# Scum and villainy: Republicans already throwing Palin under the bus. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2008, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420 "2008-11-06T05:44:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/221 "2008-11-09T03:18:32Z")
Heh, that’s what I was thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/222 "2008-11-09T03:38:51Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Yep, this is the “prominent blog” I referred to in my post a few pages back. > > Do not underestimate how angry Palin’s fans are about this whole business. I love the smell of impotent, right wing rage in November. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/223 "2008-11-09T07:34:22Z")
Saw a clip tonight of Palin responding to the charges of her not knowing who was in NAFTA or if Africa was a country or not, and the woman did herself **no** favors. Instead of laughing it off and saying something like, “How can anyone _not_ know that NAFTA was made up of Canada, the US and Mexico? Or that there’s many different nations in Africa, like Egypt, Liberia, Sudan, and others? Do you really think that I could get picked as John McCain’s running mate if I didn’t know such things?” She rambled on and on about how she probably knew who it was who said those things (which she called lies) and how it was cowardly of them, and dozens of other things. None of which firmly established that she _did_ know any of those things. Sure, one could argue that she boned up on all of that after the stories leaked out, but even _that_ would have shown a glimmer of brains, because it would have meant that she had at least sense enough to study shit that she didn’t know about which was obviously important. The clip aired on Geraldo’s show and he was talking about Palin with Huckabee, who made some diplomatic comments about the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/224 "2008-11-09T07:42:12Z")
> [@Sternvogel](#): > > I have to wonder if this isn’t the reason McCain staffers are bashing Palin so hard right now. They know they brought the monster to life. Now, for the good of the party they are trying to drive a stake through its heart before it gets too big to kill. Meh. She’ll be forgotten in a year. Regardless of how much cognitive dissonance the base is displaying now, they’re not dumb, and the party brass will certainly have learned from their mistake. They’ll be grooming [del]The Great White Hope[/del] new candidate by this time next year. I hope it isn’t Charlie Crist. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/225 "2008-11-09T07:54:37Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > She rambled on and on about how she probably knew who it was who said those things (which she called lies) and how it was cowardly of them, and dozens of other things. Either she’s been **really** unlucky for a long time in the people she happens to work with, or else she has a few…issues. I mean, if what she’s saying is true, there seem to be an awful lot of folks out there with an inexplicable need to tell gratuitous pathological lies about her. Like [these folks](http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/), for example. > [@](#): > > “So Sambo beat the bitch!” > > This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination. > According to Lucille, the waitress serving her table at the time and who asked that her last name not be used, Gov. Palin was eating lunch with five or six people when the subject of the Democrat’s primary battle came up. The governor, seemingly not caring that people at nearby tables would likely hear her, uttered the slur and then laughed loudly as her meal mates joined in appreciatively. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/226 "2008-11-09T09:27:48Z")
I’m enjoying all the lulz watching Republicans throw each other under buses. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/227 "2008-11-09T10:34:02Z")
> [@anya\_marie](#): > > I’m enjoying all the lulz watching Republicans throw each other under buses. Need more buses. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/228 "2008-11-09T15:12:33Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > They’ll be grooming [del]The Great White Hope[/del] new candidate by this time next year. I hope it isn’t Charlie Crist. It’s not going to be Crist. If little old unconnected me has heard the rumors that he has a Larry Craig problem, the party brass has, too. And there’s no way they’ll nominate one of _those_ to be a presidential candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_First_Time)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/229 "2008-11-09T23:35:50Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > It’s not going to be Crist. If little old unconnected me has heard the rumors that he has a Larry Craig problem, the party brass has, too. And there’s no way they’ll nominate one of _those_ to be a presidential candidate. That, for me is the most delicious thing about the whole Republican melt down - their best hopes are guys who are perfectly good politicians, but flunk the GOP purity tests. Crist - might be the best leader in the free world - but he won’t be considered because he’s rumored to be gay. Romney - could have given Obama a real run for his money when the financial crisis hit. As a matter of fact he would have been in a very good position. But he’s completely beyond the pale because he’s the wrong religion. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/230 "2008-11-10T00:05:38Z")
> [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](#): > > That, for me is the most delicious thing about the whole Republican melt down - their best hopes are guys who are perfectly good politicians, but flunk the GOP purity tests. > Crist - might be the best leader in the free world - but he won’t be considered because he’s rumored to be gay. > > Romney - could have given Obama a real run for his money when the financial crisis hit. As a matter of fact he would have been in a very good position. But he’s completely beyond the pale because he’s the wrong religion. And this, in essence, is the problem with the current Republican party. I voted for Reagan and his “big tent” back in the day. Tuesday I not only voted for Obama and “all Americans” I canvassed for him as well. (Palin scared the snot out of me) And I’m a little old white lady who will not get a tax cut under Obama’s plan. There are more of us than the pub’s think. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/231 "2008-11-10T00:48:56Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > And this, in essence, is the problem with the current Republican party. I voted for Reagan and his “big tent” back in the day. Tuesday I not only voted for Obama and “all Americans” I canvassed for him as well. (Palin scared the snot out of me) And I’m a little old white lady who will not get a tax cut under Obama’s plan. There are more of us than the pub’s think. Did you vote for Bush, though? He made a point of trying to appeal to the middle with that “compassionate conservatism” stuff, at least in the 2000 election. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/232 "2008-11-10T13:29:31Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Did you vote for Bush, though? He made a point of trying to appeal to the middle with that “compassionate conservatism” stuff, at least in the 2000 election. Unfortunately I did:confused::eek::mad: (but not in 2004) I was so angry at Clinton (who I also voted for) after he got on TV and lied right to us all about the Monica thing I couldn’t vote for Gore during that election. So yeah, I’m probably not the most rational of voters. Hmmmm maybe a new demographic: irrational, fiscally moderate, socially liberal, 50-62 women. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/233 "2008-11-10T14:12:00Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Unfortunately I did:confused::eek::mad: (but not in 2004) I was so angry at Clinton (who I also voted for) after he got on TV and lied right to us all about the Monica thing I couldn’t vote for Gore during that election. So yeah, I’m probably not the most rational of voters. Hmmmm maybe a new demographic: irrational, fiscally moderate, socially liberal, 50-62 women. I don’t think many people would have held it against you that you voted for him the first time around- at least, I wouldn’t. His platform did sound like a big tent at the time. The problem was that nobody realized there were barbed wire fences around it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/234 "2008-11-10T15:18:09Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > It’s not going to be Crist. If little old unconnected me has heard the rumors that he has a Larry Craig problem, the party brass has, too. And there’s no way they’ll nominate one of _those_ to be a presidential candidate. Question (although one that probably deserves it’s own thread…) Let’s say you’re right – Crist has a penchant for sucking cock in restrooms (or anywhere else) but is closeted because he’s (a) Republican and (b) governor of Florida. Were he to start to gain traction nationally, would you be in favor of outing him, should you somehow come across (ahem) proof positive? On what factors would that depend? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/235 "2008-11-10T15:26:23Z")
I most certainly would not! I might discuss the matter with a few thousand of my close personal friends, but if that information should find its way into the public discourse, I would most certainly renounce, denounce and condemn such scurrilous skullbuggery. I would then iron my communion dress and polish my goody two-shoes with a sublime sense of sanctity, and stern moral rectumtude. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/236 "2008-11-10T15:41:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Question (although one that probably deserves it’s own thread…) > > Let’s say you’re right – Crist has a penchant for sucking cock in restrooms (or anywhere else) but is closeted because he’s (a) Republican and (b) governor of Florida. > > Were he to start to gain traction nationally, would you be in favor of outing him, should you somehow come across (ahem) proof positive? On what factors would that depend? It really doesn’t make no nevermind to me. Crist isn’t, to my knowledge, one of the truly vile Republicans who goes out of their way to kick me and mine in the head (I think he’s given lukewarm support (pretty much the minimum he can get away with and not get dinged by his fellows) for Florida’s Prop 2). So I most likely wouldn’t be in favor of outing him, though I would think somewhat less of him for staying in the closet to protect his political career. I reserve an approval of outing for people who actually spend significant amounts of television and print facetime denouncing homosexuality and working against our rights. I can forgive Crist’s timidity in not coming out. I can’t forgive someone like Larry Craig’s hypocrisy in not only being closeted but working against gay rights issues. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/237 "2008-11-10T15:45:27Z")
> [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](#): > > That, for me is the most delicious thing about the whole Republican melt down - their best hopes are guys who are perfectly good politicians, but flunk the GOP purity tests. > > Romney - could have given Obama a real run for his money when the financial crisis hit. As a matter of fact he would have been in a very good position. But he’s completely beyond the pale because he’s the wrong religion. Well, Romney also has the problem that he’s the most transparent opportunist I’m aware of in American politics. Yes, all politicians shift with the wind and pander, but I can’t think of anyone who does it as obviously as Romney does. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/238 "2008-11-10T17:47:54Z")
You know what? Not long ago, there was a GD thread that asked “Why are conservatives so credulous?” Yet here, we have people who are expressing no doubt whatsoever about these accusations against Gov. Palin, even though they come from completely unnamed and uncorroborated sources. It seems to me that a measure of skepticism would be appropriate, folks. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/239 "2008-11-10T17:51:26Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > You know what? Not long ago, there was a GD thread that asked “Why are conservatives so credulous?” Yet here, we have people who are expressing no doubt whatsoever about these accusations against Gov. Palin, even though they come from completely unnamed and uncorroborated sources. > > It seems to me that a measure of skepticism would be appropriate, folks. The subject of the thread isn’t the subject matter of the attacks (whether or not Palin knows that Africa is a continent, etc) _per se_ – it’s the heavy volleys that are being fired at her from the other side of the GOP circular firing squad. The latter is clearly established fact. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/240 "2008-11-10T17:55:27Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Well, Romney also has the problem that he’s the most transparent opportunist I’m aware of in American politics. Yes, all politicians shift with the wind and pander, but I can’t think of anyone who does it as obviously as Romney does. Joe Leiberman, Norm Coleman [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420.md?page=13)