SD Job-Seekers' Support Group

People who are paying way too much attention to my ongoing story will remember the sustainability journal that’s starting up here in Philly. I talked to the guy last summer and was very enthusiastic about it, not just to write for them but maybe even get the job of editing it.

That didn’t happen, but I’ve done some writing for them, blah blah, there have been several installments to this ongoing story. In December, I submitted a story I’d gotten the go-ahead on, and heard back from the replacement for the editor who’d okayed it that they’d changed their minds, but they’d give me a $50 kill fee, and also that they might want to use the photos I’d taken to go with it, although in a different context.

This was in early January, so at the end of January, I emailed this second editor to say, “Just wondering when I can expect the kill fee. Also, will you be using the photos, and if so when, and how much are you going to pay me?”

Two weeks later (yesterday), I hadn’t heard back, so I wrote again, said “I saw the Feb. issue, it looks great, I understand why you didn’t want that story, and, BTW, what about my money?”

Got an email from her around 6 tonight, saying “I am no longer the editor here – talk to Alex, who’s now going to be editing this.” (Alex is the publisher – the idea guy – the entrepreneurial type – the guy I’d met with last summer who I was so enthusiastic about working with.) Now the one thing Alex had made pretty damn clear was that he doesn’t want to edit this puppy.

And neither of the two people he’s tried out in that position has worked out.

So I’m thinking two things:

  1. I should write him and say “Look, what you’re trying isn’t working, you need someone who may know a tad less about the subject matter but knows how to put together a magazine – like, say, me.”

And 2) do I really want to hitch my wagon to this particular star?

Of course, given the serious paucity of stars in my life at this moment, how much worse off would I be if I get thrown under the wheels in three months like each of the last two editors?

(Elsewhere in the news: Got a call yesterday from a PR type who I’ve had some dealings with on some freelance work I’ve been doing, sounding me out about writing a major article [2500 words] for one of the publications at Drexel’s business school. This is the first time I’ve had someone contact me and say “I know you’re a writer, is this an assignment you’d be interested in?,” so that was very cool.)

So a job I first phone-interviewed for MONTHS ago, who I got an email from the other week indicating I was still a viable candidate, sent me another email that almost makes it sound like I actually got the job…I don’t know, you tell me. Here’s parts of the email:

So…sounds pretty reassuring, right?

Actually, not to me, but I may be wrong. And maybe you have more information that would reassure you, that isn’t reflected in the email.

Are you quite sure that this is a job and not some kind of bait and switch training school scam? Do they pay you while you take this “class”? Do you pay them? Are you guaranteed a job after the class? Whatever this is, it is not a job offer.

Can you tell us something more about your experience with the company?

It doesn’t sound like an offer to me at all but does sound like a potential scam.

As for me, I’ve started getting rejection e-mails from jobs I have NO recollection of applying to…

Sorry, I wasn’t clear. This is from a well-known medical company, and they have training sessions/classes a few times a year to train people for their field engineer program. I don’t pay anything for the class. I would actually get hired, and then paid to take the class/training program. It’s a mix of classroom instruction and in the field training.

It sounds positive to me Bouv.

Twickster, I agree with you that there is no harm in approaching the man to see if they need an editor. He may have realized by now that he is out of his depth.

Go for it! Nothing ventured, nothing gained, after all.

Well, I did, this morning, and just got back the following:

So – he’s not going to give it to me without advertising again, but I figure I’ve got to end up as a finalist for it. I hope so, anyway!

That’s great, twicks. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

twickster that sounds like good news! I’m sending a whole bunch of lucky thoughts your way.

If you haven’t responded yet, you must. Take the bulls by the horn - if that last email wasn’t an invitation for you to become the White Knight, I don’t know what is.

Write back, saying something like

“Working with you, Rob, to make “Sustainability” become Philadelphia’s premiere environmental journal* would be a pleasure to me as well. Before you waste tens of hours posting yet another job description**, why don’t we go ahead and meet this Friday at 2:00 at your office***? I guarantee you that my editorial experience**** applied to “Sustainability” will have a significant positive impact in readership, which will translate to top-line revenue growth, including both increases in subscriptions and advertising sales and rates*****.”

*Or whatever he’s trying to do - I only know what I’ve read on this page. :wink: Name is also completely made up as well - you know the details, I know the tactics. :wink:

** Reminding him of the onerous chore of finding yet another editor in chief, of filtering through dozens of resumes from people he doesn’t even know…

*** … a task in which you’ll save him from, this week. Also, you’re taking the bull by the horns here. What have you got to lose? Nothing but the job.

**** If you don’t have “editorial experience”, rephrase this so that you still use the word “experience”. “Magazine experience”, “environmental-action experience”, whatever.
***** He might not even care about advertising sales or subscriptions, but whatever it is that he’s looking for his editor to achieve, close with a positive statement saying how you can help him do so…

“… my editorial experience will be the fulcrum needed to bring down the whole, rotten, power-structure.”

Whatever the ultimate objective he is looking for, tell him you can help him reach it.

Seriously: Don’t wait!! You do NOT want him posting the job, not if you can help it.

It’s a scam. She’s offering you a login to a website that probably crawls HotJobs, Monster, etc for job listings.

Pay the $185 if it will make you feel better, but it won’t give you “a very real chance…(to) get a great job in short order.”

JohnT – thanks for your suggestions – but I am so totally not the type of person to do a hard-charging, jargon-filled pitched like that – and he is so totally not the type of person to respond well to it if I did. I have already responded, in a far more low-key manner.

The reason he didn’t go with me last summer was, basically, that I have *too much *experience – he thought he could get by with someone who a) could be paid significantly less and b) had a better handle on the subject matter (I know lots about gardening, not so much about photovoltaic or biogas energy). He’s now realizing that my skill set is the one he needs – unless he can find someone who has both. And I don’t think he’s going to find that person – because all the subject matter geeky types haven’t been spending their time learning how to put together a handsome magazine packed with content. (Plus, of course, since I’ve been unemployed since last April, my salary expectations are far more in line with his budget at this point.)

I’m finishing up a job today that I have got to finish today – but I’m going to spend the next few days working up a critique of the February issue, which I’ll send along to him next week, along with my ideas about what I would do differently.

And that will solidify my position as the person against whom all candidates are measured, which isn’t the worst possible position to be in.

Well it has been a long long road, but I am finally truly employed.

We have incorporated in PA, and we now have a bank account and I should start getting paid this month! Every little bit was a fight, even the freaking bank account. But it is done and I will have a source of income for 09. Next week the guys in London should send a wire over for my next few months and I will write me a check.

Hooray! :slight_smile:

Congratulations!

Whoo hoo! Remember, pay yourself first! I was concerned from some of your earlier posts that these people were deliberately jerking you around and had no real intent to pay.

Yay, Khadaji!

Yay Khadaji!!!

Good luck to ya Twicks!!!
So I am still looking for a job, and I am doing my damndest to get close, I just don’t know what else I can do about one in particular.

There is an agency in Chicago that I looked at the website who says they offer 90-day paid intern-to-hire opportunities. It doesn’t give any specifications that you have to be in school (I have graduated recently) and it doesn’t give any starting date. The worst part is all it tells you to do is “Send a resume and cover letter” and that’s it; it also says “no phone calls about this job please.” I have sent my resume and cover letter to the address-got no word back, I also have sent a followup E-mail to that address pretty much every day (It’s really short, basically a “Hey I want your internship, please call or e-mail me thanks”).

Since there is no timetable listed on the internship, and since they haven’t responded to me yet I was tired of not being in the know. So I thought of a plan…

I called the company (Their number was on the website) and said “I am a recent grad calling agencies looking for employment, got any?” I wanted to be vague enough not to specifically mention the internship (since they told me not to call about it) but I was gonna try to weasel some info out of them…

Receptionist: “We have an internship program (score!!!) that we are starting to look at candidates soon”

Me: Oh, neat…but I need to ask, do you have to be in school to be a part of this?

Recep: No, I am an intern right now and I graduated in May(score again!!! I did too!!!) Just go to our website and send a resume and cover letter.

Me: Ok, Thanks.
So hopefully they are gonna look at resumes soon, and I have mailed multiple times in an effort to try to make my name show up enough for them to call me, but what more is there for me to do? Anyone? I would love to call directly again but since they specifically told me not to I bet against it. I can’t just drive up there (They’re in Chicago, I am in Indy) and say “Here I am”. So does anyone have any advice as to what I should do? Or am I just stuck playing this evil waiting game?

And I have not one but two interviews on Monday.

Yay, Quartz! Looks like things are starting to turn around a bit.

crosses fingers, knocks wood