# SDMB Baseball Hall of Fame, Round 8: Left Fielders **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** baseball-mlb\ **Created:** [September 5, 2008, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237 "2008-09-05T20:48:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/1 "2008-09-05T20:48:17Z")
This is the eighth round of voting on the SDMB Baseball Hall of Fame. In this round we will be voting on left fielders. The rules remain the same as before: 1. Please vote for TEN left fielders who have played major league baseball in North America, not including Negro League play, for which we will have other rounds of voting. You may vote for fewer than ten if you like, but I do ask you name ten if you possibly can. If you vote for more than ten, all names past #10 are discounted. The order you place the players in makes no difference. 2. Your votes are not restricted by any restriction Cooperstown uses. You may vote for currently active players, players who have just recently retired, or players who eligibility to Cooperstown has passed. In effect you may vote for anyone who has ever played a single game of center field in what we would term “the major leagues” as commencing with the foundation of the National League in 1876. Only players who have already been inducted are ineligible. 3. The ten players who receive the most votes are immediately inducted into the Hall of Fame. Voting closes Tuesday midnight EDT. 4. Although I will provide, in this post, a full list of all left fielders who are in the Hall of Fame, likely candidates, or had careers of significant length and accomplishment, **it is an open ballot and you may vote for absolutely anyone you wish. If I miss a really significant name, please make it known.** As per the other outfielding ballots I have had to use my judgment in ascertaining who is a left fielder, as opposed to right or center. If a big name is missing, please consult the other ballots. However, THIS IS AN OPEN BALLOT; THE LIST OF NAMES IS JUST TO HELP YOU. YOU CAN VOTE FOR ANYONE. Players who miss out will get a chance in the wild card voting. 1. Discussion is encouraged but please let some votes gather up first, and be nice. Detailed discussion of this series of threads may be found here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=477967&page=1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=477967&page=1) Past votes and results can be found here: [Catchers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=476856) [First Basemen](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=477378) [Second Basemen](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=477940) [Shortstops](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=478259) [Third Basemen](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=478648) [Right Fielders](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=479107) [Center Fielders](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=479674) Thanks, and happy voting! Moises Alou Dusty Baker George Bell Albert Belle Barry Bonds Lou Brock Jesse Burkett George Burns Joe Carter Fred Clarke Jose Cruz Sr. Ed Delahanty Del Ennis George Foster Augie Galan Ron Gant Kirk Gibson Luis Gonzalez Goose Goslin Chick Hafey Tom Harper Rickey Henderson Willie Horton Frank Howard Monte Irvin Joe Jackson Charlie Jamieson Bob Johnson Duffy Lewis Greg Luzinski Charlie Keller Joe Kelley Ralph Kiner Dave Kingman Sherry Magee Heinie Manush Joe Medwick Bob Meusel Minnie Minoso Stan Musial Lefty O’Doul Jim O’Rourke Tim Raines Manny Ramirez Jim Rice Joe Rudi Jimmy Sheckard Al Simmons Willie Stargell B.J. Surhoff Bobby Veach Zack Wheat Roy White Billy Williams Ken Williams (the one from the 1920s, not the current GM of the White Sox) Ted Williams Carl Yastrzemski ---
**Author:** ![dgrdfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@dgrdfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgrdfd)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/2 "2008-09-05T21:31:11Z")
Barry Bonds ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/3 "2008-09-05T21:41:07Z")
Barry Bonds Lou Brock Rickey Henderson Joe Jackson Stan Musial Ted Williams Carl Yastrzemski Al Simmons Manny Ramirez Joe Medwick ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/4 "2008-09-05T21:52:35Z")
No character clause, right? Ted Williams Carl Yastrzemski Barry Bonds Stan Musial Rickey Henderson Ed Delahanty Joe Jackson Tim Raines Manny Ramirez Willie Stargell Lots of good candidates, but those ten are pretty clear choices, in my opinion. Manny’s probably the most borderline, given his laissez-faire defense. Edit: **Southern Yankee** , defend Brock over Raines, if you want. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/5 "2008-09-05T22:12:00Z")
Stan Musial Ted Williams Barry Bonds Ricky Henderson Minnie Minoso Tim Raines Manny Ramirez Carl Yastrzemski Ralph Kiner Al Simmons Just missed: John Lowenstein & Charlie Spikes 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/6 "2008-09-05T22:12:15Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > No character clause, right? > > Ted Williams > Carl Yastrzemski > Barry Bonds > Stan Musial > Rickey Henderson > Ed Delahanty > Joe Jackson > Tim Raines > Manny Ramirez > Willie Stargell > Lots of good candidates, but those ten are pretty clear choices, in my opinion. Manny’s probably the most borderline, given his laissez-faire defense. > > Edit: **Southern Yankee** , defend Brock over Raines, if you want. 🙂 I wanted to include Raines, but I think he’s just outside the top 10. Brock had 3000 hits, more stolen bases (which is what they’re both best known for,) and scored more runs. Raines has a slight lead in OPS and Slugging, but Brock did his best work in a pitchers’ era. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/7 "2008-09-05T22:17:03Z")
I’m somewhat surprised to find this group the strongest of all the positions. Ted Williams Stan Musial Bonds Ricky Henderson Right there you have arguably 4 of the top 20 of all time. ---
**Author:** ![Jello](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@Jello](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jello)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/8 "2008-09-05T23:33:19Z")
Barry Bonds Ted Williams Stan Musial Rickey Henderson Manny Ramirez Carl Yastrzemski Ed Delahanty Al Simmons Jesse Burkett Billy Hamilton I’m surprised I couldn’t find a place for Tim Raines, since I was rooting for him in the vote last year, but the numbers just didn’t add up. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/9 "2008-09-05T23:40:59Z")
Ted Williams Stan Musial Carl Yastrzemski Barry Bonds Rickey Henderson Ed Delahanty Manny Ramirez Goose Goslin Charlie Keller (My sentimental pick) Willie Stargell ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/10 "2008-09-05T23:44:16Z")
**Jello:** Billy Hamilton was elected as a center fielder, so maybe there’s room after all for Raines. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jello](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@Jello](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jello)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/11 "2008-09-06T00:01:13Z")
Aha - so he was. I was using Baseball-Reference to look up statistics, and for pre-1957 players they don’t mention which outfield position anyone played, so I went by a faulty memory. (Though I wasn’t born until several decades after Billy Hamilton’s death, so I can forgive myself this time.) **RickJay** , if you could change my vote to include Raines, then. Thanks (you too, **Gadarene** ). ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/12 "2008-09-06T00:50:25Z")
> [@Jello](#): > > Aha - so he was. I was using Baseball-Reference to look up statistics, and for pre-1957 players they don’t mention which outfield position anyone played, so I went by a faulty memory. (Though I wasn’t born until several decades after Billy Hamilton’s death, so I can forgive myself this time.) > > **RickJay** , if you could change my vote to include Raines, then. Thanks (you too, **Gadarene** ). Done. I’d have PM’d you if it had not already been caught. My list: Stan Musial Ted Williams Rickey Henderson Barry Bonds Carl Yastrzemski Ed Delahanty Al Simmons Tim Raines Manny Ramirez Goose Goslin I found this a very difficult ballot to fill out. ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/13 "2008-09-06T01:41:46Z")
Barry Bonds Lou Brock Rickey Henderson Stan Musial Tim Raines Jim Rice Willie Stargell Billy Williams Ted Williams Carl Yastrzemski ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/14 "2008-09-06T02:47:03Z")
1. Ted Williams 2. Stan Musial 3. bonds 4. Yaz 5. Stargell 6. Manny Ramirez 7. Monte Irvin 8,Shoeless Joe 8. Al Simmons 9. Ricky Henderson This position gets the nutcases and miscreants. I am still looking at Stargell. May change later. Williams was the splendid spitter and feuded with the Sox fans. Henderson was a pain. Bonds is a doper and Manny is crazy. ---
**Author:** ![threeorange](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@threeorange](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threeorange)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/15 "2008-09-06T02:54:28Z")
This was hard, and on another day I might have voted differently. In are: Barry Bonds Lou Brock Ricky Henderson Ralph Kiner Stan Musial Manny Ramirez Al Simmons Willie Stargell Billy Williams Ted Williams Near miss: Albert Belle Joe Jackson Jim Rice Carl Yastrzemski ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/16 "2008-09-06T03:56:50Z")
Barry Bonds Ed Delahanty Rickey Henderson Frank Howard Ralph Kiner Ducky Medwick Stan Musial Manny Ramirez Pops Stargell Ted Williams This was by far the hardest group I’ve had to choose from. A week ago, I’d have been SURE Carl Yastrzemski was going to be in my top ten. He’ll still make it for sure, eventually, but I had to leave off several very deserving players. Frank Howard is a guy I had to include, because (like my hero, Harmon Killebrew) he was belting long home runs in bunches at a time when pitchers had all the advantages. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/17 "2008-09-06T05:09:52Z")
Barry Bonds Ed Delahanty Rickey Henderson Joe Jackson Stan Musial Tim Raines Willie Stargell Billy Williams Ted Williams Carl Yastrzemski Including Jackson cost Frank Howard my sentimental vote, if anyone cares. ---
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/18 "2008-09-06T16:13:37Z")
Barry Bonds Stan Musial Ted Williams Carl Yastrezemski Willie Stargell Rickey Henderson Al Simmons Lou Brock Joe Jackson Manny Ramirez ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/19 "2008-09-06T16:33:59Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > I wanted to include Raines, but I think he’s just outside the top 10. Brock had 3000 hits, more stolen bases (which is what they’re both best known for,) and scored more runs. Raines has a slight lead in OPS and Slugging, but Brock did his best work in a pitchers’ era. Raines has a huge 42 point lead in OBP, which pretty much renders all other statistical comparisons as unimportant. The era difference isn’t all that significant; while Brock did play a goodly chunk of his career in the 60’s, it was in good hitting parks, while Raines’ peak years were in Montreal’s Mausoleum. BBRef’s “[Air](http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/bat_glossary.shtml#AIR)” rating attempts to peg the overall run context of a player’s career, and there Brock only has a minor advantage (2 points). Yes he has the 3,000 hits and more SBs, but Raines has a much better SB% and was on base more overall. Now there’s an interesting research project for someone willing to find out why Brock scored more runs while being on base ~400 fewer times, but Raines doesn’t need to equalize that to be more valuable. Oh and my ballot: Ted Williams Stan the Man Barry Bonds Rickey Henderson Carl Yastrzemski Tim Raines Manny Ramirez Willie Stargell Al Simmons Billy Williams ---
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237/20 "2008-09-06T16:39:15Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Raines has a huge 42 point lead in OBP, which pretty much renders all other statistical comparisons as unimportant. The era difference isn’t all that significant; while Brock did play a goodly chunk of his career in the 60’s, it was in good hitting parks, while Raines’ peak years were in Montreal’s Mausoleum. BBRef’s “[Air](http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/bat_glossary.shtml#AIR)” rating attempts to peg the overall run context of a player’s career, and there Brock only has a minor advantage (2 points). Yes he has the 3,000 hits and more SBs, but Raines has a much better SB% and was on base more overall. Now there’s an interesting research project for someone willing to find out why Brock scored more runs while being on base ~400 fewer times, but Raines doesn’t need to equalize that to be more valuable. Ok. I was on the fence with this pick, but this analysis totally changed my mind. I would like to change my vote for Lou Brock to a vote for Tim “Rock” Raines [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-round-8-left-fielders/462237.md?page=2)