# Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 24, 2010, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202 "2010-01-24T05:10:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1341 "2010-02-20T20:05:35Z")
**Vote Diggit** , for the same reasons as [yesterDay](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12122969&postcount=1226). To whit, his stated reasoning for his pursuit of Drain before she claimed only made sense from a scum perspective, and his case for story as an SK was weak and internally inconsistent. **Vote spawn** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1342 "2010-02-20T20:16:31Z")
\*\*Vote Kelly. \*\* I feel there was a push to save this scum from his fellow scum. The votes at the end don’t jive for me. Rather than guess the scum among the voters, I will vote the scum that was saved. **Vote Spawn** ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1343 "2010-02-20T22:09:21Z")
I’m with **Meeko**. **vote Spawn vote Kelly** ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1344 "2010-02-20T22:16:43Z")
I prefer to look at the voting record as a pivot of what the mod is showing us so, here’s how I’m looking at it simplified, and unadorned. Day 1 peekercpa: special\_ed, Mahaloth, Freudian Slit, USCDiver, Alka Seltzer, Zeriel, fluiddruid, TexCat Red Skeezix: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Oredigger77, Meeko, Natlaw, KellyCriterion fluiddruid: Drain Bead Freudian Slit: storyteller, DiggitCamara, sachertorte USCDiver: amrussell special\_ed: Rysto Day 2 fluiddruid: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Drain Bead, Oredigger77, DiggitCamara, Rysto sachertorte: storyteller Red Skeezix: Meeko KellyCriterion: Mahaloth, Zeriel storyteller: Freudian Slit, Alka Seltzer, sachertorte, fluiddruid Meeko: Natlaw Mahaloth: amrussell, KellyCriterion, TexCat Day 3 KellyCriterion: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Meeko, Mahaloth, Freudian Slit, Red Skeezix, Rysto Mahaloth: Drain Bead, storyteller, Alka Seltzer, Natlaw, amrussell, KellyCriterion, sachertorte storyteller: Drain Bead, DiggitCamara, TexCat sachertorte: Oredigger77 Rysto: storyteller Meeko: USCDiver ============ I don’t like the shenanigans much either. \*\* vote spawn vote KellyCriterion\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1345 "2010-02-20T22:22:41Z")
For the same reasons I illustrated last summer, **vote kelly** And because it’s common sense, **vote spawn** ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1346 "2010-02-20T23:10:12Z")
Thanks for the smear, Chronos. There are ALWAYS cookies. 😛 Go Pond! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1347 "2010-02-21T01:12:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Thanks for the smear, Chronos. There are ALWAYS cookies. 😛 Should I have also officially said that you weren’t on the Dark Side? Vote count, since they’re already flying: Spawn 5 KellyCriterion 4 DiggitCamara 1 [del]1: special\_ed[/del] [del]2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies[/del] 3: Drain Bead – KellyCriterion (1343), Spawn (1343) 4: Oredigger77 5: storyteller0910 6: Meeko – KellyCriterion (1342), Spawn (1342) [del]7: Mahaloth [/del] 8: Freudian Slit – KellyCriterion (1345), Spawn (1345) 9: USCDiver 10: Alka Seltzer [del]11: peekercpa[/del] 12: Natlaw [del]13: Zeriel[/del] 14: DiggitCamara 15: amrussell 16: KellyCriterion 17: Red Skeezix – KellyCriterion (1344), Spawn (1344) 18: sachertorte [del]19: fluiddruid[/del] 20: TexCat 21: Rysto – DiggitCamara (1341), Spawn (1341) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1348 "2010-02-21T01:23:24Z")
> [@](#): > > I prefer to look at the voting record as a pivot of what the mod is showing us I finally figured out what you meant by this. The reason I’m tracking it the way I am is that I need to keep track of how many votes everyone is casting, so as to watch for overvotes. I considered doing both this and a list of the people voting for each player (combining my method and yours), but decided that that was just increasing the chance that I’d screw it up. ---
**Author:** ![KellyCriterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@KellyCriterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyCriterion)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1349 "2010-02-21T01:34:49Z")
Damn. I was really banking my survival on the super-cred I was hoping to earn if **Mahaloth** flipped scum. (Sorry, **Mahaloth** , btw). What is this now… the 4th summer? And votes get reversed during Leap Years, right? So I must be on… -4? Apologies to the town for apparently looking so scummy. I think we’re toast. When I flip town, just please promise to sort all remaining players in order of most vocal and provocative, then, starting at the bottom, lynch upwards. \*\* Chronos… am I allowed to PM you? I have a question regarding the game, but I don’t know if it’s ok for me to post it on the board.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![KellyCriterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@KellyCriterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyCriterion)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1350 "2010-02-21T01:36:13Z")
**vote Spawn** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1351 "2010-02-21T01:50:26Z")
> [@KellyCriterion](#): > > Chronos.. am I allowed to PM you? I have a question regarding the game, but I don’t know if it’s ok for me to post it on the board. Snipped. Bleached. I will go ahead and ask. I am willing to bet that I am not the only one wondering. \*\*Kelly, do you wish to magic bag something here? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![KellyCriterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@KellyCriterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyCriterion)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1352 "2010-02-21T01:58:57Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Snipped. Bleached. > > I will go ahead and ask. I am willing to bet that I am not the only one wondering. > > \*\*Kelly, do you wish to magic bag something here? \*\* I’d respond to that by saying “I have no idea what magic bagging is”, but that kind of noobish behaviour is what’s gotten me in to so much trouble in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1353 "2010-02-21T02:00:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Chronos.. am I allowed to PM you? I have a question regarding the game, but I don’t know if it’s ok for me to post it on the board. Players may not communicate with each other except as otherwise noted, but I’m not a player. You (or anyone else) are allowed to PM me. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1354 "2010-02-21T02:18:09Z")
> [@KellyCriterion](#): > > I’d respond to that by saying “I have no idea what magic bagging is”, but that kind of noobish behaviour is what’s gotten me in to so much trouble in the first place. > [@Chronos](#): > > Players may not communicate with each other except as otherwise noted, but I’m not a player. You (or anyone else) are allowed to PM me. **Kelly** , given that Chronos has answered your question, I will withdraw mine. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1355 "2010-02-21T02:37:39Z")
I think this has been done before, summarily. I want to take some time and look at it as well. Oh, and a coherent post from me would be nice as well. Let’s start things off with a vote count, but snipped, from Chronos near the end of last Summer: > [@Chronos](#): > > Official vote total: > Spawn 14 > Mahaloth 5 > KellyCriterion 4 > Storyteller0910 3 > sachertorte 2 > Meeko 1 > DiggitCamara 1 Chronos then adds [also snipped]: > [@Chronos](#): > > That makes less than three hours before the official end of Summer, by the way. I think Kelly is scum, and that there was a last minute change by scum to save him. In a word where a year can be a RL week, three hours could be last minute. **[[Not an invitation to do the math.]]** > [@Rysto](#): > > I’ve mostly been ignoring Kelly’s actions on the basis that he seems to be new at this game, but there comes a point we have to go after people for scummy actions, even if they’re new. Rysto continues this post with an unvote, and a vote for Kelly. By my math, this vote makes the tying vote between Kelly and Mahaloth. > [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Wonderful, another last minute lynch. > > I don’t see why a scum Kelly would go off on one with a probable mislynch in the bag. I don’t rate cross-bussing to be particularly likely, it’s not a good move for scum early in the game. A vote for Mahaloth here, after an Unvote. Would **Alka Seltzer** go for town cred, serving town wine at the same time? He seems to be saying: If I say that I won’t do this, you will take my word for it, right? > [@storyteller0910](#): > > Is this a tie, now? Story Votes for Mahaloth here. I find the question very obtuse. Why would Town concern itself with a tie or not? Would **Story** try to signal to other scum to come and change votes? FWIW, Story didn’t vig last night. If he is, or if he is not vig, that doesn’t change this fact. > [@Chronos](#): > > The Spawn votes Meeko and amrussell. > > Final vote total: > Spawn 13 > Mahaloth 7 > KellyCriterion 6 But, the math speaks for itself. Someone that 6 people find scummy has been saved in the last three hours / minute. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1356 "2010-02-21T03:33:43Z")
Hm. Not a ton of time until Monday morning, but two early thoughts: 1. I maintain a large amount of suspicion for **Rysto** regarding his late-Day vote that put **Kelly** quickly and late ahead of **Mahaloth.** shortly after the latter claimed Plankton. My reasoning may be found in related posts toward the end of the Day. I’ll reiterate in more detail on Monday AM, but for now I’m happy to: **vote Rysto** 1. Although we have played quite poorly so far, we do have one considerable advantage: all but one of the dead have been unconfirmable Plankton. If we have a Detective able to semi-confirm (I say semi-confirm because we may or may not have a Godfather out there) multiple living Townies, (s)he should give serious consideration to claiming toDay. If you have three results and all of your targets are still alive, consider it _very_ seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1357 "2010-02-21T15:36:25Z")
**story** , how can you be suspicious of a vote someone made that put someone of an unknown alignment ahead of someone who turned out to be Town? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1358 "2010-02-21T15:58:33Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > **story** , how can you be suspicious of a vote someone made that put someone of an unknown alignment ahead of someone who turned out to be Town? This. I am mobile. Good point by drain here. Why no vig last night story? ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1359 "2010-02-21T20:35:19Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I think Kelly is scum, and that there was a last minute change by scum to save him. In a word where a year can be a RL week, three hours could be last minute. > [[Not an invitation to do the math.]] Three hours of a normal day is 36 minutes of a five day Mafia Day. Assuming a Pond year has no spring or autumn and it wasn’t a Leap Year then the lynch changed in the last 12 seconds of the Summer. Of course, given a plankton [lifespan of a day](http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_is_a_plankton%27s_lifespan) that would be comparable to four human days (if I didn’t make a mistake 😉 ). A play-by-play (since Red Skeezix didn’t keep the votes in order): At post 1243 the vote count is: **Storyteller0910** (3): TexCat, DiggitCamara, Alka Seltzer **Mahaloth** (3): Drain Bead, KellyCriterion, amrussell **sachertorte** (2): Oredigger77, storyteller0910 **Natlaw** 2: Meeko, Red Skeezix **Meeko** (1): USCDiver **DiggitCamara** 1: Rysto 1251: **Freudian Slit** votes Kelly (first vote, for assuming Story is Town, wondering how we know there are two power roles) 1263: **Natlaw** votes Mahaloth (fourth vote, lynch leader, for not doing much scum hunting) 1274: **Red Skeezix** votes Kelly (second vote, too defensive, has a FoS earlier) 1295: **Meeko** votes Kelly (third vote, believes her town but uneven and loud?, has no better reads on scum) 1296: **sachertorte** votes Mahaloth (fifth vote, for ‘lame’ votes comment, trying to look too much town) 1306: **Mahaloth** votes Kelly (fourth vote, self defense and doesn’t want to lynch Story) 1320: **Rysto** votes Kelly (fifth vote, ties, Mahaloth not scummy, didn’t look at Kelly because new but if other she her doing scummy actions than voting her is better than a one-off vote) 1321: **Cookies** votes Kelly (sixth vote, the snark doesn’t fit her newbie status) 1335: **Alka Seltzer** votes Mahaloth (sixth vote, ties, I can’t make head or tails of the reason) 1338: **Storyteller** votes Mahaloth (seventh vote, because it a tie, weakly oppose to Kelly lynch and ‘unwilling to commit on an opinion’ about Mahaloth) **Mahaloth** : Drain Bead, KellyCriterion, amrussell, Natlaw, sachertorte, Alka Seltzer, storyteller **KellyCriterion** : Freudian Slit, Red Skeezix, Meeko, Mahaloth, Rysto, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies So was the late lynch switch scum saving scum? To say that then Kelly must be scum and one or more Mahaloth votes need to be scum as well. I wouldn’t say I has to be the last three as I wouldn’t expect scum to be so blatant. Of course if Kelly isn’t scum, then it wouldn’t be. > [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I don’t see why a scum Kelly would go off on one with a probable mislynch in the bag. I don’t rate cross-bussing to be particularly likely, it’s not a good move for scum early in the game. A scum Kelly would not go off meaning her snark against Alka with a lynch of town Mahaloth? And they are not cross-bussing meaning they are not both scum bussing each other. So both not scum, Kelly not scum because Mahaloth is town, so lynch Mahaloth? **Alka Seltzer** , can explain your reasoning? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1360 "2010-02-22T03:46:38Z")
\*\*vote storyteller vote spawn \*\* I wonder why story didn’t take me up on the offer to vig me. Duh. Cause he’s not a vig and has been lying since day 0, or at least since the first summer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=69)