# Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 24, 2010, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202 "2010-01-24T05:10:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1081 "2010-02-11T19:22:28Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > Picking someone who’s almost certainly going to be modkilled strikes me as more likely to be scummy than townie. You’re another person who ought to bear close scrutiny, as a few have agitated for just now. I do not know if Scuba is Scum or not. Scum Do. Scum would NOT vote for Scuba, because as you say, his days are numbered. They would be all to eager to vote for someone else, and let Chronos take care of the rest. Then again, if Scuba is scum, they would also not vote for him. - I do not have a better place for my vote currently, I want to give Story benefit of the doubt. I don’t want to vote for anyone else. I could be wrong on my vote, I could be wrong on any other vote. Rather than gamble, why can’t I place a vote on someone who probably will not get lynched in the short term? \*\* Why is it scummy of me to NOT be the deciding vote for someone ? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1082 "2010-02-11T19:25:20Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > This is in reference to _Colorless_? I don’t remember someone fake claiming vigilante but **peeker** was blocked consistently there no? That’s a different situation to what we have here. You said that Vig never counter claim. I offered a case where a Vig did counter claim. I don’t see how it is a different situation there. If you want to add on more to the specifics of the rest of the game… > [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Yeah, **pedescribe** claimed Vig, but then **peeker** counterclaimed, revealing **ped** as the serial killer. We scum never killed off **peeker** preferring instead to role block him and use the kill on someone else. And how did we win that game again Slit? Didn’t Peeker shoot that final night that handed us the win? Obviously he wasn’t role blocked all of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1083 "2010-02-11T19:28:12Z")
We didn’t block him the whole time, you’re right. And his kill did win the game for us–he was a pretty huge liability for town. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1084 "2010-02-11T19:30:40Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I do not know if Scuba is Scum or not. > > Scum Do. > > Scum would NOT vote for Scuba, because as you say, his days are numbered. They would be all to eager to vote for someone else, and let Chronos take care of the rest. > …why is it scummy of me to NOT be the deciding vote for someone ? \*\* I have scant moments, but: you obviously know Scuba Ben won’t be lynched. The point is not to get him lynched as you’ve stated here, but to avoid being a decisive vote. Avoiding being decisive if you honestly think neither candidate is good is not scummy – picking an absent, soon-to-be-modkilled candidate who can’t fight back does strike me as scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1085 "2010-02-11T19:33:39Z")
Natlaw : My vote on Scuba is based on if he is Subbed. If a player is subbed, the new subbing in player should not get a blank slate. The actions of the prior player are still valid with respect to the role they played. If X is scum, and is subbed out for Y, When Y comes into play he is every bit as scummy as X was. I believe Scuba is scum, I voted for him because I do not believe currently that anyone else is more scummy. This is what I mean by “Safe”. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1086 "2010-02-11T19:34:27Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > We didn’t block him the whole time, you’re right. And his kill did win the game for us–he was a pretty huge liability for town. Which, if you go back to the original reason why **Meeko** brought up **peeker** in the first place, leads me to say that nobody should be using **peeker** as a guideline for how to play a good Town role, ever. No offense, **peeker** , but he can tend to be a huge distraction and is almost always an early mislynch, and the one time when he wasn’t, he managed to pick off Townies every time we let him kill someone. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1087 "2010-02-11T19:35:30Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Scum would NOT vote for Scuba, because as you say, his days are numbered. They would be all to eager to vote for someone else, and let Chronos take care of the rest. > > Then again, if Scuba is scum, they would also not vote for him. Why not if he’s might be mod-killed anyway? But you seem to be voting for him just to have a vote, no other reason. > [@](#): > > Why is it scummy of me to NOT be the deciding vote for someone ? Because we don’t was scum to happily not vote and make the vote record useless where only town vote. > [@Meeko](#): > > You said that Vig never counter claim. I offered a case where a Vig did counter claim. I don’t see how it is a different situation there. Wasn’t he blocked before he claimed? If yes, then he might not have been able to kill, thus had to claim. But typically, it better not claim and kill - because you would have a sure target and don’t have to reveal yourself to scum. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1088 "2010-02-11T19:36:11Z")
Meeko, why do you think Scuba is scum? If you feel so strongly this way, why is this fact only coming to light NOW? I will back a Meeko lynch if others agree. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1089 "2010-02-11T19:39:45Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > I have scant moments, but: you obviously know Scuba Ben won’t be lynched. The point is not to get him lynched as you’ve stated here, but to avoid being a decisive vote. Avoiding being decisive if you honestly think neither candidate is good is not scummy – picking an absent, soon-to-be-modkilled candidate who can’t fight back does strike me as scummy. I do not get this. A similar situation came up in LOST where people were on me for not voting for someone who ended up being Town. \*\* Are you suggesting that voting for town is pro town\*? \*\* \*I don’t know if Scuba or Story are town or not. I am trying to make a general point here. Further, I fail to see how voting for someone who as of right now will not get lynched can be considered Scummy. If my vote broke a tie, that is lightyears. LIGHT YEARS more scummy than voting for someone that is an also ran. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1090 "2010-02-11T19:43:14Z")
Meeko, you are overly concerned with what will make you look scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1091 "2010-02-11T19:46:51Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Meeko, why do you think Scuba is scum? > If you feel so strongly this way, why is this fact only coming to light NOW? > > I will back a Meeko lynch if others agree. It’s not : > [@Meeko](#): > > Reviewing the game in order to make my above WOW post got me thinking about Peeker. > > The point has been raised that Peeker as scum would not have made the play he appears to be making. > > So, when I read peeker’s posts, is he feeding me Peeker brand wine, or Scum brand wine? > > Either way, I don’t think peeker as scum would engage the entire thing for as long as he has. My bet is he got baited by Pond. I think the reactions are Peeker’s first, and his alignment second. > > More noise than signal right now, and I think we hit on something else in the interim. > > I could be wrong here. But I think I talked myself into a second unvote. My reasons are in the WOW-ish post above. > > Unvote Peeker > > Vote Scuba\_Ben ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1092 "2010-02-11T19:48:23Z")
Um. That was Yesterday right? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1093 "2010-02-11T19:49:07Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > **Zeriel** : Way too quiet, and nearly silent on substantial matters. Speak up. IIRC this is very unlike you, though as I recall you were a doctor or something in one of my games, so maybe that’s what spurred more involvement, but still… My play involvement is heavily dependent on my workload–when I was in your game, I was working at a different job and as an assistant, now I’m the only guy in my department here so it comes and goes and right now it’s going hard. =P On **Storyteller** : fair enough. That’s a pretty crucial disadvantage for any number of reasons, primarily in “lack of effectiveness feedback” and “morale boost from scum deaths”. Benefit of the doubt for now. **unvote storyteller** **vote spawn** It seems like you might choose to announce who you’re going to kill when you do decide to utilize your powers, if only so we have some confirmation of your role. This last bit of stuff with **Meeko** is kinda odd. But only in the sense that it’s closer to his old playstyle. Slow down a bit there, compadre. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1094 "2010-02-11T19:50:31Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Um. That was Yesterday right? Oh sorry. I forgot that players alignment changes at dawn. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1095 "2010-02-11T19:51:59Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > It seems like you might choose to announce who you’re going to kill when you do decide to utilize your powers, if only so we have some confirmation of your role. I disagree. The lack of information about a dead body will confirm without having to preempt the reveal. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1096 "2010-02-11T19:53:00Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Oh sorry. I forgot that players alignment changes at dawn. No. The point is you didn’t voice these concerns at all Today, and are only going back to it at the 11th hour. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1097 "2010-02-11T19:53:08Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > This last bit of stuff with **Meeko** is kinda odd. But only in the sense that it’s closer to his old playstyle. Slow down a bit there, compadre. I would love nothing more than to do so. The way I am playing right now is not helpping anyone, agreed. But, it does take two to tango. [Not to you personally Z] If somoene can show me how we all got here, I would love for that to happen. I wanted information on Story, I got it, and I acted on it. I don’t see how that got us here. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1098 "2010-02-11T19:55:12Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > No. The point is you didn’t voice these concerns at all Today, and are only going back to it at the 11th hour. Because I don’t have the time [as you point out] to make a case for anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1099 "2010-02-11T19:57:20Z")
You have voted for a host of people: 6: Meeko – Spawn (715), KellyCriterion (824-874), fluiddruid (987-1009), TexCat (1009-1013), storyteller (1013) Why is Scuba only suddenly coming up now? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1100 "2010-02-11T20:00:52Z")
The Spawn votes fluiddruid and Oredigger Final vote total: Spawn 15 fluiddruid 6 storyteller0910 4 KellyCriterion 2 Mahaloth 3 Scuba Ben 1 Meeko 1 Oredigger77 1 [del]1: special ed[/del] 2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies – Spawn (727), fluiddruid (975) 3: Drain Bead – Spawn (737), [del]Rysto[/del] (785-909), fluiddruid (971) 4: Oredigger77 – Spawn (717), fluiddruid (949) 5: storyteller0910 – [del]fluiddruid (968), Spawn (968), sachertorte (989)[/del] 6: Meeko – Spawn (715), [del]KellyCriterion[/del] (824-874), [del]fluiddruid[/del] (987-1009), [del]TexCat[/del] (1009-1013), [del]storyteller[/del] (1013-1045), Scuba Ben (1045) 7: Mahaloth – Spawn (721), KellyCriterion (778) 8: Freudian Slit – Spawn (718), [del]Rysto[/del] (802-1032), storyteller (1032) 9: USCDiver – Spawn (749) 10: Alka Seltzer – Spawn (821), Storyteller (900) [del]11: peekercpa[/del] 12: Natlaw – [del]KellyCriterion[/del] (886-1061), Meeko (1061) 13: Zeriel – [del]Drain Bead[/del] (796-901), KellyCriterion (796), Spawn (901-1006, 1093), [del]storyteller[/del] (1006-1093) 14: DiggitCamara – [del]Drain Bead[/del] (795-894), fluiddruid (1023), spawn (1023) 15: amrussell – [del]Drain Bead[/del] (867-880), Mahaloth (959), Spawn (994) 16: KellyCriterion – Spawn (740), Mahaloth (838) 17: Scuba\_Ben 18: sachertorte – [del]Mahaloth[/del] (860-1008), Spawn (864), storyteller (1008) 19: fluiddruid – Spawn (804), storyteller (851) 20: TexCat – Spawn (722), Mahaloth (1010) 21: Rysto – Spawn (917), fluid (917) By my count, **Storyteller** currently has three votes in place, and therefore none of them will be counted Again, the denizens of the Pond agreed on killing the Spawn, and though consensus was not as strong as last year, the decision was still unambiguous. As before, the Spawn made no attempt to defend itself, and was no match for the combined efforts of the Pond. **A Spawn is dead** But then the consensus broke down. It was a very close thing, but the Spawn had already started attacking **fluiddruid** before it was lysed, and that ended up deciding matters: It would be the already-weakened **fluiddruid** that would die. Her organelles showed a familiar pattern: She looked just like the late **peekercpa** , on the inside. **fluiddruid, a Plankton, is dead** It is now Winter 2. Summer 3 will begin in 48 hours, on Saturday at 1:00 MST. There are currently no Spawn in the Pond. Strategy discussion should be put on hold. Also, Scuba Ben has not posted for the entire Summer, and so is removed from the game. He will be replaced by **Red Skeezix**. Welcome, Red. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=56)