# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2101 "2012-06-19T13:52:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do you just ignore information like that phylogenetic tree? How does that tree conflict with my explanation of races? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2102 "2012-06-19T13:55:06Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You tell me who the Hausa and the Mandenka are. If they distinguished themselves intellectually I would know. My guess is that they are Negroes. If not, they are a small race like the Australian Aborigines. Perhaps they are hybrid races like the Hispanics. More probably they are sub races within the Negro category. Both of these groups hail from West Africa. The Mandenka have a more recent common ancestor with Europeans and Asians then with the Hausa (and both of these are very large African ethnic groups, numbering in the tens of millions). Obviously they can’t be considered the same race, genetically. There are numerous pairings of large African ethnic groups that show this counter-intuitive genetic relationship. Your “three race” categorization completely fails when genetic data from varied, large African populations is fed in. It doesn’t make sense to include groups that are so far apart (and closer to the other “races”) in the same “race”. How could both of these groups, or groups like the Bamileke and Kikuyu, or the many other pairings that show this, possibly both be “Negro”? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2103 "2012-06-19T13:56:07Z")
Holy shit, this is still happening. I had hoped it was all a dream. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2104 "2012-06-19T13:56:15Z")
Dey looks black to him! ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2105 "2012-06-19T14:01:40Z")
Yes, Olive, you really caught lightning in a bottle this time. Of course, the lightning is several magnitudes brighter than NDD or Brazil… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2106 "2012-06-19T14:05:53Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > How does that tree conflict with my explanation of races? Because it shows numerous sub-Saharan African populations that have a more recent common ancestor with Europeans and Asians then with numerous other sub-Saharan African populations. ([here](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7290/fig_tab/nature08976_F3.html) is the chart again) Here are several pairs of African populations (according to mitochondrial DNA) that show the same relationship- the first is closer to Europeans and Asians then it is to the second: Bamileke and Kikuyu Mandenka and Hausa Yoruba and Biaka Ewondo and Ibo Yoruba and Mandenka Ibo and Hausa And there are others just in that chart, and probably dozens or hundreds of others involving population groups that this particular study did not utilize samples from. It makes no sense to include any of those pairings in the same race, unless that race also includes all Europeans and Asians (which, as I said before, are closer to the first group than to the second in all these cases, according to this chart). Human genetic relationships are hard, and science is hard. Genetics show that’s pretty much impossible to divide all (or even most) of humanity into just three groups by genetic relationships between populations. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2107 "2012-06-19T14:07:24Z")
Yeah, it’s amazing that after thousands of posts, the “genetic evidence” basically comes down to “I know it when I see it”. And it’s still amazing that “evidence” apparently still means “correlation that I want to be true”, rather than “shown to be statistically significant and controlled for other factors”. There’s dumb. There’s willfully blind. And then there’s this singularity of vapidity that threatens to doom human intelligence as we know it. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2108 "2012-06-19T14:27:07Z")
Fortunately, NDD’s own logic tells us their progeny (if any) are unlikely to survive to reproduce … ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2109 "2012-06-19T14:34:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Both of these groups hail from West Africa… > > How could both of these groups, or groups like the Bamileke and Kikuyu, or the many other pairings that show this, possibly both be “Negro”? They are also primarily peoples of the Sahel. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2110 "2012-06-19T14:35:40Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Dey looks black to him! It is in fact his real thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2111 "2012-06-19T14:46:47Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > How does that tree conflict with my explanation of races? You’re the guy who claims that African-Americans aren’t “negroes” but are “mulattoes” and then claim that studies of African-Americans prove that “negroes” are “superior athletically” but “mentally inferior”. There is a very technical term for such logic. Stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2112 "2012-06-19T14:49:26Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Yeah, it’s amazing that after thousands of posts, the “genetic evidence” basically comes down to “I know it when I see it”. > > And it’s still amazing that “evidence” apparently still means “correlation that I want to be true”, rather than “shown to be statistically significant and controlled for other factors”. > > There’s dumb. There’s willfully blind. And then there’s this singularity of vapidity that threatens to doom human intelligence as we know it. I think you’ve summed up NND’s contribution to this thread very well. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2113 "2012-06-19T14:55:21Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > When we adopted Colin, his birth mother, who is Caucasian, did not identify his birth father. The only information she gave on her intake form was that the father was African-American, and we did not ask any additional questions about it the first time we met her… > > I started researching DNA testing online, and found that there are tests that can determine genetic ancestry… > > Then we mailed it back to the company. About three weeks later, they e-mailed us the results. And….. > > Colin is Hispanic and Caucasian. > [DNA testing for race and ancestry-Colin | My Minivan Rocks!](http://myminivanrocks.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/dna-testing-for-race-and-ancestry/) Hispanic is a race? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2114 "2012-06-19T15:02:20Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Hispanic is a race? I would classify it as a hybrid race, composed of Europeans, American Indians, and some Negroes. Because of this mixed character the Hispanic crime rate and average IQ is between whites and Negroes. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2115 "2012-06-19T15:08:32Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Yeah, it’s amazing that after thousands of posts, the “genetic evidence” basically comes down to “I know it when I see it”. > > And it’s still amazing that “evidence” apparently still means “correlation that I want to be true”, rather than “shown to be statistically significant and controlled for other factors”. > > There’s dumb. There’s willfully blind. And then there’s this singularity of vapidity that threatens to doom human intelligence as we know it. The cliche “correlation is not causation” is repeated by those who do not want to recognize obvious causes. Evidence of intrinsic racial inequality exists everywhere. I have posted quite a lot of it in this thread. Talk to a public school teacher who has taught whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Orientals. If the teacher tells the truth that teacher will tell you that there is a difference. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2116 "2012-06-19T15:10:51Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > You’re the guy who claims that African-Americans aren’t “negroes” but are “mulattoes” and then claim that studies of African-Americans prove that “negroes” are “superior athletically” but “mentally inferior”. > > There is a very technical term for such logic. Stupid. You did not answer my question. Is that because you were too stupid to understand it? That question once again: how does that tree contradict my explanation of race? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2117 "2012-06-19T15:14:20Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You did not answer my question. Is that because you were too stupid to understand it? That question once again: how does that tree contradict my explanation of race? You weren’t addressing me, but are you kidding? **I** answered it in post #2102 and #2106, on this same page. Did you miss it? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2118 "2012-06-19T15:14:34Z")
If race is only a social construct, why does the non race of Negroes deserve special preferences in order to achieve diversity and inclusion? Why does the non race of Negroes need special preferences in order to achieve diversity and inclusion? When are those people going to behave and perform as well as whites and Orientals? Another fifty years? Another five hundred years? I would like an estimate. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2119 "2012-06-19T15:17:31Z")
So, now, we have “hybrid” races. And NDD has changed his tune ONCE AGAIN and added American Indian as a separate, distinct race (how many is that now? 6? 7?), where before, AmerInd was definitely one of the other races. “Evidence of inequality” is NOT “evidence of a genetic link between race and intelligence”. You don’t assume the alternate hypothesis. You assume the null hypothesis until you have statistically significant evidence otherwise. How many times does that need repeating? I’ve made that point numerous times. How have you controlled for socioeconomic factors? How have you separated genetic factors from other potential biological factors in intelligence? How have you separated even biological factors from ANY other factors? You wouldn’t get as much backlash if you made even a slightly less inane point, like “This ‘race’ is less intelligence than this other ‘race’”. Sure, you’d get backlash (because it’s still a dumb, and as yet unproven point), but at least you wouldn’t be getting basic science as wrong as you get it here. And that doesn’t even touch on the massive errors in history and culture you’ve made over the last several weeks (Imperial Exam, history of technology in Japan, performance of Asians in the US in Hawaii or 19th century California, representative democracy and high standard of living being higher among Western Europeans (not even all “white” people) in the 20th century well before East Asia, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2120 "2012-06-19T15:23:07Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > So, now, we have “hybrid” races. And NDD has changed his tune ONCE AGAIN and added American Indian as a separate, distinct race (how many is that now? 6? 7?), where before, AmerInd was definitely one of the other races. As I pointed out, American Indians are a sub race of Mongoloids. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=105) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=107)