# SDMB Baseball Hall of Fame Vote #3: Second Basemen **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** baseball-mlb\ **Created:** [August 2, 2008, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569 "2008-08-02T03:21:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/41 "2008-08-04T06:15:38Z")
Rogers Hornsby Nap Lajoie Joe Morgan Jackie Robinson Ryne Sandberg Roberto Alomar Craig Biggio Lou Whitaker Willie Randolph Chuck Knoblauch ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/42 "2008-08-04T13:58:25Z")
Chuck Knoblauch but not Eddie Collins? Is that possibly defensible? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/43 "2008-08-04T19:51:35Z")
This one was way tougher than the first basemen: Rogers Hornsby Nap Lajoie Jackie Robinson Eddie Collins Joe Morgan Rod Carew Ryne Sandberg Bobby Grich Roberto Alomar Charlie Gehringer The first seven were gimmes, as far as I was concerned. The last three spots were a toss-up among the three guys I actually put in there, along with Jeff Kent, Cupid Childs, Joe Gordon, Biggio, Tony Lazzeri, and Larry Doyle. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/44 "2008-08-04T20:29:09Z")
Rogers Hornsby As a general rule if your career batting average is over 350 and you had power, I’ll vote for to the hall of fame. Nap Lajoie: Hitting 338 with speed generally works too. Eddie Collins: Or 328. We will find the lower limit eventually. Charlie Gehringer: Still looking Jackie Robinson: The dude could play some ball. Joe Morgan: He probably doesn’t understand why he was great, but he was. Craig Biggio: If you are unsure on Biggio’s candidacy look at two numbers. HBPs and GIDP. The amount of extra times he got on base with HBPs (the most ever) and the lack of times where he caused double outs on his at bats (In 1997 in 744 PA he grounded into no double plays) put him over the top. Perhaps the best player ever at the little things that generally go unnoticed. Roberto Alomar: Has there been anyone else who has been a star for so many teams. Just an all around great player until he reached New York. Rod Carew Good enough of a hitter to make up for other faults. Ryan Sandberg Tenth sounds about right. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/45 "2008-08-04T20:31:52Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] Joe Morgan: He probably doesn’t understand why he was great, but he was. [/QUOTE] 😃 That had me laughing, well played sir. ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/46 "2008-08-04T22:55:14Z")
Without reading anyone else’s list, I submit the following choices ( **bolded names** indicate players I actually saw in person or during live broadcasts, while others are based on reputation): **Roberto Alomar** (most Gold Gloves and second-most Silver Slugger awards at the position make him hard to overlook, although it would be interesting to see where he’d rank if these honors both had been around since 1900 or thereabouts) **Rod Carew** (crowded out at first, he should make it as a keystone sacker) Eddie Collins Bobby Doerr (my dad, who considers the 1948 Indians the ultimate baseball team, has convinced me of this Red Sox star’s worthiness for the hall) Frankie Frisch Rogers Hornsby Napoleon Lajoie **Joe Morgan** Jackie Robinson **Ryne Sandberg** Since Biggio played significant numbers of games at several different positions, I look forward to voting for him in a “Wild Card” round. Just missed: Joe Gordon, Bill Mazeroski, **Davey Lopes** ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/47 "2008-08-05T00:59:26Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] I used different numbers and gave Alomar a bonus for his glove. Glove should be especially important up the middle at least. Not that Biggio and Sandberg were bad, they were in fact good. I think Alomar was great (at least until he got to the Mets) Sandberg is almost surely going to make the cut here, but I don’t think he should be top 10. I am glad to see Nap Lajoie is going to make the cut, at so far. **Frank** , how do you leave \*\*Jackie Robinson \*\* off? Are you going purely by the numbers? When a player is bigger than the game and changes the game and the country I think he deserves some huge bonus points. [/QUOTE] Jackie Robinson only got 1500 hits. That is way short of hall stats. If you want special cases baseball owes McWire and Sosa a bunch. They brought the game back when it needed help. They have been tossed down the crapper. But I think baseball should recognize what they did for them. If Mark would have fessed up in front of congress he would have gotten love. He tried to skate and paid big. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/48 "2008-08-05T01:31:08Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] Jackie Robinson only got 1500 hits. That is way short of hall stats. If you want special cases baseball owes McWire and Sosa a bunch. They brought the game back when it needed help. [/QUOTE] I think we have to agree to disagree here. Baseball did not need the McGwire-Sosa home run chase; attendance was fine. There’s no comparison at all between an attendane bump in St. Louis and Chicago for one year versus the desegregation of the entire sport. The exclusion of blacks from baseball was a disgrace to baseball and its end, in my humble opinion, was the best thing that has ever happened in the entire history of the major leagues. As a smarter man than me once said, there’s a lot of players with more hits than Jackie Robinson, but there aren’t many players with their own postage stamps. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/49 "2008-08-05T01:32:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Jackie Robinson only got 1500 hits. That is way short of hall stats. And yet John Olerud is one of the ten best first basemen to ever play the game? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/50 "2008-08-05T02:17:15Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] And yet John Olerud is one of the ten best first basemen to ever play the game? [/QUOTE] Yes that proves Jackie is in the top ten. Well argued. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/51 "2008-08-05T02:28:47Z")
Would you like to compare Robinson’s stats and skillset to Olerud’s relative to other players at their respective positions? ---
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/52 "2008-08-05T02:43:34Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] Jackie Robinson only got 1500 hits. That is way short of hall stats. . [/QUOTE] Did Grich’s 300 hits in 7 more seasons somehow put him over that magical number? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/53 "2008-08-05T02:58:12Z")
One more hour to vote, and it’s REALLY CLOSE. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/54 "2008-08-05T04:00:01Z")
Joe Morgan Nap Lajoie Charlie Gehringer Frankie Frisch Craig Biggio Ryne Sandberg Jackie Robinson Rod Carew Eddie Collins Rogers Hornsby ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569/55 "2008-08-05T04:02:47Z")
Our results are in, and ladies and gentlemen, we have a tie, and we will be inducting eleven new members into the SDMB Baseball Hall of Fame! Although I didn’t think this was likely, it happened; Craig Biggio and Frankie Frisch tied for tenth (and just barely missed tying Robbie Alomar at that) and since there’s no tiebreaker rule, they’re both in. Since this means we’re ahead a second baseman… well, that’s okay. Jusat one less great second baseman available for choosing in the wild card, In all 26 players got a vote, but here are your Hall of Fame inductees: Rogers Hornsby Ryne Sandberg Jackie Robinson Joe Morgan Rod Carew Eddie Collins Charlie Gehringer Napoleon Lajoie Roberto Alomar Frankie Frisch Craig Biggio This vote includes our first two genuine dead ball era inductees, which is nice to see. In case you are wondering the closest runner up was Bobby Grich. Congratulations to all our inductees, who recieve a nice plaque, provided they or their living relatives come to my house and ask for it and pay me for it besides. And thank YOU for creating our SDMB Baseball Hall of Fame. Vote #4, for shortstops, begins now: > **[SDMB Baseball Hall of Fame, Vote #4: Shortstops](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=478259)** > > This is the fourth round of voting on the SDMB Baseball Hall of Fame. In this round we will be voting on shortstops. I think this one will REALLY be a doozy. The rules remain the same as before: Please vote for TEN shortstops who have played... Please keep voting! > **[SDMB Baseball Hall of Fame, Vote #4: Shortstops](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=478259)** > > This is the fourth round of voting on the SDMB Baseball Hall of Fame. In this round we will be voting on shortstops. I think this one will REALLY be a doozy. The rules remain the same as before: Please vote for TEN shortstops who have played... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-3-second-basemen/458569.md?page=2)