# Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 24, 2010, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202 "2010-01-24T05:10:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1321 "2010-02-18T19:24:38Z")
**Vote Kelly** The defensive/aggressive snark seems out of place, especially for someone who has come across as not having a handle on various game mechanics and their potential implications. His case presented against Mahaloth was very early, and very poor and yet here we are with Mahaloth up to his neck in a tie for the noose. TexCat - a roleblocker, should there be one, could play merry hob with your plan. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1322 "2010-02-18T19:36:49Z")
Or a redirector. Really, leash-the-vig is always a spectacularly bad idea, to the point that I think anyone who suggests it is automatically scummy. Again, reference Colorless, where I (as Scum trying to score townie points) pointed out the flaws of leash-the-vig, and my teammate Freudian came along and defended it, because it would have been great for us at the time. Mind you, the actual viggings weren’t much worse, but hey. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1323 "2010-02-18T19:46:09Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > **Vote Kelly** The defensive/aggressive snark seems out of place, especially for someone who has come across as not having a handle on various game mechanics and their potential implications. His case presented against Mahaloth was very early, and very poor and yet here we are with Mahaloth up to his neck in a tie for the noose. See, it’s not that I disagree with any of the points here as facts. They are all true. For instance, the defensive/aggressive snark is a bit odd, and certainly exists. But I can’t see why it’s an indicator of Scum rather than just a player who has decided to play defensively/aggressively. I dunno. But I know this: **Mahaloth** has claimed Plankton. **Kelly Criterion** has not claimed (or did he? Did I miss it? I don’t think I did), and may never do so if he happens to not be around. Since **Mahaloth** claimed Plankton, what we have seen is a shift from Mahaloth-as-leader to Kelly-as-leader. If both Mahaloth and Kelly turn out to be non-Scum, then we might want to revisit this moment down the line. Why? Well, imagine for a moment that you are Scum. There are two candidates on the block, and in this hypothetical, both are Town (or at least, non-Scum; as Scum, that’s all you can know about them). There is mild pressure to place your vote on one or the other; you can probably get away with not doing so, but you can also get away with shifting a vote to one of the two candidates for sort of minimal reasons, because after all, there’s a consensus developing that voting for one or the other is the pro-Town thing to do, right? So you have these two candidates, and one of them is in the lead by a narrow margin. And that leader claims Vanilla. The non-leader has not claimed. If you were Scum, wouldn’t you feel a certain amount of motivation to place your vote to move the non-leader into the lead? Maybe it’s the Detective, or some other power role that you’d be happier without. And if not, well, no harm done, one vanilla gets lynched instead of another. Later, when both are revealed to have been Town, your late add-on vote won’t look suspicious. * * * Of course, this might not be all that relevant. If **Mahaloth** is Scum and **Kelly** is Town, a late vote for **Kelly** could be an effort to rescue the former. Hm. In which case, the late votes for **Kelly** _still_ look a little suspicious, don’t they? If **Kelly** is Scum and **Mahaloth** is Town… well, in such a case the late votes for **Kelly** don’t really indicate anything at all, and this is a useless road to travel. * * * I am not going to vote for either **Mahaloth** or **Kelly** right now. I weakly oppose **Kelly’s** lynch (I don’t see the case against him as having much merit and worry that he hasn’t had a chance to claim) but cannot prevent it with my vote; I am more or less agnostic regarding **Mahaloth**. I’ll continue to monitor the situation and _will_ change my vote to avert a tie, if necessary. But I am going to vote. Those two late votes for **Kelly** seem very odd to me, for the reasons above. **Rysto’s** , in particular, seems oddly undermotivated for a vote that creates a tie (undesirable). So: **unvote all** **vote Rysto** I retain my other vote, unused, in order that I might apply it if any funny business seems to be happening with the lynch. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1324 "2010-02-18T19:49:43Z")
I can see any number of problems, but I still think it’s worth a shot. I would hope that pondie blockers and redirectors would stay out of the way, and I don’t know why scum would bother getting in the way if Story is indeed a pondie vig. If they do, then that buys us some info, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1325 "2010-02-18T19:49:48Z")
Wonderful, another last minute lynch. I don’t see why a scum Kelly would go off on one with a probable mislynch in the bag. I don’t rate cross-bussing to be particularly likely, it’s not a good move for scum early in the game. **Unvote Storyteller** **Vote Mahaloth** ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1326 "2010-02-18T19:51:12Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Or a redirector. Really, leash-the-vig is always a spectacularly bad idea, to the point that I think anyone who suggests it is automatically scummy. Again, reference Colorless, where I (as Scum trying to score townie points) pointed out the flaws of leash-the-vig, and my teammate Freudian came along and defended it, because it would have been great for us at the time. Mind you, the actual viggings weren’t much worse, but hey. In fairness, **TexCat** doesn’t think I’m telling the truth. What he’s proposing isn’t really “leash-the-Vig,” at least, not in his head. He doesn’t think I’ll be blocked or redirected by the Scum because he thinks I’m one of them. From that standpoint, I guess it makes sense. Although **Texcat** ’s gambit here amounts to an unforced claim of Vanilla, which is problematic. If he’s Town, he’s basically just narrowed the hiding pool for the power roles by one - and all as part of a plan that won’t actually accomplish its intended goal (to prove my alignment one way or another). ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1327 "2010-02-18T19:53:05Z")
The case on Mahaloth makes more sense if Kelly is town. In that case, he could have been gunning for a couple of easy targets. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1328 "2010-02-18T19:54:27Z")
Is this a tie, now? **vote Mahaloth** ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1329 "2010-02-18T19:59:46Z")
**Alka** tied, it’s 7 **Mahaloth** - 6 **Kelly** now by my count. And Winter. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1330 "2010-02-18T20:14:54Z")
The Spawn votes Meeko and amrussell. Final vote total: Spawn 13 Mahaloth 7 KellyCriterion 6 Storyteller0910 2 sachertorte 1 Meeko 2 amrussell 1 Rysto 1 [del]1: special\_ed[/del] 2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies – Spawn (1139), KellyCriterion (1321) 3: Drain Bead – Mahaloth (1162), [del]Storyteller[/del] (1210-1220) 4: Oredigger77 – Spawn (1176), sachertorte (1194-1212,1214), [del]Storyteller[/del] (1212-1214) 5: storyteller0910 – [del]sachertorte[/del] (1174-1323), [del]Spawn[/del] (1174-1323), Rysto (1323), Mahaloth (1328) 6: Meeko – Spawn (1135), [del]Natlaw[/del] (1170-1295), KellyCriterion (1295) 7: Mahaloth – Spawn (1140), [del]Natlaw[/del] (1265-1306), KellyCriterion (1306) 8: Freudian Slit – Spawn (1136), KellyCriterion (1251) 9: USCDiver – Spawn (1161), Meeko (1161) 10: Alka Seltzer – [del]Storyteller[/del] (1203-1325), Spawn (1203), Mahaloth (1325) [del]11: peekercpa[/del] 12: Natlaw – Mahaloth (1263), Spawn (1263) [del]13: Zeriel[/del] 14: DiggitCamara – Storyteller (1186) 15: amrussell – Mahaloth (1172), Spawn (1173) 16: KellyCriterion – Spawn (1145), Mahaloth (1233) 17: Red Skeezix – Spawn (1146), [del]Natlaw[/del] (1222-1250), KellyCriterion (1279) 18: sachertorte – [del]Storyteller[/del] (1179-1242), Spawn (1179), Mahaloth (1296) [del]19: fluiddruid[/del] 20: TexCat – Spawn (1155), Storyteller (1155) 21: Rysto – [del]Diggit[/del] (1226-1320), Spawn (1226), KellyCriterion (1320) The denizens of the Pond seem to be getting pretty good at killing Spawn. They converged on it and made short work of it. **A Spawn is dead** They then moved on to **Mahaloth**. It seems the Pond is getting pretty good at killing Plankton, too. **Mahaloth, a Plankton, is dead** It is now Winter 3. There are currently no Spawn in the pond. Strategy discussion should be put on hold. Summer 4 will start this Saturday at the usual time. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1331 "2010-02-18T20:26:07Z")
Ah, I figured I wouldn’t make it. Looking pretty bad for us. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1332 "2010-02-18T20:28:56Z")
Lovely. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1333 "2010-02-18T21:03:32Z")
I thought, for a moment, that I would make there at the end, but alas, life for this plankton was not meant to be. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1334 "2010-02-18T21:13:11Z")
Damn. Sorry, **Maha**. Who’s thirsty? ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1335 "2010-02-18T21:31:09Z")
Aww, crap, crap, crap. Sorry **Maha**. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1336 "2010-02-18T21:44:44Z")
Damn, sorry Mahaloth. I’ll have a drink Freudian, just don’t tell what is in it. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1337 "2010-02-18T22:19:40Z")
Damn, sorry Mahaloth. Some interesting late Day action to look at toMorrow though. What are you mixing for us toNight Freudian? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1338 "2010-02-18T23:23:27Z")
I call my latest creation… Three Little Speckled Frogs! ::presents a mug with greenish brown gelatinous ooze in it and three spherical objects floating:: Enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1339 "2010-02-19T15:38:12Z")
**@Town** - I’m going away for a few days and will have limited access and time to look at the game. I’ll try to check in Sunday, and will be back home on Wednesday morning. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1340 "2010-02-20T20:01:50Z")
Once again, the denizens of the Pond roused themselves from Winter, and nature’s cycle continues. It seems that the denizens are not the only ones killing Plankton: **ComeToTheDarkSide** apparently did not Have Cookies, since she starved over the winter. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, a Plankton, is dead** But spring, as always, brings new life: **A Spawn has appeared.** Summer 4 begins now, and will end on Thursday at 1:00 PM MST. Strategy discussion may resume. There is currently one Spawn in the pond. [del]1: special\_ed[/del] [del]2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies[/del] 3: Drain Bead 4: Oredigger77 5: storyteller0910 6: Meeko 7: Mahaloth 8: Freudian Slit 9: USCDiver 10: Alka Seltzer [del]11: peekercpa[/del] 12: Natlaw [del]13: Zeriel[/del] 14: DiggitCamara 15: amrussell 16: KellyCriterion 17: Red Skeezix 18: sachertorte [del]19: fluiddruid[/del] 20: TexCat 21: Rysto [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=68)