# Scripture Reading=Cure for PMS??? FUCK OFF! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 19, 2002, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935 "2002-10-19T03:06:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/1 "2002-10-19T03:06:19Z")
Tell me this isn’t scary: > [@](#): > > A quiet battle is raging over the Bush Administration’s plan to appoint a scantily credentialed doctor, whose writings include a book titled As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now, to head an influential Food and Drug Administration (FDA) panel on women’s health policy. Sources tell Time that the agency’s choice for the advisory panel is Dr. W. David Hager, an obstetrician-gynecologist who also wrote, with his wife Linda, Stress and the Woman’s Body, which puts “an emphasis on the restorative power of Jesus Christ in one’s life” and recommends specific Scripture readings and prayers for such ailments as headaches and premenstrual syndrome. Though his resume describes Hager as a University of Kentucky professor, a university official says Hager’s appointment is part time and voluntary and involves working with interns at Lexington’s Central Baptist Hospital, not the university itself. In his private practice, two sources familiar with it say, Hager refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. Hager did not return several calls for comment. [Link](http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,361521,00.html) Yeah, I can tell it’s a man. So now, it’s immoral to treat my PMS and headaches??? FUCK YOU UP THE ARSE WITH THE EMU FECES COVERED RUSTY MEATHOOK!!! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/2 "2002-10-19T04:16:02Z")
I wonder if that works for hangovers as well. Seriously, that is some scary shit. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/3 "2002-10-19T05:05:04Z")
Jesus that IS scary. How is this happening? What the fuck is going on with this country? It’s the 21st Century for fuck sakes. We’re appointing a fucking FAITH HEALER to make decisions on women’s health? Why aren’t more people pissed about this. Why isn’t that assclown Bill O’Reilly talking about THIS shit every night instead of whining about Ludacris and Snoop dogg? Where is the fucking media? You should move this to GD Guinastasia. It’s a great topic. I’ve had to go back and correct about 25 typos because I’m too pissed off to type straight. We have a fundie president who actually believes in his heart that his beliefs are true and fuck everyone else. I recently read on Drudge that GWB has instituted weekly Bible studies for White House staffers. What the fuck is up with THAT? ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/4 "2002-10-19T05:22:09Z")
I goptta confess to a little sympathy for the guy here. Sure, he’s a fundie and many fundies tend to think all problems can be solved by reading the same book. But on the flip side, I think medication is _way, way, way_ overprescribed. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if a study revealed that inspirational reading (of whatever might be inspirational to the reader) were in fact a pallative to some headaches and yes, to some symptoms of PMS. Sure, my prescribed book might be Foucoult’s Pendulum, but still, I think the guy may be on to something. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/5 "2002-10-19T05:30:57Z")
Manhattan, you can’t be serious. I agree that drugs are over prescribed but to substitute them with BIBLE VERSES? Come on. We need SCIENCE here, not HOODOO. Also, I don’t think this little witch doctor would go along with the “inspirational reading of your choice…” theory. It’s Jesus or nothing with this guy. How about his sanctimonious attitude towards birth control. Do you want this guy making MORAL decisions about womens’ sexual health? BTW Umberto Eco rocks : ) ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/6 "2002-10-19T05:35:24Z")
Personally, I don’t think the government should be making any decisions at all about women’s health. Don’t get me wrong, I don’w wantthe guy confirmed – I just confessed to “a little sympathy” for his stance and wondered whether a real, live study might not confirm some of his thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![lel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8797f3/32.png) [@lel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/7 "2002-10-19T05:43:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Sources tell Time that the agency’s choice for the advisory panel is Dr. W. David Hager, an obstetrician-gynecologist who also wrote, with his wife Linda, Stress and the Woman’s Body, which puts “an emphasis on the restorative power of Jesus Christ in one’s life” and recommends specific Scripture readings and prayers for such ailments as headaches and premenstrual syndrome. I haven’t read Dr. Hager’s book, so I do not know, but does it recommend Scripture readings in addition to modern medical treatments, or to the exclusion of modern medicine? The way I’m reading it, it looks like he’s recommending prayer in addition to treatment. What harm does praying about PMS and headaches cause, as long as one is under the care of a competent medical professional? ---
**Author:** ![Rossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3e96dc/32.png) [@Rossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rossarian)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/8 "2002-10-19T05:50:51Z")
_Rossarian rocks back and forth in near-catatonic state, clutching a flag and weeping_ \*He mumbles… \* It’s not true…it’s not true…it’s not true… * * * Honestly, whatever happen to good old modern medicine? Do we really need doctors saying “Take two Jesuses and call me in the morning?” I request no more posts of this nature. I was blissfully unaware of this prior to a few minutes ago. ☹ Is the plural of Jesus Jesusses or Jesi? ---
**Author:** ![Profane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@Profane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Profane)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/9 "2002-10-19T06:02:41Z")
Mommy, make the scary man go away. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/10 "2002-10-19T06:05:04Z")
“Jesus” is a Latinized form of “Jeshu,” so the nominative masculine plural ending would be “Jesi.” However in the sentence “Take two Jesuses…” “Jesus” takes the accusative case, it would have to acquire the masculine plural accusative ending (-os). Therefore the proper pluralization for the context you want would be “Jesos.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3e96dc/32.png) [@Rossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rossarian)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/11 "2002-10-19T06:32:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*“Jesus” is a Latinized form of “Jeshu,” so the nominative masculine plural ending would be “Jesi.” However in the sentence “Take two Jesuses…” “Jesus” takes the accusative case, it would have to acquire the masculine plural accusative ending (-os). Therefore the proper pluralization for the context you want would be “Jesos.” 🙂 \*\* If that didn’t prove that the internet is the greatest thing ever, nothing can. There’s an answer available for everything! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/12 "2002-10-19T13:04:58Z")
Jeez **Guin** , sounds like you’re a bit pissy. Is it that time of month? Maybe a little prayer is in order, hm? [sub]d&r[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/13 "2002-10-19T13:20:09Z")
GIANT ANIME MALLET!! ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/14 "2002-10-19T13:28:37Z")
The real question is how competent or incompetent is this person as a doctor and medical researcher. I don’t know. The fact that he’s a fundie doesn’t answer that question. So I tried google. According to this [cite](http://www.mc.uky.edu/obg/People/faculty/Genl/Hager%20WD%20.htm) > [@](#): > > Faculty Positions > Centers for Disease Control, 1976-1978 > Emory University, 1976-1978 > University of Kentucky, 1978- > > Dr. Hager has a special interest and expertise in Infectious Diseases in Obstetrics & Gynecology, and has gained national and international recognition for his work in this area. He was President of Infectious Diseases Society for Obstetrics and Gynecology from 1996-1998. He was also named as one of the “Best Doctors in America” in both 1994 and 1996. From this [tendentious article](http://www.nationalreview.com/lopez/lopez101502.asp) > [@](#): > > The Time piece mentions in its lead that Hager is the author of a book called As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now. It also mentions that he wrote a book with his wife called Stress and the Woman’s Body, “which puts ‘an emphasis on the restorative power of Jesus Christ in one’s life.’” True. True. > > Of course, they don’t mention any of his non-religion-focused books or his peer-reviewed articles. No mention, for instance, of the two textbooks he’s edited, both published by well-regarded medical publishers (Infection Protocols for Obstetrics and Gynecology, Medical Economics, 1992, and Protocols for Infectious Diseases in Obstetrics and Gynecology, Blackwell Science, 1999), or other mainstream, standard medical textbooks he’s written for. No consideration of his work that has been published in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, the Journal of Reproductive Medicine, or the Journal of the American Medical Association. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/15 "2002-10-19T13:45:43Z")
Guin, where does it say that other treatments are immoral? Where does it say that he wants prayer and prayer alone to treat PMS? You’re reading a little too much between the lines here. Honestly, though, stress reducing meditation would probably go a long way to helping the symptoms be more bearable. Stress will do nothing but exacerbate the problem, and we’re all under a lot of stress. A complete treatment? Most certainly not, but maybe for some people, they won’t need constant medication, or can get by with less powerful stuff. As Manny said, we do tend to overmedicate people these days. I don’t know jack shit about his qualifications, but just because [Time.com](http://Time.com) says he’s “scantily credentialed” doesn’t make it so. That said, I really don’t like the idea that he refuses to give single women prescriptions for contraceptives. If you feel like ranting, rant about that, 'cause that’s complete bullshit. BTW, I just found out today that hitting the Esc key when in the quick reply box clears your text, isn’t that just ducky? ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/16 "2002-10-19T14:07:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\* > Yeah, I can tell it’s a man. \*\* Can I ask what his gender has to do with this decision? For example, if there were a presidential advisory panel on prostate cancer…would all female doctors be automatically excluded from consideration? ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/17 "2002-10-19T15:06:38Z")
Only the ones who advised watching Oprah as a cure. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/18 "2002-10-19T15:08:33Z")
Prayer is not treatment. It is nothing. it is worthless. A doctor should give a shit about his patients. He is not talking about prescribing “meditation.” He is prescribing specific CHRISTIAN prayer. Fuck his prayers. I want DRUGS! ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/19 "2002-10-19T15:12:29Z")
I’m sorry, but any man who thinks ailments can be cured by “reading the bibile”, is a religious psycho. He’s a psycho, and we’ll be one step closer to hell if he’s confirmed. Sam ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2002, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935/20 "2002-10-19T15:25:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GaWd \* > \*\*I’m sorry, but any man who thinks ailments can be cured by “reading the bibile”, is a religious psycho. > Sam \*\* I’m not at all familiar with the individual in question here, but I think that manhattan raised an interesting point. It may be a bit premature to dismiss out of hand the [efficacy](http://www.dukespiritualityandhealth.org/recentreports.html) of prayer in certain health situations for many people… I haven’t read his book (and am bit leery of a short magazine based synopsis of it), so I don’t know if he is talking about replacing traditional care with prayer, or augmenting traditional care with prayer. I ALSO don’t know if he is talking about suggesting prayer informally through his book…or if he “officially” prescribes prayer via his practice. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scripture-reading-cure-for-pms-fuck-off/132935.md?page=2)