# Scum and villainy: Republicans already throwing Palin under the bus. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2008, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420 "2008-11-06T05:44:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/101 "2008-11-06T18:35:41Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > But they do need to be more conservative–for certain values of the word. They need to be more respectful of civil liberties and the Constitution; they need to be more fiscally responsible; and they need to place their loyalty to the nation above their loyalty to the country. They also need to learn to not give a crap which consenting adults are boinking other consenting aduts. This basically sums up my feelings and reasons for voting Dem. If the Republican party would return to the core values it espouses, protect our civil liberties, quit pandering to religious zealots who are determined to foist their personal values on an entire nation and practice the fiscal responsibility they claim to hold so dear, I’d be the first in line to throw my support behind them. I’ll wait and see if this happens any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/102 "2008-11-06T18:43:32Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Just about every Republican commentator I’ve heard has given credit to Obama for his campaign, and said that they will learn from it. I have no doubt that they will change in the tactical sense. I specifically heard a Republican talk radio host yesterday say, “McCain ran a very clean and honorable campaign. There was nothing he could have done differently. This election was a referendum on Bush.” This suggests to me that he, at least, was not interested in self-analysis, and probably _expects_ the next Republican campaign to be run the same way. Naturally, I expect the actual campaign managers to study Obama’s campaign very carefully, but it’s still amusing. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/103 "2008-11-06T18:45:52Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, Mike Duncan (RNC Chairman) credited Obama last night and then asserted that the campaign had received millions in illegal campaign contributions. Didn’t Eddie Izzard say, on election night, that he had contributed to the campaign monetarily? While I did vote for Obama, that made me wince. As he is not an American citizen, that _was_ an illegal campaign contribution. I worry there very well may have been more fuckups like that and they’ll all be dragged out four years from now. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/104 "2008-11-06T18:47:36Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, Mike Duncan (RNC Chairman) credited Obama last night and then asserted that the campaign had received millions in illegal campaign contributions. I’ve overestimated the ethics of Republicans again. That should show me to consider the Republicans they invite to talk on NPR as indicative of the mainstream. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/105 "2008-11-06T18:54:16Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > they do need to be more conservative–for certain values of the word. They need to be more respectful of civil liberties and the Constitution; they need to be more fiscally responsible; and they need to place their loyalty to the nation above their loyalty to the country. They also need to learn to not give a crap which consenting adults are boinking other consenting aduts. So, you’re saying they need to be **Democrats**? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/106 "2008-11-06T19:02:10Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > So, you’re saying they need to be **Democrats**? 😉 Maybe, but the Democrats don’t respect the 2nd Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/107 "2008-11-06T19:29:27Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > So, you’re saying they need to be **Democrats**? 😉 No, because as Democrats they’d be for expansion of social welfare programs and want to ban guns. I’ll leave you to guess which of those annoys me. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/108 "2008-11-06T19:30:39Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > Maybe, but the Democrats don’t respect the 2nd Amendment. There’s no particular reason they must be so. Part of Obama’s campaign was to explicitly say, “I’m not after your guns.” ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/109 "2008-11-06T19:36:11Z")
> [@CaerieD](#): > > Didn’t Eddie Izzard say, on election night, that he had contributed to the campaign monetarily? While I did vote for Obama, that made me wince. As he is not an American citizen, that _was_ an illegal campaign contribution. I worry there very well may have been more fuckups like that and they’ll all be dragged out four years from now. Actually, non-citizens can donate, as long as they are have attained permanent resident status. I have no idea what Izzard’s status is, but it’s not true that ONLY citizens can donate. The donation pages of John McCain and Barack Obama’s campaign websites have the following sentences as a required qualification for donating: > [@McCain campaign](#): > > I am a U.S. citizen or lawfully admitted permanent U.S. resident. > [@Obama campaign](#): > > I am a United States citizen or a permanent resident alien. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/110 "2008-11-06T19:38:02Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > There’s no particular reason they must be so. Part of Obama’s campaign was to explicitly say, “I’m not after your guns.” He’s said very very little. And yet on his [own website](http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/#crime-and-law-enforcement): > [@](#): > > They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/111 "2008-11-06T19:50:57Z")
Oh, just keep the fucking things! Jeebus, but I’m sick of listening you guys piss and moan about your fetish objects! The blue helmets are not coming, the black helicopters are not coming. Just keep 'em out of the hands of children and morons, please? Beyond that, fuck 'em, we don’t care any more. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/112 "2008-11-06T19:56:50Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > She didn’t know what countries make up NAFTA. > > She didn’t know that Africa is a continent. > > Shockingly stupid person. I’m disappointed in you. Here of all places we should know the difference between ignorance and stupidity. That’s not to say she isn’t also stupid as well as ignorant, mind… ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/113 "2008-11-06T20:07:24Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I’m disappointed in you. Here of all places we should know the difference between ignorance and stupidity. > > That’s not to say she isn’t also stupid as well as ignorant, mind… For a woman of her age and background not to know such things can only be attributed to stupidity–by which I mean willful and arrogant ignorance born of a conviction that only the verities of her youth and personal experience are of any moment. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/114 "2008-11-06T20:09:20Z")
> [@CaerieD](#): > > Didn’t Eddie Izzard say, on election night, that he had contributed to the campaign monetarily? While I did vote for Obama, that made me wince. As he is not an American citizen, that _was_ an illegal campaign contribution. I worry there very well may have been more fuckups like that and they’ll all be dragged out four years from now. Eddie Izzard is a permanent resident (green card holder) and can donate to any US campaign as long as he’s in the US at the time. Otherwise my donation woulda been illegal too! ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/115 "2008-11-06T20:09:29Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > For a woman of her age and background not to know such things can only be attributed to stupidity–by which I mean willful and arrogant ignorance born of a conviction that only the verities of her youth and personal experience are of any moment. Yeah I’m a Republican but I gotta play devil’s advocate here. If Palin claimed to be good on foreign policy, knowledge of basic geography is step #1. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/116 "2008-11-06T20:13:35Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > Yeah I’m a Republican but I gotta play devil’s advocate here. If Palin claimed to be good on foreign policy, knowledge of basic geography is step #1. 😕 How are you playing devil’s advocate, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/117 "2008-11-06T20:14:38Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > Yeah I’m a Republican but I gotta play devil’s advocate here. If Palin claimed to be good on foreign policy, knowledge of basic geography is step #1. In her defense, she does seem to know where Russia is. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/118 "2008-11-06T20:16:08Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Yeah, I can understand a certain amount of schadenfreude, but there HAS TO BE a fiscally conservative party in this country, or things will go to hell in the other direction. The federal budget was balanced during the Clinton administration; how much more fiscally conservative do you want? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/119 "2008-11-06T20:21:59Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Yeah, I can understand a certain amount of schadenfreude, but there HAS TO BE a fiscally conservative party in this country, or things will go to hell in the other direction. I would very much like to see a turn toward the center for the Republican party. I thought McCain might be a harbinger of that, but then Palin sprang up. Honorable conservatism is quite possible. The trouble is the republicans are not fiscally conservative. They spend and spend, racking up huge amounts of debt. If they would return to financial responsibility, and honorable-HandsOff-SmallGoverment-conservatism, I’d vote for them. But the only reason they have even a reputation for being fiscally conservative is because they attack every other party for not being fiscally conservative. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420/120 "2008-11-06T20:22:15Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I’ve been browsing conservative blogs, and it seems that many conservatives (most of whom at least liked Palin) are angry about this. REALLY angry. After seeing someone they feel was a weak candidate running a weak campaign, capping off years of the President and Republican Congress doing stuff that they think betrayed conservative principles and arguably set up the mess they’re in, this anonymous blaming of someone they could actually support is just the last straw. One prominent blog is promising to find out who the staffers are, and make sure that any candidate they work for in the future gets zero support. > > Worse yet was the fact that Fox News was airing this. It adds to the feeling that the Republican establishment in DC has totally lost touch with their core values and constituents, many of whom are agitating for changes in leadership. > > We’ll see how this shakes out. I think the GOP establishment knows that: 1)Palin at the top of a future ticket would be a 1964-scale debacle and 2)the GOP would have a **real** “PUMA\* schism” if Palin were denied the nomination. The only way out of that dilemma is to kneecap her _now_ and hope the anger blows over before the next election cycle. (though they might use a different acronymn, such as “Movin’ Out, Only Sarah Excites” (MOOSE)) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-and-villainy-republicans-already-throwing-palin-under-the-bus/471420.md?page=7)