# Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 24, 2010, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202 "2010-01-24T05:10:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1741 "2010-03-07T00:39:45Z")
Also, my daughter has developed a puking bug, so I may not be around as much as I’d like for the next 24-48. Chances are I’ll get it too… ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1742 "2010-03-07T03:20:22Z")
Eh, don’t worry about it, a little bug can’t puke up all that much, I’m sure. But why did she develop it in the first place? Science fair? I can’t see the usefulness of a bug that pukes. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1743 "2010-03-07T14:09:59Z")
Seriously, Drain? You’re voting for me _because_ I voted for scum? On the basis of a “scum wouldn’t do that” argument? That’s the best case you have on Day Six? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1744 "2010-03-07T15:02:24Z")
I thought it was relatively clear that the basis of my argument was that Scum _would_ do that. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1745 "2010-03-07T15:15:31Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I thought it was relatively clear that the basis of my argument was that Scum _would_ do that. Your argument is that scum wouldn’t allow a vote involving scum to be that close without at least one scum voting for the scum. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1746 "2010-03-07T15:21:58Z")
My argument is that Scum _would_ vote one of their buddies in a close race for potential cred, and Scum _would_ spread out the vote–I am assuming there is at least one Scum remaining in the one-off voters as well. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1747 "2010-03-07T15:34:08Z")
That’s two sides of the same coin. You’re so sure that you know exactly how scum would act in that situation that you’re to base a vote solely on that? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1748 "2010-03-07T15:35:14Z")
NETA: you’re _willing_ to base a vote… ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1749 "2010-03-07T15:39:53Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Huh, “borken” is in the Jargon File? I thought that was much more recent. Or is it actually being maintained again? > > Myself, I never tried going through it alphabetically; I just navigated through via the contextual links. It’s like TV Tropes or Wikipedia that way. I have it on my Ipod touch. … I have Version 4.0.0 which dates to July 24 1996. I had a bookmark at cycle crash. So I guess I made it into the Cs. Oh yeah, Night happened, death and all of that. – I totally forgot that ““night”” happened. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1750 "2010-03-07T15:42:34Z")
Help me out here: 1.Story was Vig. 2.Skeezix was 3rd Party. 3.Story Vigged Skeezix 4.Scum NK’d Story. Yes? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1751 "2010-03-07T15:45:40Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Ah, more lists - it’s a colorful pond (perhaps an oil spill?): Natlaw, I assume this is a list of final votes, and alignment, by player? Isn’t this the infamous Chronos program just rewarmed? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1752 "2010-03-07T15:49:30Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Natlaw, I assume this is a list of final votes, and alignment, by player? I assume it is. **Vote Sach.** You flat out ping me. Period. **Vote Diggit.** Your voting history. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1753 "2010-03-07T16:42:36Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I assume it is. > > **Vote Sach.** You flat out ping me. Period. > **Vote Diggit.** Your voting history. Come on, **Meeko** , even though you’re more or less confirmed Town in this game, you’ve got to give us more than this. **Vote Spawn** I’ve looked back over the end of Day 3 voting to see if Rysto’s vote was in fact scummy. This is his vote: > [@Rysto](#): > > Unfortunately, I just don’t have time at work to do in-depth analysis of players, and I was out past midnight last night. I maintain my suspicion of Diggit, and I’m really not happy with the lack of response. However, my one-off vote isn’t doing the Town any good. > > Yesterday I looked at the Mahaloth case and didn’t really see anything that made me suspicious of him. I’ve mostly been ignoring Kelly’s actions on the basis that he seems to be new at this game, but there comes a point we have to go after people for scummy actions, even if they’re new. > > Unvote Diggit > Vote Kelly That was at 2:22pm EST (Day ended at 3pm) and this vote moved \*\*Kelly \*\*into a tie with **Mahaloth**. While this is a pretty crappy vote, and I agree in principle that it is unlikely that there would be NO scum voting for \*\*Kelly \*\*that Day, I think that it is less likely that a Scum would vote to move a team member into a tie with less than 45min left in the Day. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1754 "2010-03-07T17:20:46Z")
Vote count: Spawn 2 Rysto 1 sachertorte 1 DiggitCamara 1 [del]1: special\_ed[/del] [del]2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies[/del] 3: Drain Bead – Spawn (1740), Rysto (1740) 4: Oredigger77 [del]5: storyteller0910 [/del] 6: Meeko – sachertorte (1752), Diggit (1752) [del]7: Mahaloth [/del] [del]8: Freudian Slit[/del] 9: USCDiver – Spawn (1753) [del]10: Alka Seltzer[/del] [del]11: peekercpa[/del] 12: Natlaw [del]13: Zeriel[/del] 14: DiggitCamara 15: amrussell [del]16: KellyCriterion[/del] [del]17: Red Skeezix[/del] 18: sachertorte [del]19: fluiddruid[/del] 20: TexCat 21: Rysto ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1755 "2010-03-07T17:21:13Z")
Look at it this way. The longest **Kelly** could have been expected to live at that point was one more Day. **Kelly** appears to have had no additional powers. The vote at that point was a tie; any number of people could have broken it in **Mahaloth** ’s favor (including Scum), and in fact, that’s exactly what happened. Knowing that **Kelly** was Scum and wasn’t going to live much longer, I would fully expect at least one Scum to vote **Kelly** and vote late, just to look good later. This, or something very similar, has happened in pretty much every game I’ve played in. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1756 "2010-03-07T19:29:20Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Look at it this way. The longest **Kelly** could have been expected to live at that point was one more Day. **Kelly** appears to have had no additional powers. The vote at that point was a tie; any number of people could have broken it in **Mahaloth** ’s favor (including Scum), and in fact, that’s exactly what happened. Knowing that **Kelly** was Scum and wasn’t going to live much longer, I would fully expect at least one Scum to vote **Kelly** and vote late, just to look good later. This, or something very similar, has happened in pretty much every game I’ve played in. You know, I had been looking at Day 3 in isolation, but you’re right; Scum would’ve known that \*\*Kelly \*\*was a goner eventually and moving a Scum player into a tie or lead is a great way to get Townie cred. And looking back at the last hour of voting that day it was \*\*Rysto \*\*who put Kelly into a tie, then **Cookies** (known town) put him ahead, before \*\*Alka \*\*(known Scum) moved it back into a tie. It was \*\*story \*\*(known town) who finally put \*\*Mahaloth \*\*into the lead. So I’m with you now… **vote Rysto** ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1757 "2010-03-07T20:25:14Z")
I really don’t think that you guys are thinking this through. Consider this: if I had voted for Mahaloth over Kelly, would you be voting for me toDay? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1758 "2010-03-07T21:09:44Z")
Is it worth it to reevaluate Kelly listing Digger at this point? Sach just pings me on the language used to chew Drain out. Diggits votes were all wrong to be town. But, I wonder if Rysto isn’t harvesting the fruits of an investment prior, re Mahaloth over Kelly ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1759 "2010-03-07T21:32:01Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > I really don’t think that you guys are thinking this through. Consider this: if I had voted for Mahaloth over Kelly, would you be voting for me toDay? Hard to say. If everyone who had voted for Kelly on Day 3 had been proven to be Pond, I’d continue to look at those who had helped save Kelly that Day. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1760 "2010-03-08T00:07:40Z")
**vote spawn** I’m trying to catch up! I am happy to be back and sort of surprised that I’m still alive. Back later. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=87) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202.md?page=89)