# Screw You, You Self-Entitled Arrogant Asshole Car Drivers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 28, 2012, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280 "2012-04-28T23:47:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/41 "2012-04-30T04:21:50Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > automobiles \> bicycles \> pedestrians > > As a pedestrian, go to the bbq about bicyclists. This is about asshole automobile drivers. I’m sure they teach reading comprehension in SF. I can post what I want to. Don’t like it? Hit “report this post”. Then be prepared to wait for a bit. The PIT has a tendency to come back around and bite self-rightous OP’s in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/42 "2012-04-30T04:28:36Z")
Speaking of asshole car drivers, look at the position of this[car.](http://www.kvue.com/home/Cyclist-killed-on-360--149373545.html) ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/43 "2012-04-30T04:36:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I can post what I want to. Don’t like it? Hit “report this post”. Then be prepared to wait for a bit. > > The PIT has a tendency to come back around and bite self-rightous OP’s in the ass. Consider this self-rightous (sic) ass bitten! Grow a funny bone doc. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/44 "2012-04-30T04:45:53Z")
I’m amazed at the denialists. I live in Portland as well, and there is an incredibly high percentage of asshole bicyclists. I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a car completely ignore a stop sign, intentionally drive the wrong way down a one-way street, drive at night without lights, refuse to put brakes on their car, or drive on a sidewalk. I see all of those done by bicyclists EVERY SINGLE DAY. Yesterday there was the hipster on his fixie that wobbled into my lane when he lost inertia as a bus pulled out. He was just too fucking cool to have gears on his bike. Many bicyclists don’t even obey stop signs when there are pedestrians crossing the street. A few weeks ago I saw a bicyclist riding in the sidewalk the wrong way on a one way street and just blow through the intersection. I don’t know how I missed him. I commuted by bike in Boston 35 years ago and done my share of cross country riding here and in Europe, so I fully support bicycles sharing the road with cars. But a large proportion of bicyclists are fucking it up for everyone. And yes, I’ve had bottles thrown at me when I was riding and had someone try and run me off the road, but those people are few and far between here in Portland. Assholes on bikes are as ubiquitous as Starbucks. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/45 "2012-04-30T04:53:33Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > As a pedestrian, go to the bbq about bicyclists. This is about asshole automobile drivers. I’m sure they teach reading comprehension in SF. No it’s not, it’s a lame attempt of parody. Don’t be surprised when someone tells you to suck their _tu quoque_. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/46 "2012-04-30T05:05:32Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > No it’s not, it’s a lame attempt of parody. Don’t be surprised when someone tells you to suck their _tu quoque_. Only a person from Portland would throw out that Latin phrase (I’m guessing your pinkie was sticking out when you typed it). And yes, I hear that town is filled with menacing hipsters on fixies threatening slow-moving hypermilage hybrid cars. Portland exists in a bubble not seen anywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/47 "2012-04-30T13:55:17Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Bikes are legally vehicular traffic pretty much everywhere. It’s like the reverse of the illegal to drive barefoot myth. Everyone seems to think bikers are pedestrians and should stay in pedestrian areas, but they’re not. They’re legally, and actually, operating a vehicle. > > Which includes full use of the lane. Assuming you’re a good driver, it should never matter where in the lane the biker is when you pass them. > Further, keeping right has almost got me whacked with a passenger side mirror a couple of times. Keeping right seems to encourage motorists to pass you too close for comfort. From here - [http://www.trailsandopenspaces.org/bicycle-rules.html](http://www.trailsandopenspaces.org/bicycle-rules.html) > [@](#): > > Summary of Colorado State Bicycle Law. As a bicyclist you must ride in the right lane except: > > –When overtaking another bicycle or other vehicle. > > –When preparing for a left turn. > > –When necessary to avoid hazardous conditions. > > **Ride as close to the right side of the right lane as is practicable when being overtaken by another vehicle.** > > Ride on the paved shoulder whenever a paved shoulder suitable for bicycle riding is present. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/48 "2012-04-30T15:31:07Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > From here - [http://www.trailsandopenspaces.org/bicycle-rules.html](http://www.trailsandopenspaces.org/bicycle-rules.html) That doesn’t actually contradict **Tao’s Revenge** ’s policy of taking the lane. The law you quote tells cyclists to keep as far to the right **“as is practicable”** when being overtaken. If moving towards the shoulder will result in the cyclist’s being passed dangerously close by an overtaking car, then it is not practicable for the cyclist to keep to the right of the lane. Why this happens, IME, is that cars will frequently try to pass a cyclist in the right lane even when there’s another car in the left lane, so the passing car is “squeezing through” between two other vehicles (a bike to the right and a car to the left) in two lanes. That’s dangerously crowded if you’re moving at normal city driving speeds (as opposed to, say, creeping slowly up to a stoplight). That’s when it makes sense for the cyclist to keep their lane instead of moving towards the shoulder, so the overtaking car will have to wait for a clear space in the left lane and change lanes in order to pass the bike, instead of trying to squeeze through on the right of left-lane traffic. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/49 "2012-04-30T15:40:33Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Only a person from Portland would throw out that Latin phrase (I’m guessing your pinkie was sticking out when you typed it). And yes, I hear that town is filled with menacing hipsters on fixies threatening slow-moving hypermilage hybrid cars. Portland exists in a bubble not seen anywhere else. I guess we must be in a bubble. Is that your city’s best characterization of effeteness? Pinkies sticking out? Maybe you should turn your calendar ahead a decade or so. Hell, we are soy latte swilling, pork pie hat wearing, gluten free granola gobbling, public transit loving, underemployed socialist anarchists, etc. (hope that last bit isn’t too much Latin for you). If you live in some cow town in flyover land that has a people in pickup trucks running an occasional bicyclist off the road, then the thread on asshole bicylists probably doesn’t make much sense to you. _Real_ cities like Boston, NY, Seattle, San Francisco have a problem with scofflaw bicyclists that is eroding support for bike lanes and endangering riders and pedestrians. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/50 "2012-04-30T16:08:38Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > That doesn’t actually contradict **Tao’s Revenge** ’s policy of taking the lane. The law you quote tells cyclists to keep as far to the right **“as is practicable”** when being overtaken. If moving towards the shoulder will result in the cyclist’s being passed dangerously close by an overtaking car, then it is not practicable for the cyclist to keep to the right of the lane. > > Why this happens, IME, is that cars will frequently try to pass a cyclist in the right lane even when there’s another car in the left lane, so the passing car is “squeezing through” between two other vehicles (a bike to the right and a car to the left) in two lanes. That’s dangerously crowded if you’re moving at normal city driving speeds (as opposed to, say, creeping slowly up to a stoplight). > > That’s when it makes sense for the cyclist to keep their lane instead of moving towards the shoulder, so the overtaking car will have to wait for a clear space in the left lane and change lanes in order to pass the bike, instead of trying to squeeze through on the right of left-lane traffic. I don’t disagree with you. But there is always a ‘but’. My Wife and I live in a very bike friendly community. We’ve spent millions on recreational paths. Yes, there are walkers on it. The road I drive every day is a two lane mountain highway. I have zero problems with bikes using the portion of that road when there is no alternative. They do have the good sense to keep as far right as possible. It is legal to cross a solid yellow line in Colorado to pass a bike. If the bike keeps far right, it’s much easier and safer to pass as the car does not need to get to the other lane for nearly as long. This provides many more opertunites to pass. Slow moving vehicles also follow this simple common courtesy. Usually. My Wife, trains and rides a lot (triathlete). She follows this common sense and interestling enough, has never complained about cars to me. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/51 "2012-04-30T19:53:03Z")
After reading this whole thread I can honestly say it’s the bicyclists who are to blame. For everything. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/52 "2012-04-30T21:00:44Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > After reading this whole thread I can honestly say it’s the bicyclists who are to blame. For everything. Yep, except global warming of course. Whoose right back at you my friend. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/53 "2012-04-30T23:20:39Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > I guess we must be in a bubble. Is that your city’s best characterization of effeteness? Pinkies sticking out? Maybe you should turn your calendar ahead a decade or so. Hell, we are soy latte swilling, pork pie hat wearing, gluten free granola gobbling, public transit loving, underemployed socialist anarchists, etc. (hope that last bit isn’t too much Latin for you). > > If you live in some cow town in flyover land that has a people in pickup trucks running an occasional bicyclist off the road, then the thread on asshole bicylists probably doesn’t make much sense to you. _Real_ cities like Boston, NY, Seattle, San Francisco have a problem with scofflaw bicyclists that is eroding support for bike lanes and endangering riders and pedestrians. LOL…toccare! I mean, touche! ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/54 "2012-05-01T00:05:42Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > LOL…toccare! I mean, touche! So now we need to debate in French? Oy vey. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/55 "2012-05-01T00:10:23Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > So now we need to debate in French? > > Oy vey. > > 😉 Da. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/56 "2012-05-01T05:07:29Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Yep, except global warming of course. > > Whoose right back at you my friend. You \*do \*know you give off extra CO2 when you bike, right? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280/57 "2012-05-01T05:19:15Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You \*do \*know you give off extra CO2 when you bike, right? CO2, hell, I’m blasting pure methane. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screw-you-you-self-entitled-arrogant-asshole-car-drivers/620280.md?page=2)