# Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 24, 2010, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202 "2010-01-24T05:10:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2010, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/341 "2010-01-30T11:59:40Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > This is correct. > > Btw, are any other players besides myself and amrussell based outside the US? FYI, I’m from the Netherlands (GMT+1) and male. And I made a page with [some bookmarks for the game](http://www.xs4all.nl/~walterln/Mafia/scum_mafia_bookmark.html). > [@Zeriel](#): > > Keep in mind, and this isn’t being arrogant, but it happens–hell, last game, I posted a suspicion post on day one and two out of the three names I put down were scum. Well, an anecdote isn’t data - in the situation of a double lynch we need put up a list of two people with at least one scum, have a majority agree on it and handle consider scum sabotaging it. > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Again: I’m in favor of double PC-lysing because the votes we emit yield information. A Night kill by the vigilante renders no information, that’s why I’m against it, as of now. Already pointed out by someone else, but this seems to make no sense on first sight: the vigilante can make a better choice (vote information + death reveal) than a second lynch the Day before. But **Diggit** ’s is about the information gain: a lynch by vote might have information of scum trying to derail it, where a vigilante kill doesn’t (unless he kills a close runner-up). But I don’t see how it follows that a double player lynch is better than one from that argument? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2010, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/342 "2010-01-30T13:27:10Z")
Feveryone’sI - I will not be much around this weekend. My daughter has an estimated 312 activities in the next two days, and I’m going to try to paint my bedroom, so my Mafia time will be severely limited until Sunday night. I will say that the votes for **sach** and the votes for **peeker** both look weird to me, but I don’t have time to look closer until Sunday night. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2010, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/343 "2010-01-30T13:40:34Z")
I may be limited this weekend as well. It’s my daughter’s first birthday on Sunday and I have to prep for the party and entertain my mom, who is in town for the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/344 "2010-01-30T15:20:30Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Snipped > > If I had wanted to make your **fluiddruid** case, I would just have sticked to the ‘policy vote’ argument, perhaps a mention of the ‘third vote = scum’ tell. > > I’m more of the ‘don’t hold grudges, play the game (the role)’. If it doesn’t work that way for you, it’s OK. To me the ‘personal equity’ sticks out and that is what I think triggers other people as well, so try to be aware of that. You just call it some hunch or insight you had instead of dwelling on whether ‘it’s a grudge or not or killing golden gooses’. Please just get your vote on record _without_ the quotes. I don’t buy into the entire “Third vote” or even the “If you point out the third vote” extension. If you ask me, it is a step above “who ever smelt it dealt it” I find it interesting to find that “tell” blended in among the other items you bring forth. Not to mention that Fluid’s is the fourth, and not the third. As you point out, my vote is part policy. I have not, and will not deny that. If we can call a bandwagon an “attack”, then yes, I feel like Peeker is being attacked with this vote. I don’t think anyone would argue that I am closer to Peeker in style than the majority. It is hard for me to separate the votes piling on him, from my personal Mafia history. I see something wrong, and I bring it forward, adding to it what I can. It so happens that I am well versed in 1) Having a first day bandwagon on me and 2) Having a perception of being cryptic. This allows me to add to the discussion with my perspective and input. When it comes to votes on Peeker, based on how… “Peeker” he is, I feel I have a lot of perspective in input. I am only doing what I think makes for a good Mafia game. I will not apologize for how I am playing _this_ game. I cannot explain what changed, because I can not point to one specific point where I did change. If I had to pick between my play style in previous games, or my marked change in this one, I remain here. This would include the change from quantity to quality, YMMV. [Incidentally, I for one am glad to break from the double space though diarrhea I used to have.] ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/345 "2010-01-31T02:07:27Z")
So i just did a re-read. I’m not feeling as good about the **sach** vote as I was, and I think I’m coming dangerously close to breaking one of my own rules about good Mafia play (that is, “There’s no such thing as anti-Town strategy discussion” as long as it’s strategy discussion and not pushing a strategy.) since **sach** upon reread isn’t pushing his plan nearly as hard as my initial impression. **Peeker** , on the other hand, has chosen to not address WHY he’s playing the “vote strong players first” strategy, first challenging me to prove he said that and (rather violently) accusing me of making it up, and has chosen instead to start playing an entire deck’s worth of victim cards. Scummy enough in my book. **Peeks** , if you wanna shed my vote, you’ll come back with a reasoned argument why lynching strong players is a good strategy and not just a way to maximize one’s chances of crippling town. **unvote sachertorte vote spawn** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/346 "2010-01-31T02:54:01Z")
bad petulant child, bad. first, apologies to **freud**. apparently the way i play this game is enough to cause knee jerks. i have to look in the mirror for that one. **z** i know that i am not scum. therefore i am going to see what the “stronger” players have to say. no sense ganging up on **milktoast newbie**. i wanna see what the heavy weights have to say. i think even **story** alluded to such when he basically expected my vote. shoot he even said so in the sign up, fgs. it’s one stinking vote. i don’t think **story** has even come close to approaching the level of apopalexy that you have. so it was a pseudo random vote based on policy. just to see what would happen. well, i can see what happened. either lazy town or opportunistic scum took the approach of “well shoot he has to be scum sometime” or “shoot this is way easy”. what’s gonna be fucked if the pseudo random crapped out green 00’s. either way when you get your wish and i get lysed and flip plankton you will be found out as either lazy town or scum. but you are a pretty good player, so i really doubt the lazy town option. my vote will stand on you. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/347 "2010-01-31T03:22:21Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > bad petulant child, bad. > > first, apologies to **freud**. apparently the way i play this game is enough to cause knee jerks. i have to look in the mirror for that one. > > **z** i know that i am not scum. therefore i am going to see what the “stronger” players have to say. no sense ganging up on **milktoast newbie**. i wanna see what the heavy weights have to say. i think even **story** alluded to such when he basically expected my vote. shoot he even said so in the sign up, fgs. it’s one stinking vote. i don’t think **story** has even come close to approaching the level of apopalexy that you have. > > so it was a pseudo random vote based on policy. just to see what would happen. well, i can see what happened. either lazy town or opportunistic scum took the approach of “well shoot he has to be scum sometime” or “shoot this is way easy”. what’s gonna be fucked if the pseudo random crapped out green 00’s. > > either way when you get your wish and i get lysed and flip plankton you will be found out as either lazy town or scum. but you are a pretty good player, so i really doubt the lazy town option. > > my vote will stand on you. So, let me summarize to see if I understand… peeker put out a near random vote with no reasoning. peeker was called on it by Zeriel and others. peeker flipped out and got defensive and aggressive peeker decided that people who told him that a near random vote with no reasoning is bad and voted for one of the people pointing it out. peeker defends his vote on Zeriel with new reasoning that Zeriel is obviously too experienced to cast such a poor vote. He now claims that his near random vote with no reasoning was actually a Scum trap and he caught Zeriel. Is that about it? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/348 "2010-01-31T04:08:59Z")
yep. i a conniving little shit when i am niller. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/349 "2010-01-31T04:11:48Z")
when you have a brunson and are short staked. stir the pot and see what bubbles. maybe you get lucky maybe you just push. either way, you get data. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/350 "2010-01-31T04:12:33Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > yep. > > i a conniving little shit when i am niller. you know, if you really are Vanilla, I do wish you’d spend some of your energy trying to find Scum instead of voting for bad or random reasons and then getting all defensive when people accuse you of that. The thing is, in a couple of recent games where you have been Town, you’ve played just this way. However, I wouldn’t put it past you to realize this and try to use it to your advantage either… ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/351 "2010-01-31T04:15:49Z")
seriously. when i flip plankton. go back and read as if the people calling for my lynch are just mis guided townies or scum looking for a reason. just do that, please. for goodness sakes. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/352 "2010-01-31T04:23:25Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > you know, if you really are Vanilla, I do wish you’d spend some of your energy trying to find Scum instead of voting for bad or random reasons and then getting all defensive when people accuse you of that. > > The thing is, in a couple of recent games where you have been Town, you’ve played just this way. However, I wouldn’t put it past you to realize this and try to use it to your advantage either… and how would you suggest that we do this loverboy? wait for a scarlet letter to form on their head like a catholic saint? or would one engage in discourse? or, perhaps silence will make it all obvious? a pseudo random vote ala **blam** creates this level of consternation. such that other ill advised votes are cast. this is progress? this is scum hunting, in your words? nah, you know it as well as i, **ed** this is either laziness or opportunistic actions. the first is inexcusable, the second is to be expected. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/353 "2010-01-31T04:26:44Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > seriously. when i flip plankton. go back and read as if the people calling for my lynch are just mis guided townies or scum looking for a reason. just do that, please. for goodness sakes. but the people who voted for you did so because you’re vote was weak. And then you come back and voted for Zeriel because he should have known that your weak vote was just a weak vote trying to ‘stir the pot’ and since he obviously didn’t know better, he must be Scum…and we should look at all the people who pointed out your vote was weak. That’s another weak reason. Your vote was awful. The people who pointed it out were pointing out that your vote was awful. Could they be Scum? yes, of course. Could they be pointing out that you had a weak vote with poor to non-existent reasoning? Well, yes, they were. You seem to think that you can somehow tell the difference. Please, explain that to me. Your claim that the votes on you are either from Scum or lazy Town is ridiculous. The votes on you are because you cast a lousy vote and no one else has done anything suspicious. How is that lazy? and how is that a Scum-tell? You’re just following up one weak vote with another weak vote. Zeriel called you out on voting for a strong player. You accused him of making up a reason and voted for him. He pointed out where you said you were going to vote for a strong player. You changed your reason for voting for him. You are making noise. You are changing your story. Your votes are weak. You can play better than this. Maybe you’re acting this way as a frustrated Townie, but I’m starting to think you aren’t. I think you took some early heat and are trying to take advantage of your recent poor play as Town and tell everyone not to make the same mistake as before. I’m not buying what you’re trying to sell. \*\* vote peeker vote Spawn\*\* ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/354 "2010-01-31T04:29:25Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and how would you suggest that we do this loverboy? wait for a scarlet letter to form on their head like a catholic saint? or would one engage in discourse? or, perhaps silence will make it all obvious? > > a pseudo random vote ala **blam** creates this level of consternation. such that other ill advised votes are cast. this is progress? this is scum hunting, in your words? nah, you know it as well as i, **ed** this is either laziness or opportunistic actions. > > the first is inexcusable, the second is to be expected. no the vote on story was fine. It’s your defense of it later, your switch to Zeriel and your changing reasons for voting Zeriel that are lousy Scum hunting. People calling you out on a poor vote is not a Scum-tell. Labeling them ‘either lazy or Scum’ isn’t accurate. Sure, you’ve stirred up the pot. But are you finding Scum or just obscuring things? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/355 "2010-01-31T04:33:40Z")
pond. when i flip plankton, remeber what i have posted. i already, said that i was going to vote for **story** or **sach** depening on who posted first. now, i have to assume that anyone who has played this game knows that this is a placeholder vote. and to be honest with rl stuff coming up i kind of have to die quickly. so stirring the pot is the best i could do for town. hopefully i have given the rest of the town/pond some stuff to look at. the only thing i would continue to caution is that this could truly be town on town stupidity. don’t think so in its entirety but some of the folks not engaged are most definitely not town. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/356 "2010-01-31T04:37:04Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > no the vote on story was fine. It’s your defense of it later, your switch to Zeriel and your changing reasons for voting Zeriel that are lousy Scum hunting. > > People calling you out on a poor vote is not a Scum-tell. Labeling them ‘either lazy or Scum’ isn’t accurate. > > Sure, you’ve stirred up the pot. But are you finding Scum or just obscuring things? **ed** my defense was that he posted first and that was my criteria. hey, i already said it was a “cruddy” vote. but it was also a placeholder, my friend. what’s fucking interesting is that a whole slew of you folks are getting all worked up about it while the person i voted for shrugged it off. now, that is interesting. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/357 "2010-01-31T04:37:42Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > pond. when i flip plankton, remeber what i have posted. > > i already, said that i was going to vote for **story** or **sach** depening on who posted first. now, i have to assume that anyone who has played this game knows that this is a placeholder vote. and to be honest with rl stuff coming up i kind of have to die quickly. so stirring the pot is the best i could do for town. hopefully i have given the rest of the town/pond some stuff to look at. the only thing i would continue to caution is that this could truly be town on town stupidity. don’t think so in its entirety but some of the folks not engaged are most definitely not town. I’m feeling better about my vote now that you’ve completely backpedaled. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/358 "2010-01-31T04:38:58Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > no the vote on story was fine. It’s your defense of it later, your switch to Zeriel and your changing reasons for voting Zeriel that are lousy Scum hunting. > > People calling you out on a poor vote is not a Scum-tell. Labeling them ‘either lazy or Scum’ isn’t accurate. > > Sure, you’ve stirred up the pot. But are you finding Scum or just obscuring things? and by the way. yeh, i think i’ve found at least one if not two scum in this interchange. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/359 "2010-01-31T04:40:12Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **ed** my defense was that he posted first and that was my criteria. hey, i already said it was a “cruddy” vote. but it was also a placeholder, my friend. > > what’s fucking interesting is that a whole slew of you folks are getting all worked up about it while the person i voted for shrugged it off. now, that is interesting. Peeker, if I recall correctly, you were the one getting worked up when others pointed out that it was a cruddy vote. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/360 "2010-01-31T04:41:16Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m feeling better about my vote now that you’ve completely backpedaled. uh blink. where? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=19)