem attacks. Whining about a counter punch is the height of hypocrisy. Furthermore, who is the real audience? You think the real audience are the unhinged who can’t help their vulgarity and hostility? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/132 "2017-01-22T00:00:34Z")
Well…personally speaking… ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/133 "2017-01-22T00:04:17Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Not at all. It’s to demonstrate that unproductive discussion leads to more unproductive discussion and that productive discussion leads to productive discussion. If you look closely you’ll see that I can debate reasonably with the reasonable. But I have no obligation to be cordial to those who respond to points I make politely with ad hominem attacks. Whining about a counter punch is the height of hypocrisy. > > Furthermore, who is the real audience? You think the real audience are the unhinged who can’t help their vulgarity and hostility? “To demonstrate”? Demonstrate to who? Yourself? You just said that people acted mean to you. Did that make you change your mind? It didn’t, did it? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/134 "2017-01-22T00:16:18Z")
This whole “tit for tat” model can’t work the way you want it to work. Yeah, I get the idea. You’re supposedly polite to people who are polite to you, and rude to people who are rude. Except life, and message board conversations, aren’t iterated prisoner’s dilemmas. When you act all rudely to someone who’s being rude, how are the onlookers supposed to keep track of who started the rudeness first? The fact is, acting like a giant dick doesn’t help you in any way, regardless of whether Timmy started it first. All it does is make Dad knock both your heads together while bellowing that he doesn’t care who started it, he’s finishing it. Seriously, this doesn’t work for eight year olds, and it certainly isn’t going to work for ostensible adults. And so my contention is that, despite your supposed justification of demonstrating that people who act like assholes get treated like assholes, your real motivation is that you just enjoy getting into arguments. ---
**Author:** ![D.E.S.K.Top668](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f07891/32.png) [@D.E.S.K.Top668](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D.E.S.K.Top668)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/135 "2017-01-22T01:47:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Right now, on my TV, Trump is a terrific dancer! Bet not many of you know that. I’ve been watching him dance around stuff (like questions about policies, his probably scam “university,” and other things) for months. His supporters haven’t noticed his dancing because he has all that gold furniture and stuff around him and all his supporters are easily distracted by “The Shiny” > [@running\_coach](#): > > From what I read it’s only specific pages. They also have new pages ready to go. > If those were intended to be replaced with Trump’s version, they should have just switched out, not go 404. He can’t tell you the specifics of the new pages yet, but they’re going to be the GREATEST web pages and they’ll be YYUUUGGGEE. Actually, its just going to redirect to (at random) either Breitbart, Twitter, or the “about:Russia” tourism page. Seriously, They’re probably going to gut the ACA without a replacement ready. Do you really think they care about The White House\* web site? \*_soon to be the Trump House Hotel and Casino for Foreign Dignitaries Who Want to Suck Up and Pay to Play_ ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/136 "2017-01-22T03:38:39Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > This whole “tit for tat” model can’t work the way you want it to work. Yeah, I get the idea. You’re supposedly polite to people who are polite to you, and rude to people who are rude. > > Except life, and message board conversations, aren’t iterated prisoner’s dilemmas. When you act all rudely to someone who’s being rude, how are the onlookers supposed to keep track of who started the rudeness first? > > The fact is, acting like a giant dick doesn’t help you in any way, regardless of whether Timmy started it first. All it does is make Dad knock both your heads together while bellowing that he doesn’t care who started it, he’s finishing it. > > Seriously, this doesn’t work for eight year olds, and it certainly isn’t going to work for ostensible adults. > > And so my contention is that, despite your supposed justification of demonstrating that people who act like assholes get treated like assholes, your real motivation is that you just enjoy getting into arguments. Exactly. of all the lame excuses for assholish behavior on this board, the lamest is, paraphrased: “That guy’s behavior is wrong and bad, and undermines his argument. But I’m going to behave exactly the same way, and that somehow validates _my_ argument.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/137 "2017-01-22T06:59:22Z")
Well, the Doper Tribe always has at least one position open for the Designated Smartass. You know, the guy who can tear some fresh asshole that you can enjoy but still give a tsk-tsk. I would volunteer, but I am but a timid woodland creature, foraging for nuts and berries, with no gift for invective or sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Savannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Savannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Savannah)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/138 "2017-01-22T19:11:24Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > Woohoo and Fuck yeah… > > Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out you lame duck shit stain. > > This is the greatest day in our country’s history in a long, long time… > > FUCKING FINALLY! > > All you Prog SJW Snowflakes need to go find your little safe spaces… Check back in four years and honestly assess his term. Honestly. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/139 "2017-01-22T19:19:02Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Exactly. of all the lame excuses for assholish behavior on this board, the lamest is, paraphrased: “That guy’s behavior is wrong and bad, and undermines his argument. But I’m going to behave exactly the same way, and that somehow validates _my_ argument.” Jeezus Fucking Christ Hell Yeah on that one… Butt given this is the Dope…most readers here will think I’m directing that barb at the obviously conservative jackassses that post here… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642/140 "2017-01-22T19:23:15Z")
Funny. First saw this with the username, and I realized I was wearing my Einstein smoking a pipe T-shirt, the one with colorful universes billowing forth from the smoke. Coincidence? Or maybe a hint of solidarity from Beyond, to an utter mathtard from a genius on Spacebook? Yeah, I’m going with that one, what the heck… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-obama-go-trump/777642.md?page=6)