# Scylla is subhuman, or, worse, conservative **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 27, 2007, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842 "2007-04-27T06:51:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/1 "2007-04-27T06:51:02Z")
Has **Scylla** never been Pitted before?! No matter. His/her/its shamelessly and openly genocidal comments in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=418361) thread should be sufficient to justify the thread title, and I have no doubt many other Dopers can come up with equally rich examples. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/2 "2007-04-27T06:57:35Z")
It’s distasteful but rather common among everyday people you meet on the street, at least in my experience. “I don’t understand! We have the best military in the world, why aren’t we bombing these people until they do what we want!” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/3 "2007-04-27T07:31:39Z")
[QUOTE=mstay] It’s distasteful but rather common among everyday people you meet on the street, at least in my experience. “I don’t understand! We have the best military in the world, why aren’t we bombing these people until they do what we want!” [/QUOTE] But, Dopers, even shitstain-conservative Dopers, are supposed to be several cuts above the everyday people, are we not? But **Scylla** meets not even that barely acceptable standard. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/4 "2007-04-27T07:50:59Z")
The gist of this complaint has been eloquently covered previously by the estimable **clairobscur** [Ras-le-bol](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=388466) > [@](#): > > …2) Where are these offended posters when various broad-assed statements are made about muslims and/or Arabs? Why aren’t they all over the thread throwing around accusations of racism? That’s secondary, though, to my main beef which is : > > Strongly prejudiced comments about muslims and/or Arabs are made all the fucking time on this board. Ranging from the broad assed statements one can read in the “outraged muslims” thread to “we should nuke the shit out of them” statements which are, in my book, plainly calls to genocide. > > I won’t say that nobody criticize such statements. Many posters do. But my problem is the double standard displayed. Let’s be clear : if we were to replace “Muslims” or “Arabs” by “Jews” or “Blacks” in all the threads where the two first words are used, there’s simply no way many posts we can read would be tolerated on this board. No fucking way. Not a snowball chance in hell. The plain truth of this board’s double standard is unarguable. My humble contribution bears only a mild revisit: > [@](#): > > …There are general ‘defending Israel’ and ‘Attacking Muslims and Arabs’ exceptions to the board rules. Everybody knows that. Don’t they? In this instance, I think there is less likelihood of the board codifying those rules. Perhaps they should codify such rules. I myself have been lately harassed throughout Great Debates by moderators for after comments entirely innocent of **Scylla’s** bile. That said, **Scylla’s** comments: There was a section of the American community that was overjoyed at the absence of WMD in Iraq, doubtless including him. Why? Because it established that even though they have to give a reason for going to kill a lot of Arabs, it doesn’t have to be a good one. But it was not an unalloyed joy. Why? Because the champion of red USA, at a point of unparalleled support, even then was compelled to make concessions to to the enemy. The educated and contemplative class that will always govern enough of the USA. Pay no mind to **Scylla’s** fantasies, expected and natural as they are for his breeding. It’s impotence, the death rattle of a vision and presages the life of alcoholism and wife-beating attending to that under-class. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/5 "2007-04-27T07:52:45Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] But, Dopers, even shitstain-conservative Dopers, are supposed to be several cuts above the everyday people, are we not? [/QUOTE] Some of us even aspire to, oh, I don’t know … not hurling hate-filled invective at people based on political orientation. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/6 "2007-04-27T08:04:45Z")
Outside of him saying that we should fight to win, I don’t see him saying anything genocidal. He brings up General Sherman and tactics way more than he brings up Islam. Now you might think those tactics are stupid or immoral, but that’s a lot different from saying that they’re genocidal. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/7 "2007-04-27T08:10:45Z")
I don’t know why you guys are falling for this. The issue in that thread was the lack of data on car bombings. Now, of course we’ve been told that we should give the surge a chance to work. But, we’re not allowed the data that would tell us if the surge is working. You see the problem here for an administration supporter. What **Scylla** has artfully managed to do is to derail that thread so that we don’t discuss the actual issue at hand–the lack of data on car bombings. Further notice that his long, rambling posting was full of platitudes and innuendo, but short of actual specifics. We’re supposed to wage “total war,” whatever that means, and if we don’t wage “total war,” then we’re defeatist who will let Al-Queda march into Iowa. But there’s no specifics as to what we’re supposed to do. Are we supposed to use Dresden-style bombings and flatten cities? Is that part of this nebulous “total war” we’re supposed to be waging? Who knows? He’s not saying. We just have to be like Sherman and wage total war. See, you can’t actually advocate mass slaughter of civillians when our post-facto justifications for invading Iraq was freeing those same civillians from the tyranny of Saddam. And in the end, this is nothing more than flashing shiny objects. **Scylla** isn’t interested in determining what option will make America most secure. He doesn’t want people to actually discuss what would make America secure, so he takes potshots, namecalls, and advances vague, nonsensicals theories. It’s time we stop letting people like **Scylla** frame the debate. They are the people who are working to make America less secure, and it’s time we called them on it. ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/8 "2007-04-27T08:28:13Z")
[QUOTE=BrightNShiny] I don’t know why you guys are falling for this. […] And in the end, this is nothing more than flashing shiny objects. [/QUOTE] I admit that’s a plausible theory, but personally I don’t think **Scylla** was being Machiavellian. I think **Scylla** honestly never gave a thought as to whether he was on-topic or not. He just got his dander up and decided he had to come blustering down from the mountain to dispense his home-spun wisdom over the nasty, wicked liberals. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/9 "2007-04-27T08:43:01Z")
[QUOTE=Orbifold] I admit that’s a plausible theory, but personally I don’t think **Scylla** was being Machiavellian. I think **Scylla** honestly never gave a thought as to whether he was on-topic or not. He just got his dander up and decided he had to come blustering down from the mountain to dispense his home-spun wisdom over the nasty, wicked liberals. [/QUOTE] Well, ok. You know him better than I do. If **Scylla** wishes to state his motivations, I’ll accept them at face value. In any case, regardless of his motivations, I think his actions and the actions of this administration and its supporters have the effect of making America less secure. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/10 "2007-04-27T08:52:07Z")
[QUOTE=Sage Rat] Outside of him saying that we should fight to win, I don’t see him saying anything genocidal. [/QUOTE] He defines genocide as a victory condition. [QUOTE=Scylla] [QUOTE=Chronos] No, we could also lose by, for instance, killing every man woman and child in the entire Middle East. In fact, that seems pretty much like a worst-case scenario, to me. But oddly, it sounds like you’re trying to say that would somehow be a _victory_ condition? [/QUOTE] Yes. It’s only slightly less desirable than losing by having all of them kill or conquer all of us. That’s my worst-case scenario. I would hope that it would never come to that. Either way. My point is that by fighting a limited and protracted low-intensity conflict we actually increase the possibility of such dire final outcomes. [/QUOTE] And he says it may be necessary to genocide the Iraqis at some point. [QUOTE=Scylla] I don’t think that it is a necessity to annihiliate the Iraqi people now. If we keep screwing around though, it may be in the future. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/11 "2007-04-27T08:57:09Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] And he says it may be necessary to genocide the Iraqis at some point. [/QUOTE] No, no, no. Don’t you see? We must take some steps (“Total War” steps) in order to prevent having to resort to genocide. What are those steps? Why they’re “Total War” steps of course. It has something to do with Sherman, I think. How? Well, Sherman fought “Total War.” I hope I cleared that up for you. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/12 "2007-04-27T09:12:10Z")
Disgusting if not surprising considering the source. What I’d really like to know is if advocating genocide of all adherents to a particular faith (Muslims, in this case) is within the implicit rules of the SDMB? To my way of thinking, said call goes waaay beyond the “don’t be a jerk” rule and into mental disease territory – as in a mass-murderer’s delusional paranoia. Even still, if we stipulate that’s a valid assessment, does it excuse the poster’s behavior? Because if it does, anything goes. After all, we can then say anything we want and pull the mental disorder card as some sort of ‘justification.’ ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/13 "2007-04-27T12:55:33Z")
[QUOTE=mstay] It’s distasteful but rather common among everyday people you meet on the street, at least in my experience. “I don’t understand! We have the best military in the world, why aren’t we bombing these people until they do what we want!” [/QUOTE] (beats wife) WHY WON’T YOU LOVE ME?!?!!?!?! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/14 "2007-04-27T13:11:07Z")
Don’t be silly. Whether you agree with the position or not, it was put forth in an honest and straightforward manner, without regard to the race or religion of our enemy. Indeed, it concerned only tactics. No honest moderator would do a thing about it when they’ve let far worse things slide. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/15 "2007-04-27T13:19:13Z")
Its an old song, to explain why the biggest, baddest, John Wayneist country in the world loses a war. First verse is about how we would have won, but the liberal pansies tied our hands. Second verse: we are too nice. Everybody else is cruel and ruthless in war, but not us. Too nice, that’s us. Only possible explanation. It is entirely possible to change sensible and humane American kids into killbots. But how do you change them back? ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/16 "2007-04-27T13:20:59Z")
Perhaps one of you sanctimonious assholes would care to quote the exact words with which Scylla advocated genocide. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/17 "2007-04-27T13:29:24Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] Perhaps one of you sanctimonious assholes would care to quote the exact words with which Scylla advocated genocide. [/QUOTE] Learn to [read](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8512313&postcount=11), ignorant cornhole. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/18 "2007-04-27T13:34:03Z")
Swing and a miss, strike one **Red**. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/19 "2007-04-27T13:46:38Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] Learn to [read](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8512313&postcount=11), ignorant cornhole. [/QUOTE] I did. There is nothing about genocide anywhere in Scylla’s post, nor anything that could legitimately be inferred as advocacy of genocide. Again, somebody please quote the exact words where Scylla clearly advocates genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2007, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842/20 "2007-04-27T13:51:25Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] And he says it may be **necessary** to genocide the Iraqis at some point. [/QUOTE] How Der Trihs reads this sentence… [QUOTE=Der Trihs] And he says it **may** be necessary to genocide the Iraqis at some point. [/QUOTE] and how I read the sentence. Throwing out a far fetched end-game proposal isn’t neccesarily voicing support for that proposal. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scylla-is-subhuman-or-worse-conservative/401842.md?page=2)