# Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 24, 2010, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202 "2010-01-24T05:10:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 94
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1861 "2010-03-11T17:27:55Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > NETA: Apparently the case against Sach was just led by Meeko which makes me doubt it. I feel I would be remiss if I don’t ask here. Can I help you on anything Digger? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1862 "2010-03-11T18:04:29Z")
Two hours to go. Are we really going to lynch DiggitCamara? I’m not loving this. I realize the case against Rysto is kind of on the weak side too, but are we really at a state where we are sure we don’t believe DiggitCamara’s claim? To me, the most troubling parts of his claim are: - His game play seems more like someone trying to avoid getting killed than someone trying to get killed. - He hasn’t said what would happen if storyteller tried to eat him. The most troubling parts about killing Diggit are: - We have a dearth of town power roles. - His claim pretty much hangs a ‘lynch me’ sign on himself. Something I don’t think scum would really want to do. I’m of the opinion that Diggit is more likely telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1863 "2010-03-11T18:53:28Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > […]The most troubling parts about killing Diggit are: > > - We have a dearth of town power roles. > - His claim pretty much hangs a ‘lynch me’ sign on himself. Something I don’t think scum would really want to do. > > I’m of the opinion that Diggit is more likely telling the truth. I don’t believe Diggit. The only power role from the town that we’ve seen is storyteller’s handicapped vig role. And the masons who are also handicapped to some degree by not being able to communicate. It just seems that this very strong role without any handicap is out of place in this game. Too much wine in the “lynch me” sign for me to get a read on. I wouldn’t put it past scum, but that does seem to be the weak link. My vote is going to stay on Diggit – I really have too many problems with the claim. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1864 "2010-03-11T18:55:59Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > He hasn’t said what would happen if storyteller tried to eat him. His role PM seems to imply he would just be eaten - I don’t think a role just immune to one of two (known) kills that likely. On the other hand it might be to prevent to them from proving there powers (until one was confirmed at least otherwise just there words). But this is thing I would expect a town **DiggitCamara** to have mentioned (‘I didn’t claim to let Storyteller test me, since I wouldn’t survive that’). On **Rysto** ’s point of lynch or lose at Summer Four with six scum: yes that seems not that likely - five scum with **Red Skeezix** as optional six could work though (since he could win with them). ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1865 "2010-03-11T19:04:46Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > His role PM seems to imply he would just be eaten - I don’t think a role just immune to one of two (known) kills that likely. On the other hand it might be to prevent to them from proving there powers (until one was confirmed at least otherwise just there words). > > But this is thing I would expect a town **DiggitCamara** to have mentioned (‘I didn’t claim to let Storyteller test me, since I wouldn’t survive that’). > > On **Rysto** ’s point of lynch or lose at Summer Four with six scum: yes that seems not that likely - five scum with **Red Skeezix** as optional six could work though (since he could win with them). Dude: you keep asking “D’oh” questions like this one . For instance, you asked > [@Natlaw](#): > > Why not keep your power hidden (thus useful) and try to get a scum lynched? Well… I did try to keep my power hidden (thus useful) to the last minute. If I had kept it hidden it would have gotten me lynched and not useful at all. D’oh! You yourself say > [@Natlaw](#): > > His role PM seems to imply he would just be eaten - I don’t think a role just immune to one of two (known) kills that likely. I, like everyone else, have no other source of information than my PM. Thus, I thought that everyone who read my PM would assume the same thing I did. D’oh! ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1866 "2010-03-11T19:08:24Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I feel I would be remiss if I don’t ask here. > > Can I help you on anything Digger? Well, basically I disagree with how far you have gone against Sach. I don’t think that Sach’s play has been nearly as blatantly scummy toDay as you’ve claimed and so I dislike voting with you. So no there is nothing you can do I still think Sach’s case is the strongest it just isn’t as strong as I initially thought. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1867 "2010-03-11T19:10:34Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > I, like everyone else, have no other source of information than my PM. Thus, I thought that everyone who read my PM would assume the same thing I did. D’oh! But when storyteller claimed, wouldn’t you wonder? Wouldn’t you ask Chronos? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1868 "2010-03-11T19:15:57Z")
I’m also baffled by why DiggitCamara hasn’t moved a vote onto Rysto. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1869 "2010-03-11T19:22:24Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > But when storyteller claimed, wouldn’t you wonder? Wouldn’t you ask Chronos? Of course not. It’s completely straightforward: I can’t be outcompeted by scum. And I’m not changing my vote because, right now, you and \*\*Rysto \*\* are tied. Both of you are 2 votes away from me, so changing my vote wouldn’t even tie **Rysto** with me. And, like I said, between you and him I find you to be far scummier. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1870 "2010-03-11T19:29:17Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Of course not. It’s completely straightforward: I can’t be outcompeted by scum. > > And I’m not changing my vote because, right now, you and \*\*Rysto \*\* are tied. Both of you are 2 votes away from me, so changing my vote wouldn’t even tie **Rysto** with me. And, like I said, between you and him I find you to be far scummier. Ugh. I’m trying to F’in help you. (1) Rysto is 2 votes from you, I’m three. (2) You don’t have to unvote me to vote for Rysto. Sheesh. Fine. Die. I don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1871 "2010-03-11T19:38:35Z")
**Oredigger** voted you sach - it’s 5-3-3 by my count. Why should a town dual vote in defense (and is the side effect of it putting Rysto ahead of you important)? > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Well… I did try to keep my power hidden (thus useful) to the last minute. If I had kept it hidden it would have gotten me lynched and not useful at all. D’oh! No, I meant have kept it hidden until the actual last minute _and_ trying to convince us of someone better to lynch so that a) you as supposed town would survive and could use you power and b) perhaps an scum would be lynched instead. > [@](#): > > I, like everyone else, have no other source of information than my PM. Thus, I thought that everyone who read my PM would assume the same thing I did. D’oh! You had the whole game to think about it and when you claimed could have tried to show you did. What was your game plan? Did you try to get targeted by scum? Didn’t you consider under what conditions claiming would be worth it (instead of ‘here is a redacted claim. Let’s discuss if it’s useful’). ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1872 "2010-03-11T19:42:36Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > **Oredigger** voted you sach - it’s 5-3-3 by my count. Why should a town dual vote in defense (and is the side effect of it putting Rysto ahead of you important)? Because on the slight chance that Spawn votes for Rysto, DiggitCamara would at least get a shot at living. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1873 "2010-03-11T19:57:54Z")
With the implication that a scum **Diggit** would have done that by now as he would have nothing to lose. Classic wine - it does make me want to unvote and vote Rysto and you and let the spawn /dice decide :rolleyes:. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1874 "2010-03-11T20:06:57Z")
The Spawn votes for Meeko and Oredigger Final vote count: Spawn 9 DiggitCamara 5 Rysto 3 sachertorte 3 Meeko 1 Oredigger 1 [del]1: special\_ed[/del] [del]2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies[/del] 3: Drain Bead – Spawn (1740), Rysto (1740) 4: Oredigger77 – sachertorte (1858), Spawn (1858) [del]5: storyteller0910 [/del] 6: Meeko – sachertorte (1752), [del]Diggit[/del] (1752-1797), Spawn (1797) [del]7: Mahaloth [/del] [del]8: Freudian Slit[/del] 9: USCDiver – [del]Spawn[/del] (1753-1822), Rysto (1756), DiggitCamara (1822) [del]10: Alka Seltzer[/del] [del]11: peekercpa[/del] 12: Natlaw – Spawn (1782), DiggitCamara (1812) [del]13: Zeriel[/del] 14: DiggitCamara – [del]Rysto[/del] (1761-1794), Spawn (1761), sachertorte (1794) 15: amrussell – Diggit (1788), Spawn (1850) [del]16: KellyCriterion[/del] [del]17: Red Skeezix[/del] 18: sachertorte – Rysto (1814), Spawn (1814) [del]19: fluiddruid[/del] 20: TexCat – Spawn (1760), [del]Natlaw[/del] (1783-1824), DiggitCamara (1824) 21: Rysto – Diggit (1781), Spawn (1781) The Pondies killed the Spawn again, and nobody was surprised. **A Spawn is dead** **DiggitCamara** tried to claim to be a special species, but most of the Pond thought his claim smelled like rotten eggs. “That’s just what Kelly tried to pull”, they said. So they tore his cell membrane apart, and, wait, what’s that stench? Apparently that rotten egg smell wasn’t from the _claim_. **DiggitCamara, a Chemosynthete, is dead** It is now Winter 6. Strategy discussion should be put on hold. Summer will come this Saturday, on schedule. There are currently no Spawn in the pond. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1875 "2010-03-11T20:07:11Z")
What’s the vote count at this point? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1876 "2010-03-11T20:08:19Z")
Effing simulpost. Not that it mattered–I wasn’t planning on unvoting **Rysto**. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1877 "2010-03-11T20:09:23Z")
Damn. Well, at least we have a good place to look for scum toMorrow. I’ll take a used alcohol swab in a dirty glass. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1878 "2010-03-11T20:13:28Z")
Well, the Pond decided. I’m not worthy. Go Pond! **I’d like to be spoilerized, Chronos** ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1879 "2010-03-11T21:23:35Z")
Oh, balls. Sorry Diggit. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2010, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1880 "2010-03-11T22:21:42Z")
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