# Screw the Oscars, the Razzie noms are out! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 25, 2005, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538 "2005-01-25T04:41:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/1 "2005-01-25T04:41:04Z")
And [here](http://www.razzies.com/asp/directory/25thNoms.htm) they are. Looks to me like a close one this year between Alexander and Catwoman. ---
**Author:** ![Nightwatch\_Trailer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9dc877/32.png) [@Nightwatch\_Trailer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightwatch_Trailer)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/2 "2005-01-25T04:59:46Z")
> [@Razzies](#): > > Ben Stiller / ALONG CAME POLLY, ANCHORMAN, DODGEBALL, > ENVY and STARSKY & HUTCH Classic. I must protest, however, the complete absence of _The Village_, possibly the worst movie I’ve ever paid to see in a theater. Well, except for maybe _Snow Day_. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/3 "2005-01-25T05:06:31Z")
**WORST PICTURE** ALEXANDER (Warner Bros.) CATWOMAN (Warner Bros.) SUPERBABIES: BABY GENIUSES 2 (Triumph Films) SURVIVING CHRISTMAS (DreamWorks) WHITE CHICKS (Columbia/Revolution) **WORST ACTOR** Ben Affleck / JERSEY GIRL and SURVIVING CHRISTMAS George W. Bush / FAHRENHEIT 9/11 Vin Diesel / CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK Colin Farrell / ALEXANDER Ben Stiller / ALONG CAME POLLY, ANCHORMAN, DODGEBALL, ENVY and STARSKY & HUTCH **WORST ACTRESS** Halle Berry / CATWOMAN Hilary Duff / CINDERELLA STORY and RAISE YOUR VOICE Angelina Jolie / ALEXANDER and TAKING LIVES Mary-Kate & Ashley Olsen / NEW YORK MINUTE Shawn & Marlon (The Wayans Sisters) / WHITE CHICKS **WORST SCREEN COUPLE** Ben Affleck & EITHER Jennifer Lopez OR Liv Tyler / JERSEY GIRL Halle Berry & EITHER Benjamin Bratt OR Sharon Stone / CATWOMAN George W. Bush & EITHER Condoleeza Rice OR His Pet Goat / FAHRENHEIT 9/11 Mary-Kate & Ashley Olsen / NEW YORK MINUTE The Wayans Brothers (In or Out of Drag) WHITE CHICKS **WORST SUPPORTING ACTRESS** Carmen Electra / STARKSY & HUTCH Jennifer Lopez / JERSEY GIRL Condoleeza Rice / FAHRENHEIT 9/11 Britney Spears / FAHRENHEIT 9/11 Sharon Stone / CATWOMAN **WORST SUPPORTING ACTOR** Val Kilmer / ALEXANDER Arnolld Schwarzenegger / AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS Donald Rumsfeld / FAHRENHEIT 9/11 Jon Voight / SUPERBABIES: BABY GENIUSES 2 Lambert Wilson / CATWOMAN **WORST DIRECTOR** Bob Clark / SUPERBABIES: BABY GENIUSES 2 Renny Harlin and/or Paul Schrader / EXORCIST 4: THE BEGINNING “Pitof” / CATWOMAN Oliver Stone / ALEXANDER Keenan Ivory Wayans / WHITE CHICKS **WORST REMAKE OR SEQUEL** ALIEN v PREDATOR (20th Century-Fox) ANACONDAS: HUNT FOR THE BLOOD ORCHID (Screen Gems) AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS (Disney) EXORCIST 4: THE BEGINNING (Warner Bros.) SCOOBY DOO 2: MONSTERS UNLEASHED (Warner Bros.) **WORST SCREENPLAY** ALEXANDER, Written by Oliver Stone, Christopher Kyle and Laeta Kalogridis CATWOMAN, Written by Theresa Rebeck and John Brancato & Michael Ferris and John Rogers SUPERBABIES: BABY GENIUSES 2, Written by Steven Paul and Gregory Poppen SURVIVING CHRISTMAS, Written by Deborah Kaplan & Harry Elfont and Jeffrey Ventimilia & Joshua Sternin WHITE CHICKS, Written by Keenan, Shawn, & Marlon Wayans, Andy McElfresh, Michael Anthony Snowden, and Xavier Cook I’ve only seen three of these movies, _Fahreinheit 9/11_, _Envy_, and _Jersey Girl_, so I can’t really comment other than to say that _Jersey Girl_ was actually a pretty good movie for what it was and the only nomination I’ll admit has creedence in regard to it is Jennifer Lopez’s Worst Actress nod. Affleck was passable in his role and he and Tyler made a good couple. Also, while \*Envy \*sucked with the power of a thousand black holes, it wasn’t due to Stiller but the sheer atrocity of the script. I loathe Stiller in comedy roles for the most part but he wasn’t bad at all in this. Christopher Walken, on the other hand, was pretty subpar considering his gifts. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/4 "2005-01-25T15:26:55Z")
good to see those Razzie noms for “Around t he World in 80 Days” - awful awful awful. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/5 "2005-01-25T18:31:39Z")
I love the ones for Fahrenheit 9/11! ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/6 "2005-01-25T18:38:20Z")
The Razzies are just as bad as the Oscars – they just like picking on “popular” people, as oppossed to what’s really bad, as witnessed by them picking on Kevin Costner and Sylvester Stallone for all those years whether they deserved it or not (sometimes they did). I guess Ben Affleck is their new whipping boy now. The Ben Stiller thing is not about whether his movies were bad, but the fact that he’s “overexposed”, which is what they’re really nominating him for. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/7 "2005-01-25T18:50:53Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > **WORST ACTOR** > > Ben Affleck / JERSEY GIRL and SURVIVING CHRISTMAS > **George W. Bush / FAHRENHEIT 9/11** > Vin Diesel / CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK > Colin Farrell / ALEXANDER > Ben Stiller / ALONG CAME POLLY, ANCHORMAN, DODGEBALL, ENVY and STARSKY & HUTCH Hey! I thought Bush did an excellent job of protraying the President as a clueless, spoiled, semi-literate puppet of corporate interests! Well, now that’s done. There’s one in every crowd, isn’t there? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![diku](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@diku](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/diku)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/8 "2005-01-25T18:51:40Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > The Razzies are just as bad as the Oscars – they just like picking on “popular” people, as oppossed to what’s really bad, as witnessed by them picking on Kevin Costner and Sylvester Stallone for all those years whether they deserved it or not (sometimes they did). I guess Ben Affleck is their new whipping boy now. The Ben Stiller thing is not about whether his movies were bad, but the fact that he’s “overexposed”, which is what they’re really nominating him for. Or the fact that he’s bad in some really bad movies. Whatever works for you. He’s just awful, sorry. Except I did like him in Dodgeball somewhat. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/9 "2005-01-25T19:50:25Z")
Stiller might be in some absolutely horrible movies (and is) but that doesn’t invalidate **Raygun** ’s point that the Razzies are nothing more than an organized backlash machine which is exactly what they are. Take a look at their past winners… the same people are in every category and once they drop off the public’s radar, they drop off the Razzies’ too. If they really sucked that bad, they’d still suck and would continue to get nominations but don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Reloy3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c68b51/32.png) [@Reloy3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reloy3)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/10 "2005-01-25T19:52:51Z")
> [@CynicalGabe](#): > > I love the ones for Fahrenheit 9/11! I actually hated those nominations. And no, it’s not a political thing. I’ve always loved the Razzies much more than the Oscars, and wished they televised the show, but it has always been about Hollywood getting simultaniously getting jeered for it’s pompous award shows and some of the truly horrible movies it produces. In other words, the nominations were about pointing out bad movies. The F9/11 nominations are not about that, because I don’t think the choosers of the Razzies are saying F9/11 was a bad film. They are about the selection committee’s politics - right or wrong (or left or wrong if you prefer) it’s just not in the spirit of the Razzies. Secondly, and more politically, I’m not sure the message the nominations send - is the selection committee ripping the administration? ripping their portrayal in F9/11 as unconvincing? just dropping in some topical political mention signifying nothing? Either way, it’s not the Razzies. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/11 "2005-01-25T20:32:11Z")
Ooooh, **White Chicks** vs. **Superbabies** – tough call! (And George W. Bush w/Condoleeza Rice gets my vote 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/12 "2005-01-25T21:07:25Z")
Caught a trailer for **Alexander** on TV last night - it’s just been released here - and one line had me laughing out loud: “Alexander, be reasonable!” Worst. Line. Ever. Now I can’t get rid of a mental picture of Alexander the Reasonable, bestriding the ancient world like a mild mannered colossus. Is the rest of the movie that bad? ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-the-oscars-the-razzie-noms-are-out/286538/13 "2005-01-26T02:11:33Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Stiller might be in some absolutely horrible movies (and is) but that doesn’t invalidate **Raygun** ’s point that the Razzies are nothing more than an organized backlash machine which is exactly what they are. I agree 100%. I am also angry about their stupid “25 years” awards because I was looking forward to **one fricking year** without a nomination for Madonna, but nooooo, since slamming her gets them column inches, they find some convoluted way to include her.