# Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 24, 2010, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202 "2010-01-24T05:10:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 76
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1501 "2010-02-24T19:18:53Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > NETA: After posting, I see that the questions about whether spawns exist and can vote during winter. Ugh. I am afraid this does look like Kelly is fibbing. I wonder what this means for Oredigger? You and me both. I don’t like that my fate is tied to a claim that is rapidly turning sour because if/when Kelly flips I think I’ll turn into another distraction for the town. Of course I think my case against Alka is looking stronger because I think it was obvious that he was protecting Kelly. I’m admittedly not sure if it was a protection of a scum buddy or trying to keep a townie around who was too new to catch scum. At this point I’m going to leave my vote on Alka since a unanimous vote on Kelly won’t give us any information and it looks pretty clear that Kelly is gone unless Chronos shows up to save him. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1502 "2010-02-24T19:26:19Z")
Well, if **Kelly** wasn’t fibbing (though I doubt it), it makes me more likely to trust **Oredigger**. And if **Kelly** is scum then it’s probably meaningless. You’re right, **Oredigger** –it does look like **Alka** was attempting to protect **Kelly**. If **Kelly** flips scum, my next vote will so be on **Alka**. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1503 "2010-02-24T19:41:37Z")
Since Chronos hasn’t changed the rules, there were no spawn at Winter so no Spawn to vote anyone. **Vote KellyCriterion** It’s not unlikely he’s actually a scum power role, so I see no point to delay a lynch. Some people said no one would come up with Rotifier as a fake claim but actual having the role makes it obvious. If really revealed as scum, I don’t see that making **Oredigger** a distraction as it just a WiFoM whether a scum Kelly would have named a fellow scum or town. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1504 "2010-02-24T20:11:54Z")
While my suspicions of TexCat have not abated, It appears Chronos has come and gone, with the question unanswered, which means we have to go on what data we have. And says there haven’t been any spawn in the pond at winter, and a new spawn appears at dawn. **unvote TexCat** **vote KellyCriterion** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1505 "2010-02-24T20:24:03Z")
This thing with Kelly is not as surprising at it would be in a “normal” game at this point. I think there is still benefit of the doubt for Kelly between His Noobishness and how one arm tied behind our back town is in this game. I just don’t know what to make of Kelly now, at all. What does it say about Story? What does it say about his verbatim role as provided by Chronos? \*\*Drain, should we disclose the color to our drawback? \*\* Sach is pingging the hell out of me. The comments since I have claimed are completely Out of place, Unexpected. For me, my vote on Sach remains better than switching to Kelly. The unexpected things Sach is saying is confusing me a lot more than Kelly is. And it is being done with out claiming a Power role. All of this to say I think Sach is scum, and I am listening to an old fashion standard scum slip that no Mod can change up with variant less than 100% powers. And given this point in the game now, I have never been more glad that I already claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1506 "2010-02-24T20:27:25Z")
\*\*What is the current issue with Digger, and how is it connected to kelly? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1507 "2010-02-24T20:37:44Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Of course I think my case against Alka is looking stronger because I think it was obvious that he was protecting Kelly. I’m admittedly not sure if it was a protection of a scum buddy or trying to keep a townie around who was too new to catch scum. This is kind of crappy. So if Kelly is scum, Alka Seltzer is scum because he must be protecting his scum buddy. But if Kelly is town, Alka Seltzer is scum because he is protecting a newbie townie? WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1508 "2010-02-24T20:40:28Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*What is the current issue with Digger, and how is it connected to kelly? \*\* Kelly has claimed to have gotten Oredigger’s name as Town. The problem is in deciding what that means. Natlaw is right; it’s just WIFOM. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1509 "2010-02-24T20:42:51Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > This is kind of crappy. > So if Kelly is scum, Alka Seltzer is scum because he must be protecting his scum buddy. > But if Kelly is town, Alka Seltzer is scum because he is protecting a newbie townie? > > WTF? I think Alka is scum. That is why my vote has been on him all day, what moved him up from a FOS to a vote was his late Day voting yesterDay, I think there were scummy motivations behind it. I’m not sure what Kelly’s alignment is but I can see a way that Alka would have been scum motivated either way and so I am quite content with voting for Alka no matter what Kelly turns up as. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1510 "2010-02-24T21:03:27Z")
I don’t think **Alka** ’s automatically Pond if **Kelly** was telling the truth. I’m less likely to see him as scum, though. If **Kelly** is telling the truth I’m sort of more inclined to believe **Story** because they are both weird ass power roles. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1511 "2010-02-24T21:20:55Z")
I see our mod has come and gone without comment on the winter spawn situation. I have to assume that Kelly is lying. **unvote: storyteller vote: Kelly** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1512 "2010-02-24T21:55:15Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Kelly has claimed to have gotten Oredigger’s name as Town. I missed this day in class. When did this happen? Wouldn’t that also mean Kelly has info on the other names he got? Wouldn’t this clear up the exact ambiguity that most people are using to be the open and shut case on a Kelly vote currently? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1513 "2010-02-24T22:03:27Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I missed this day in class. When did this happen? Wouldn’t that also mean Kelly has info on the other names he got? Kelly has claimed that he gets the Night vote by one of the Spawn. Spawn are mod-confirmed to only vote for Town at Night, so each name that he gets is the name of a Town player. Oredigger was the second name he got, so he’s claiming that Oredigger is Town. ---
**Author:** ![KellyCriterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@KellyCriterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyCriterion)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1514 "2010-02-24T22:44:05Z")
**Chronos, my game is on the line, can you please publicly confirm exactly when the new spawn enters the game?** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1515 "2010-02-25T00:01:35Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Kelly has claimed that he gets the Night vote by one of the Spawn. Spawn are mod-confirmed to only vote for Town at Night, so each name that he gets is the name of a Town player. Oredigger was the second name he got, so he’s claiming that Oredigger is Town. And the entire issue therefore, is the fact that since we have killed all spawn in the summer they were born, these names, apparently, come from organisms that heretofore were not thought to be alive at that time. Correct? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1516 "2010-02-25T00:08:54Z")
Correct. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1517 "2010-02-25T00:40:12Z")
Vote count: Spawn 10 KellyCriterion 9 sachertorte 2 USCDiver 2 Rysto 1 Alka Seltzer 1 [del]1: special\_ed[/del] [del]2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies[/del] 3: Drain Bead – KellyCriterion (1343), [del]Spawn[/del] (1343-1441), sachertorte (1441) 4: Oredigger77 – Alka Seltzer (1371), Spawn (1371) 5: storyteller0910 – Rysto (1356), KellyCriterion (1472) 6: Meeko – -[del]KellyCriterion[/del] (1342-1377), Spawn (1342-1361, 1377), [del]Storyteller[/del] (1361-1450), sachertorte (1450) [del]7: Mahaloth [/del] 8: Freudian Slit – KellyCriterion (1345-1400, 1489), Spawn (1345) 9: USCDiver – Spawn (1403), KellyCriterion (1471) 10: Alka Seltzer – Spawn (1496) [del]11: peekercpa[/del] 12: Natlaw – KellyCriterion (1503) [del]13: Zeriel[/del] 14: DiggitCamara 15: amrussell – USCDiver (1457), KellyCriterion (1488) 16: KellyCriterion – Spawn (1350) 17: Red Skeezix – KellyCriterion (1344-1363, 1504), Spawn (1344), [del]TexCat[/del] (1363-1504) 18: sachertorte – USCDiver (1440), Spawn (1440) [del]19: fluiddruid[/del] 20: TexCat – [del]Storyteller[/del] (1360-1511), Spawn (1360), KellyCriterion (1511) 21: Rysto – [del]DiggitCamara[/del] (1341-1474), Spawn (1341), KellyCriterion (1474) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1518 "2010-02-25T00:43:45Z")
Just in case there’s any ambiguity on the subject, I am reading the thread, and I have nothing further to say. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1519 "2010-02-25T01:57:05Z")
Well, that’s… pretty definitive, then, right? I can’t see any way outside of a bastard game, which this was not advertised as being, that Kelly’s role PM is compatible with the explicitly stated rules. I guess that kind of clinches it. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1520 "2010-02-25T10:45:27Z")
I realise that in my excitement I’ve left myself with two player votes: \*\* unvote USCDiver \*\* **vote spawn** Summer’s over in 10 hours - anyone have anything else they want to add, or are we pretty much settled now? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=75) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=77)