# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 107
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2121 "2012-06-19T15:25:23Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Why does the non race of Negroes need special preferences in order to achieve diversity and inclusion? Seriously? Nice strawman. Nobody has ever claimed race wasn’t a sociological race. Only that it was not a genetic one. Find ONE quote among any of your detractors on this board that claimed otherwise. And if it’s a sociological one, it means people treat them as a single race, even if there’s no genetic basis for it. The fact that you don’t get even this basic point after several weeks is mind-boggling. It displays a fundamental inability to process information that is shocking in any normal, functioning adult human. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2122 "2012-06-19T15:25:58Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If race is only a social construct, why does the non race of Negroes deserve special preferences in order to achieve diversity and inclusion? Encore, politics and his social resentments, not science and not genetics. It is well understood, your resentments, but they are boring. If you want to talk about provincial american politics, do so. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Evidence of intrinsic racial inequality exists everywhere. Except it does not. You are quite unartful when you ignore again and again the refutations, staying silent on the lowness of your indicator, crime where it is inconvenient to you, moving the populations that you want to prove a point from one “race” to another in a fashion ad hoc with no scientific logic at all. Everyone has noted this. > [@](#): > > Talk to a public school teacher who has taught whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Orientals. If the teacher tells the truth that teacher will tell you that there is a difference. This is not evidence of anything but the cultural problems you have in your country. You make this your argument of inherent difference? It is nothing but an argument of cultural bigotries. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You weren’t addressing me, but are you kidding? **I** answered it in post #2102 and #2106, on this same page. Did you miss it? > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I would classify it as a hybrid race, composed of Europeans, American Indians, and some Negroes. Because of this mixed character the Hispanic crime rate and average IQ is between whites and Negroes. Mangificent, hybrid races appear when he needs them for his arguments, and disappear when he wants to make his The Blacks They Are Bad Bad Bad. No logic or science at all. Only naked prejudice and illogic. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2123 "2012-06-19T15:28:33Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > How have you controlled for socioeconomic factors? > > How have you separated genetic factors from other potential biological factors in intelligence? Poor Orientals have lower crime rates than blacks. Poor Oriental children perform better in school than blacks. When the Chinese were developing one of the greatest civilizations in existence the ancestors of American blacks were stone age savages eating each other. Cannibalism is still a problem with African blacks. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2124 "2012-06-19T15:29:28Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > As I pointed out, American Indians are a sub race of Mongoloids. You mean you have asserted this when you need to. But what is the genetic distinguishing of this sub race? I know, you will provide us with the various ad hoc cultrual and sociological arguments from your provincial anglo experience, and then hadn wave yourself into declaring there must be genetic differences. It is most amusing. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2125 "2012-06-19T15:31:12Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The cliche “correlation is not causation” is repeated by those who do not want to recognize obvious causes. > > Evidence of intrinsic racial inequality exists everywhere. I have posted quite a lot of it in this thread. Talk to a public school teacher who has taught whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Orientals. If the teacher tells the truth that teacher will tell you that there is a difference. That would be me, and once again you demonstrate that your memory genes are faulty. As I said before, after more than 10 years of working in administrator’s offices and substituting, I can tell you that it does not matter if the student is black, Hispanic white or “oriental”, the most important difference will be that both parents or even one are involved with the education of their children. So, you need to drop this idea that you are being polite in this discussion, the fact is that you are telling all others that they are liars with virtually no evidence to support you, telling others that people from education will sing your tune only if they tell the truth **is** insulting x100 ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2126 "2012-06-19T15:31:53Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Nobody has ever claimed race wasn’t a sociological race. Only that it was not a genetic one. Does this mean that most blacks are stupid because most whites think they are? 😕 If race is only a “sociological” concept, what is it that DNA tests are so accurate in revealing? ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2127 "2012-06-19T15:34:00Z")
The cliche “correlation is not causation” is repeated by those who do not want to recognize obvious causes. No, it is noted by those who have the \*\*most very basic, elementary understanding \*\*of science and statistics. Your ignorance, it burns…:smack: ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2128 "2012-06-19T15:35:12Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That would be me, and once again you demonstrate that your memory genes are faulty. > > As I said before, after more than 10 years of working in administrator’s offices and substituting, I can tell you that it does not matter if the student is black, Hispanic white or “oriental”, the most important difference will be that both parents or even one are involved with the education of their children. Is it the fault of whites that so few blacks parents are involved in the education of their children, or are even married? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2129 "2012-06-19T15:35:30Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Poor Orientals have lower crime rates than blacks. Higher standard of living and averaged over an entire country. Parts of Detroit also have high crime rates compared to the rest of the world. It’s no accident that the crime rate spiked when manufacturing jobs left. So, AGAIN, where’s your analysis that properly controls for socio-economic factors? > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > When the Chinese were developing one of the greatest civilizations in existence the ancestors of American blacks were stone age savages eating each other. Not all of them. And it still ignores the example of Japan. And the fact that the Chinese civilization pretty much collapsed. Or any of the civilizations that rose up in Africa (that subsequently also collapsed, as China, Rome, and other empires have done from time to time). > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Cannibalism is still a problem with African blacks. And among peoples from Fiji to Papua New Guinea and other underdeveloped parts of the world. Now, you’re just posing a new hypothesis. Where’s your evidence that cannibalism has a genetic component? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2130 "2012-06-19T15:37:17Z")
NDD- are you going to respond at all to my criticism of your “three races” based on the phyogenetic tree? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2131 "2012-06-19T15:40:37Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If race is only a “sociological” concept, what is it that DNA tests are so accurate in revealing? WHAT DNA TESTS? You haven’t shown a SINGLE DNA test that links to intelligence. Zero. Zilch, Nada. You’ve also completely IGNORED tests showing that black children in the UK and Germany perform on par with their white socioeconomic peers. That’s what we mean by controls. There’s no achievement gap in the UK but there is one in the US. But your conclusion is obviously to jump to race, rather than eliminate other potential factors. That’s what we mean by bad science. If there’s a contrary data point, you don’t simply dismiss it. You need an explanation for it. If I gave our clients the same kind of reasoning you did, we’d be out of business quickly. They have little patience for haphazard reasoning and a lack of actual scientific evidence. Nor have you shown, despite the absolutely humongous amount of contrary evidence, the genetic basis for grouping all sub-Saharan Africans together. It’s like linking lions with zebras because they’re both from Africa. Other than an accident of geography, you haven’t shown that all those populations are more closely related to each other than to other human populations elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2132 "2012-06-19T15:40:51Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Does this mean that most blacks are stupid because most whites think they are? 😕 That is illogical with an attempt at some reason tacked at the end, but I see that your brain is finally beginning to rub the few synapses in there. \*\*Some \*\*whites think they are. Regardless of evidence. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If race is only a “sociological” concept, what is it that DNA tests are so accurate in revealing? Already explained by others, so stop playing the naive card. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2133 "2012-06-19T15:42:36Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Is it the fault of whites that so few blacks parents are involved in the education of their children, or are even married? 😕 And for that to be genetic other that a societal issue you will have to point at the genes responsible for that, in any case, it was absolutely stupid for you to say that educators would sing your tune. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2134 "2012-06-19T15:43:31Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If race is only a “sociological” concept, what is it that DNA tests are so accurate in revealing? They’re not revealing race, though they may reveal population ancestry, which can then be assigned to the “sociological” race. For example, DNA tests may reveal one’s ancestry is mostly Bamileke, which sociologically is considered “black”. But the sociological definition ignores real-world evidence, like the fact that the Bamileke are closer, genetically, to “whites” and “Asians” than to many other “black” groups like the Kikuyu. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2135 "2012-06-19T15:46:24Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I would classify it as a hybrid race, composed of Europeans, American Indians, and some Negroes. Because of this mixed character the Hispanic crime rate and average IQ is between whites and Negroes. I don’t give a damn how you classify it. It’s not a race by any definition. I detest racists. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2136 "2012-06-19T15:51:17Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The cliche “correlation is not causation” is repeated by those who do not want to recognize obvious causes. Well, no, it’s a bedrock principle of science, and logic. Which is why you don’t like it. It allows pathetically lazy, biased thinking like yours. You are an immature, hateful person ruled by your emotions. You use logical fallacies to try to justify them. Most people can see right through that. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2137 "2012-06-19T15:59:02Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > I don’t give a damn how you classify it. It’s not a race by any definition. > > I detest racists. I do not detest those who are unwilling to recognize the reality of innate racial inequality. I do regret their control over the public discussion. * * * The Orwellian disinformation about innate group differences is not wholly the media’s fault. Many academics who are familiar with the state of knowledge are afraid to go on the record. Talking publicly can dry up research funding for senior professors and can cost assistant professors their jobs. But while the public’s misconception is understandable, it is also getting in the way of clear thinking about American social policy. - Charles Murray, from “The Inequality Taboo” [The Inequality Taboo, by Charles Murray](http://www.bible-researcher.com/murray1.html) * * * What we need is a real dialogue on race in which it will be safe to discuss black social pathology and the enduring race gap in intelligence and performance. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2138 "2012-06-19T16:00:36Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What we need is a real dialogue on race in which it will be safe to discuss black social pathology and the enduring race gap in intelligence and performance. How about a real dialogue where you look at that phylogenetic tree and explain how you can still hold to your “three races” idea? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2139 "2012-06-19T16:00:53Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > You are an immature, hateful person ruled by your emotions. You use logical fallacies to try to justify them. Most people can see right through that. I do not make appeals to emotion. Those who flame me for telling the truth reveal how hateful they are. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2140 "2012-06-19T16:06:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They’re not revealing race, though they may reveal population ancestry, which can then be assigned to the “sociological” race. For example, DNA tests may reveal one’s ancestry is mostly Bamileke, which sociologically is considered “black”. But the sociological definition ignores real-world evidence, like the fact that the Bamileke are closer, genetically, to “whites” and “Asians” than to many other “black” groups like the Kikuyu. They are also very useful in identifying disease and genes that can help or prevent others. But the most important thing to take into account here is that racists are very keen on using medical research that is dedicated on finding specific genes that can cause diseases or be a factor in them to be evidence of races or that then we should therefore treat races differently, conveniently forgetting that medical researchers are against those interpretations, and they have good reasons for that in medicine. In the most ironic development a recent case of a drug made for black people was found to be beneficial also for all other “races” that also had many of the same genes that could incite the heart condition, the worst item in this affair was that there was little evidence to point to specific genes that caused the condition and that the medicine would be useful when those genes were present. Point being that once again we are one race and the irony is that many white people did not share the benefits of this research until later. > **[Race in a Bottle](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-in-a-bottle/)** > > Drugmakers are eager to develop medicines targeted at ethnic groups, but so far they have made poor choices based on unsound science [http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)60052-X/fulltext](http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2960052-X/fulltext) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=106) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=108)