# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2081 "2012-06-19T09:55:05Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > NAEP studies show very slight reductions in the race gap. The race gap in SAT scores is increasing. > > [http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171](http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171) [Here](https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:wLsl6GYdlPYJ:www.cep-dc.org/cfcontent_file.cfm?Attachment%3DChudowsky2Kober_STST07-08_P3-GapandAchievementForAll_100109.pdf+flynn+says+achievement+gap+is+shrinking&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgDA19uVhNqZe3_UG4DkACEiuVNZbAMbKdNHrzSeE_nKzed3p4wGguAH9ldErAPx3O3RXCTIn5nK5Wsu3w6wfEP3vRNBS_kNzkwbLdPL5eJz-ulwt7JHUb-qCY7rGrKhEW_9-ka&sig=AHIEtbSakbFEPo8jzzSLOqEWK7uLu3Z7dw)’s another study for you to ignore because it might actually show different results than you expect. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2082 "2012-06-19T10:08:08Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > NAEP studies show very slight reductions in the race gap. The race gap in SAT scores is increasing. > > [http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171](http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") 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Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) 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Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2083 "2012-06-19T10:34:25Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Currently the Scandinavians have low crime rates. A possible explanation for the difference between now and 1,200 years ago is that the more aggressive males went on the raiding parties where most of them got killed, or settled elsewhere. The more peaceful males stayed home to tend the farm. Encore a Fable of Esope for inventing a just so tale in the fashion of a small infant. > [@](#): > > Civilization began in Egypt and in what is now Iraq. Egypt has a low crime rate, despite a low standard of living. Of course this is more irrelevances for your [Lysenkoist fables](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism)with all the self contradictions that become astounding and magnificent in the great breadth of their stupidities. Of course by your incoherent theories, [the ancient mixed “race” background](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt) of the Egyptians must make the more criminal than the Irak. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [But Iraq doesn’t.](http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2009/10/rising-crime-rate-in-iraq.html) In truth of course these crime statistics, and in particular these crime statistics that come out of police states are nonsense. But it is amusing how NDD picks and chooses, and ignores where African countries have low crime in the statistics like Senegal or in countries with large black African genetical input like Morocco and like Egypt. No, it is all the picking here and there for a fable of Esope that is nothing about the world and all about the provincial politics of where he lives. > [@Mijin](#): > > So…are Hispanics negro now? Or is this another of your cites that refutes your own point? It is another occasion that reveals his ideas to have no logical consistencies and no real logic to them at all, other than creating childish fables to justify his incoherent beliefs. It is funny he comes back to his simple ideas of race and uses Egypt which is the very proof of the argurments refuting him and rendering him riduclous, as from the very decent and with rich citations Wiki page on Egypt population: > [@](#): > > Luis, Rowold et al. found that the diverse NRY haplotypes observed in a population of mixed [Arabs](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs) and [Berbers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berbers) found that the majority of haplogroups, about 60.5% were of [Eurasian](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian) origin. They found that markers signaling the [Neolithic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic) invasion from the [Middle East](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East) constitute the predominant component. The remaining 39.5% were clades that belonged to [Haplogroup E1b1b](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b),and [E1b1a](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E1b1a) found predominantly amongst the [Nubians](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubians) and populations of the [Horn of Africa](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_of_Africa) and the [Mediterranean](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean) basin. E1b1b and its derivatives are characteristic of some [Afro-Asiatic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic) speakers and is believed to have originated in either the [Near East](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_East), [North Africa](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa), or the [Horn of Africa](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_of_Africa).[[32]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-luis-31)[[33]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-32) > A study by Krings et al. from 1999 on [mitochondrial DNA](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA) [clines](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cline_%28biology%29) along the Nile Valley found that a [Eurasian](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian) cline runs from [Northern Egypt](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Egypt) to [Southern Sudan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Sudan) and a Sub-Saharan cline from [Southern Sudan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Sudan) to [Northern Egypt](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Egypt).[[34]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-kings-33) An mtDNA study of modern Egyptians from the [Gurna](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurna) region near [Thebes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thebes) in Southern Egypt revealed that [Eurasian](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian) [Out of Africa](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans) haplogroups represented 79.4% of the population, with the remainder 20.6% being of [Sub-Saharan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Saharan) origin. The oral tradition of the Gurna people indicates that they, like most modern day Egyptians, descend from the [Ancient Egyptians](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptians) [[35]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-stevanovitch-34) > […](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-stevanovitch-34) > [The results of these genetic studies is consistent with the historical record, which records significant bidirectional contact between Egypt and Nubia, and the](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-stevanovitch-34)[Levant](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant)/[Near East](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_East) within the last few thousand years, but with general population continuity from the [Early Dynastic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Dynastic) period up to the modern day era.[[37]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-krings-36)[[38]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-lucotte-37) [Swiss](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland) scientists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy centre, iGENEA, reconstructed DNA profile of Tutankhamun, based on a film that was made for the Discovery Channel, which showed that Tutankhamun has [Haplogroup R1b1a2](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_%28Y-DNA%29), to which more than 50% of European men belong.[[39]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-38) However, this DNA group also shows up in parts of northern Africa, particularly Algeria, where tests have found it in 11.8% of subjects.[[40]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-Robino-39) The R1b haplogroup is also found in central Africa around Chad and Cameroon,[[41]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-40) but the Chadic-speaking area in Africa is dominated by the branch known as R1b1c (R-V88).[[42]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt#cite_note-Cruciani2010-41) It all shows the complete incoherence of his race ideas. On every front we can look the actual science of genetics makes him a fool. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2084 "2012-06-19T10:35:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Of course, the NAEP studies (as well as scientists like Flynn) show that the achievement gap is shrinking, and “black” scores are improving. But you just dismiss any conflicting data. > > What race are the Hausa and Mandenka? Or the Tchadic populations? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2085 "2012-06-19T10:52:27Z")
One funny thing I noticed: NDD claimed earlier that 5-10 Million people all share his view. I wonder… How many of them are biologists? Genealogists? Anthropologists? Actual scientists of any meaningful caliber whose works haven’t been completely debunked and whose reputations aren’t “That insane racist guy”? Oh, and, for good measure: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2086 "2012-06-19T11:20:32Z")
To be honest, the blocks of youtube links unlabelled are not helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2087 "2012-06-19T11:27:45Z")
Oh, ok. [The video that completely dissects and dismantles NDD’s entire argument](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI&feature=g-u-u) [The video that completely dissects and dismantles NDD’s entire argument](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI&feature=g-u-u) [The video that completely dissects and dismantles NDD’s entire argument](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI&feature=g-u-u) Better? :V ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2088 "2012-06-19T11:42:50Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I am composing hypotheses for what is known to be true. And then ignoring evidence that disproves those hypotheses. We’ve already discussed your abuse of the scientific method in great depth. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What race are the Hausa and Mandenka? Hausa and Mandenka are, of course, Nigeria’s most popular comedy duo. That bit where Hausa goes “Oh ManDEEEEENka!” breaks me up every time. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > One funny thing I noticed: NDD claimed earlier that 5-10 Million people all share his view. I wonder… How many of them are biologists? Genealogists? Anthropologists? Actual scientists of any meaningful caliber whose works haven’t been completely debunked and whose reputations aren’t “That insane racist guy”? I’m just waiting for the claim that several board members have been emailing him messages of support but _we’ll never know which ones_ because they’re _secret_ racists. That’s always a good one. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2089 "2012-06-19T11:50:50Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Oh, ok. > > [The video that completely dissects and dismantles NDD’s entire argument](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI&feature=g-u-u) > [The video that completely dissects and dismantles NDD’s entire argument](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI&feature=g-u-u) > [The video that completely dissects and dismantles NDD’s entire argument](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI&feature=g-u-u) > > Better? :V No. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2090 "2012-06-19T12:07:18Z")
Tbh I’m just waiting for him to address them, then I’ll stop. But until then, I see very little purpose in bringing up other arguments, if he’s willing to ignore the arguments that most convincingly and thoroughly debunk his bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2091 "2012-06-19T12:14:52Z")
I do not myself find youtube videos to be of any use. I do not know why you find this useful. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2092 "2012-06-19T13:33:41Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Oh, ok. > > [The video that completely dissects and dismantles NDD’s entire argument](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI&feature=g-u-u) > [The video that completely dissects and dismantles NDD’s entire argument](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI&feature=g-u-u) > [The video that completely dissects and dismantles NDD’s entire argument](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI&feature=g-u-u) > > Better? :V I started watching it. It is too long, too boring, and too full of liberal platitudes. The sanctimonious tone of voice of the man giving the talk was irritating. If you understand what he said, present the basic argument in a precis that fits on one computer screen. If you can’t do that, you don’t understand it yourself. I might have waded through it if it was in writing. Then I would have taken sections and refuted them. I will present my argument in my own words in one paragraph. Race is a useful biological concept that can be verified by DNA testing. The human species can be divided into three major races, and several smaller races, like the Australian Aborigines, that do not fit easily into one of the three major categories. The three major races can be further divided into sub races, such as Orientals, American Indians, and Ashkenazim. These races and sub races have evolved in specific locations, where they faced different population pressures. Consequently, the various races differ significantly in average ability levels and behavior. Because these differences exist everywhere and always have those differences are almost certainly biological. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2093 "2012-06-19T13:39:54Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I will present my argument in my own words in one paragraph. Race is a useful biological concept that can be verified by DNA testing. The human species can be divided into three major races, and several smaller races, like the Australian Aborigines, that do not fit easily into one of the three major categories. The three major races can be further divided into sub races, such as Orientals, American Indians, and Ashkenazim. These races and sub races have evolved in specific locations, where they faced different population pressures. I’ve shown multiple times how your racial classification scheme is false. The “three major races” scheme is invalidated by the phylogenetic tree I’ve referred to. What race are the Hausa? The Mandenka? How do you address my criticism of your “three race” concept? It really is baffling how you keep repeating this “three race” concept when the evidence shows it is invalid with regards to genetic relationships. Do you just ignore information like that phylogenetic tree? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2094 "2012-06-19T13:41:10Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > …I might have waded through it if it was in writing. Then I would have taken sections and refuted them. That would then be a first for us to see. What I think you meant to write is that you would have ignored any inconvenient evidences and replied to some things by just assertions like this: > [@](#): > > Race is a useful biological concept that can be verified by DNA testing. Mangificent, you assert this again as if to make it true, despite the mountains of citations against. It takes some interesting courage to some definately make oneself ridiculous again. > [@](#): > > The human species can be divided into three major races, and several smaller races, like the Australian Aborigines, that do not fit easily into one of the three major categories. Encore the same assertions without ever managing to reply in reality to the refutations of your races. > [@](#): > > Because these differences exist everywhere and always have those differences are almost certainly biological. Et encore again. Exsit everywhere except where they do not and always have because that is what you believe, as there is no such coherent evidence. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2095 "2012-06-19T13:43:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ve shown multiple times how your racial classification scheme is false. The “three major races” scheme is invalidated by the phylogenetic tree I’ve referred to. What race are the Hausa? The Mandenka? How do you address my criticism of your “three race” concept? You tell me who the Hausa and the Mandenka are. If they distinguished themselves intellectually I would know. My guess is that they are Negroes. If not, they are a small race like the Australian Aborigines. Perhaps they are hybrid races like the Hispanics. More probably they are sub races within the Negro category. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2096 "2012-06-19T13:43:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ve shown multiple times how your racial classification scheme is false. The “three major races” scheme is invalidated by the phylogenetic tree I’ve referred to. What race are the Hausa? The Mandenka? How do you address my criticism of your “three race” concept? > > It really is baffling how you keep repeating this “three race” concept when the evidence shows it is invalid with regards to genetic relationships. Do you just ignore information like that phylogenetic tree? We can expect more assertions without any reference to the actual genetic datas shown and cited. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2097 "2012-06-19T13:49:01Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You tell me who the Hausa and the Mandenka are. Et here we see that you have not in any way done \*\*any \*\ ***reading of any of the citations or other data** provided here. Well, we could alll guess that by the non sense of your replies. > [@](#): > > If they distinguished themselves intellectually I would know. Yes, like your great knowledge of the world literatures, from the perspective of a provincial american who speaks only one language. Of course it is irrelevant the question achievements for they are cited for their genetic positioning. But we see again you have actually no care for the actual biology of the genetics. It is only the cultural politics and your provincial and badly educated views. > [@](#): > > My guess is that they are Negroes. That is interesting of course as your category really means black people you hate. But it is very funny to see this response that so clearly confirms that you do not even bother to read the genetic data and the citations that are presented. You are the master of the ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2098 "2012-06-19T13:50:05Z")
When we adopted Colin, his birth mother, who is Caucasian, did not identify his birth father. The only information she gave on her intake form was that the father was African-American, and we did not ask any additional questions about it the first time we met her… I started researching DNA testing online, and found that there are tests that can determine genetic ancestry… Then we mailed it back to the company. About three weeks later, they e-mailed us the results. And…… Colin is Hispanic and Caucasian. > **[DNA testing for race and ancestry-Colin](https://myminivanrocks.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/dna-testing-for-race-and-ancestry/)** > > When we adopted Colin, his birth mother, who is Caucasian, did not identify his birth father. The only information she gave on her intake form was that the father was African-American, and we did n… ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2099 "2012-06-19T13:50:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > … Do you just ignore information like that phylogenetic tree? In fact we have just seen that yes, that is the case. He does not even read. It is funny, how he continues to make himself ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2100 "2012-06-19T13:51:08Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You tell me who the Hausa and the Mandenka are. If they distinguished themselves intellectually I would know. My guess is that they are Negroes. If not, they are a small race like the Australian Aborigines. Perhaps they are hybrid races like the Hispanics. More probably they are sub races within the Negro category. Here we see the fact-based, highly-logical mind at work: “I don’t know who they are, therefore they’re probably Negroes.” Such intellectual rigour is to be admired, preferably from a great distance away. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=104) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=106)