# Scum and villainy: Republicans already throwing Palin under the bus. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2008, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420 "2008-11-06T05:44:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/281 "2008-11-10T23:11:09Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > P.S. It was “Originally Posted by Martin Eisenstadt” **ON HIS BLOG** , and there’s not a damn thing wrong with my putting his words in the quote tag - it’s a QUOTE, you moron! > > What the fuck is the matter with you? Still pissed I was right about Obama over your girl, Hillary, and now you’re pissed I beat you to the punch with this revelation? > > Get over your damn self already! Psst, **Shayna** … It would appear that Martin Eisenstadt [May not even exist!](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/10/martin-eisenstadt-non-exi_n_142785.html) > [@](#): > > William K. Wolfrum of Shakespeare’s Sister, who was suckered by Eisenstadt during the campaign, did some digging and concluded, “There is no M. Thomas Eisenstadt. There is no Eisenstadt Group. There is no Harding Institute for Freedom and Democracy. M. Thomas Eisenstadt is a hoax.” ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/282 "2008-11-10T23:19:01Z")
Well I can hardly be faulted for that. My point still stands, **DrDeth** was utterly out of line to call me on putting a freaking quote inside quote tags, which has been standard protocol on these boards for years. If he has a problem with that, he needs to take it up with the Administrators, not me. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/283 "2008-11-10T23:20:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, and I- and several others- have complained about it. It’s not a issue of plagarism of course, but there are a couple issues- is it a member or a outside quote? In the case of “originaly posted by George W Bush” we have no doubt, but **Martin Eisenstadt** is hardly well known. And, it makes it difficult to quote the post, since as you can see the Quote doesn’t come out. This is the kind of nattering nitpicking nincompoopery that makes this place so damn frustrating at times. Who? The? Fuck? Cares? If? Its? Not? 100%? Correct? **Nobody** , and I mean, **nobody** is going to fucking die because of this. It can’t even be argued that this is somehow fighting ignorance, because, quite clearly, its pretty Og damned **obvious** that the person being quoted is **not** a Doper. And, frankly, if someone is of the plutonium-grade level of ignorance that they would somehow think that someone quoting, say, the President, in such a manner means that the President posts here, **no** level of work on our part is going to help them become intelligent. > [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t know how useful that would have been. If she had reeled off the names of a half-dozen African countries, she’d habe been accused of just what you suggest: cramming for a test the night before, as it were. As I’ve said before, even if she had done _that_, it would show that she was at least willing to recognize that there’s gaps in her knowledge and work to correct this. That she refuses to do so, shows a disturbing lack of curiosity on her part. One of the reasons why America has succeeded through dark times is a willingness to toss aside ideology when it was clear that reality contradicted it. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/284 "2008-11-10T23:20:28Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Well I can hardly be faulted for that. My point still stands, **DrDeth** was utterly out of line to call me on putting a freaking quote inside quote tags, which has been standard protocol on these boards for years. > > If he has a problem with that, he needs to take it up with the Administrators, not me. And I did it too! Ha! Anyway, can we be sure that YOU are not really Martin Eisenstadt? Hmmmm??? Can you prove you are not him? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/285 "2008-11-10T23:24:34Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t know how useful that would have been. If she had reeled off the names of a half-dozen African countries, she’d habe been accused of just what you suggest: cramming for a test the night before, as it were. > > I have trouble believing the bald-faced “Is Africa a country or a continent?” suggestion. I don’t think it’s as implausible as you might suspect. I lived for a couple of years in Liberia, and when I’ve told people I once lived in Africa, I’ve encountered a shocking number of people who think Africa is a country, and some of these are people with college degrees and professional careers. Don’t understimate American incuriosity and ignorance about geography. It can be quite stunning. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/286 "2008-11-10T23:24:41Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Well I can hardly be faulted for that. My point still stands, **DrDeth** was utterly out of line to call me on putting a freaking quote inside quote tags, which has been standard protocol on these boards for years. > > If he has a problem with that, he needs to take it up with the Administrators, not me. Just in case anyone is wondering, **Shayna** is correct here. It’s fine to use quote tags to quote off-board people, especially when they are clearly identified as such. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/287 "2008-11-10T23:57:52Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Just in case anyone is wondering, **Shayna** is correct here. It’s fine to use quote tags to quote off-board people, especially when they are clearly identified as such. Shayna seems to be under the idea that I considered her usage some sort of violation of board rules. It was not. But to me, it is as jarring and annoying as a misspelling or a gammar error- which also people complain about. Grammar errors are not against the SDMB rules. If I thought Shayna’s quote was against the rules, I’d have reported it, as would be proper. Of course, if it’s against the rules to complain about a posters style or usage, then \*mea culpa. \*:smack: It is interesting to see that we’ve been had. I wonder if Cameron was also had. Note that I did say "Martin Eisenstadt has been called “questionable” several times before this. He doesn’t even have a wiki page (yet). " ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/288 "2008-11-11T00:05:10Z")
Well, let’s all be grateful they still found a woman to blame everything on. I heard the claim was she did not know all the countries in North America, not NAFTA, and I admit I am confused as to how European\*\* territories\*\* can be North American **countries.** (I believe it; it just confuses me). I think referring to Africa as a country could be an example of mis-speaking, rather than ignorance. She didn’t open the door in a towel, she walked out of the bathroom after a shower, and, greeted them, and then went to get dressed. They would have bitch twice as hard if they had been left standing in the hall. She was kept hidden from the press later in the campaign? Well, where was Joe Biden? She was highhanded with staff? How would you have behaved if you were the **wildly popular** Vice Presidential candidate, and you were being treated like a “Wassila Hillbilly” by party hacks? (That remark would have ruin the career of any Democrat associated with it.) The clothes? Ok, that was unforgivable. Still, you are all reminding me that Catherine the Great had a thing for horse, Marie Antionette for everything else, Hilary was the anti-christ, … hell, people even hated Eleanor Roosevelt. How are you going to feel when Michelle has the Secret Service take down some reporter going after Sasha, and the press starts representing her as Lady MacBeth? Do not make me defend Palin again. I dislike it. > [@Ogre](#): > > … but there HAS TO BE a fiscally conservative party in this country, or things will go to hell in the other direction. I agree with you, except for the tense used in the final clause. Where have you been for the last few decades that you consider Republicans fiscally conservative? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/289 "2008-11-11T00:09:53Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Shayna seems to be under the idea that I considered her usage some sort of violation of board rules. It was not. But to me, it is as jarring and annoying as a misspelling or a gammar error- which also people complain about. Grammar errors are not against the SDMB rules. If I thought Shayna’s quote was against the rules, I’d have reported it, as would be proper. Um, you _did_ report it. That’s the only reason I posted to this thread clarifying the situation. [QUOTE=DrDeth] Of course, if it’s against the rules to complain about a posters style or usage, then \*mea culpa. \*:smack: [/QUOTE] It is of course fine to complain about a poster’s style or usage in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/290 "2008-11-11T00:40:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > ps “Originally Posted by Martin Eisenstadt’- Martin Eisenstadt is not a member here and didn’t post anything of the sort. _You_ posted a quote of his. Hint- See those little “””" marks? That’s what they are for. This is really stupid. It is just a childish attempt to find something to complain about. You are an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/291 "2008-11-11T00:52:42Z")
> [@j666](#): > > She was kept hidden from the press later in the campaign? Well, where was Joe Biden? Making his [42nd appearance](http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2008/09/07/transcript-joe-biden-on-meet-the-press-sunday-august-7-2008/) on _Meet the Press_. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/292 "2008-11-11T01:02:30Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But to me, it is as jarring and annoying as a misspelling or a \*\*gammar \*\*error- which also people complain about. Bolding mine. I know what you mean. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/293 "2008-11-11T01:08:19Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, and he apparently has: > > [http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/11/10/eisenstadt-the-source-for-sarah-palin-africa-leak-and-proud-of-it/](http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/11/10/eisenstadt-the-source-for-sarah-palin-africa-leak-and-proud-of-it/) > > Martin Eisenstadt has been called “questionable” several times before this. He doesn’t even have a wiki page (yet). He also doesn’t mention the context of the comments, except they were missteps and mistakes she made in debate practice. However, he does fess up to spilling them to Cameron. Good for him. Either he is a great guy who wants to protect Fox reporters from those who doubt their stories or things are so bad no one cares if they get identified while trashing Palin - or both. Thus the premise of the OP is proven. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/294 "2008-11-11T01:20:13Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Making his [42nd appearance](http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2008/09/07/transcript-joe-biden-on-meet-the-press-sunday-august-7-2008/) on _Meet the Press_. **Not** in the final weeks of the campaign, and look at what he said: _SEN. BIDEN: [Palin] had a number of good [lines]. Look, she’s a smart, tough politician, and so I, I think she’s going to be very formidable…_ MR. BROKAW: Who was the first person you called after the speech? SEN. BIDEN: After my speech? MR. BROKAW: After her speech. SEN. BIDEN: I\*\* didn’t call anybody. I didn’t–I happened to be–I didn’t get her–I didn’t see her speech, I saw part of it. I–we were, we were flying to–from Florida to Virginia, and I caught the tail end of it. And–oh, I guess I–actually, I called my wife. I called my wife.\*\* MR. BROKAW: And what did she say? SEN. BIDEN: She said she thought she was tough. She thought she was tough and she was a good politician. \* Bless our Vice President Elect’s heart, his constituents love him and that’s good enough for me. - I did cut the following: BIDEN: But you know, eventually she’s going to have to sit in front of you like I’m doing and have done. Eventually she’s going to have to answer questions and not be sequestered. Eventually she’s going to have to answer questions about her record. This was on September 7th. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/295 "2008-11-11T01:34:39Z")
Biden gave unfiltered interviews all the time, including with that idiot from the local Orlando news affiliate who quoted Marx at him. Biden has been in Congress and been speaking to the Press for 30 years. The com[parison to Palin is nonsensical. Biden is about as known a quantity as there is in Washington. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/296 "2008-11-11T01:40:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, and I- and several others- have complained about it. Oh, cry me a fucking river. It’s SOP and you know it. You responded as if your silly bullshit objections were the rules around here. That’s called junior modding and that _is_ against the rules here. > [@DrDeth](#): > > And, it makes it difficult to quote the post, since as you can see the Quote doesn’t come out. Boo fucking hoo. I’m sorry the world’s message boards haven’t yet acclimated to the specific ease-of-use problems you want to prioritize. > [@Bricker](#): > > If she had reeled off the names of a half-dozen African countries, she’d habe been accused of just what you suggest: cramming for a test the night before, as it were. I think that depends greatly on delivery, and if anyone can dress up a turd sandwich and make it smell good, it’s Sarah Palin. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Shayna seems to be under the idea that I considered her usage some sort of violation of board rules. Well, gee, Mr. My Way Or The Highway, whose fault is that? > [@Giraffe](#): > > Um, you did report it. That’s the only reason I posted to this thread clarifying the situation. Oops. Guess it _was_ a violation of board rules, wasn’t it, Board King **DrDeth**? > [@j666's summary of Biden's appearance on Meet the Press](#): > > SEN. BIDEN: I didn’t call anybody. I didn’t–I happened to be–I didn’t get her–I didn’t see her speech, I saw part of it. I–we were, we were flying to–from Florida to Virginia, and I caught the tail end of it. And–oh, I guess I–actually, I called my wife. I called my wife. Did you bold this to point out how stupid it sounds? Because _everyone_ talks like that. Totally faithful transcripts are notorious for representing normal speech patterns–which start, stop, then move in different directions all the time, and which use word and phrase repetition to give speakers time to organize their thoughts–as idiotic blubbering, because spoken language operates on a totally different cadence than written language. If you record _anyone_ in the natural flow of conversation and transcribe them word-for-word, you’ll make them sound like an imbecile. That’s just how transcription works. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/297 "2008-11-11T02:15:36Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > “What do we want!?” > > “Moderation!” > > “When do we want it!?” > > “As soon as the majority of the parties at the bargaining table agree that it’s reasonably convenient to pursue!” > > Not really much of a rallying cry, there… 😉 “DEATH TO INTOLERANCE ! PUT THE EXTREMISTS TO THE SWORD; GOD WILL KNOW HIS OWN !” How’s that ? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/298 "2008-11-11T02:24:18Z")
Honestly, Holy Joe is a pretty typical Conservative Jew, if you ask me. Like what happened to Ed Koch after 9/11. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/299 "2008-11-11T02:27:13Z")
Should we start calling him Joe the Senator now? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/300 "2008-11-11T02:29:19Z")
(deleted gammar, someone else saw it.) Nah. Holy Joe’s his proper nickname. He’s a social conservative and fiscal liberal. Can’t stand the man myself, he stands for censorship and a bunch of other things… but he hasn’t been changing his stances to fit the tides. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420.md?page=16)