# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/201 "2012-05-31T19:30:58Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > As I have pointed out several times before, if the differences were environmental they would be more flexible. And if the differences were purely genetic, you’d be President of the United States like Obama or a renowned astrophysicist like Neal deGrasse Tyson, instead of a racist loser trying desperately to sublimate his small penis anxiety by spamming message boards with half-assed Google research. Obviously more research is needed, Doctor. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/202 "2012-05-31T19:32:23Z")
> [@drew870mitchell](#): > > You know damn well what I meant by “inferior,” No, because I tried to interpret your question on the assumption that you were not strawmanning me. However, since you insist: Please show me where I stated that any race or races was (simply) “inferior.” Please quote me. Failing that, please admit that I said no such thing and apologize. Your choice. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/203 "2012-05-31T19:44:48Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Starting on post #454 my point still stands, " **where are your cites showing the scientists you linked supporting your solutions or verdicts**? Where are the organizations like the Hoover Institute supporting your solutions based on your ideas? > > Your voices are silent, and not only because of the facts, but because you clearly are so pathetic that you are not even capable of noticing how unlikely is that the people in power would give you even the time of the day." I have not presented much of anything in the way of solutions. What I have posted is evidence that racial differences are significant, reasonably inflexible, and that they repeat themselves throughout the world. In addition, I have not descended to the kind of insults you have. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/204 "2012-05-31T19:46:34Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > No, because I tried to interpret your question on the assumption that you were not strawmanning me. > > However, since you insist: > > Please show me where I stated that any race or races was (simply) “inferior.” Please quote me. Failing that, please admit that I said no such thing and apologize. > > Your choice. You’re not really going to return to this Randroverian claim that “less intelligent” doesn’t mean “inferior,” are you? It was laughable bullshit then, and it hasn’t improved with age. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/205 "2012-05-31T19:50:17Z")
“Anyone on an internet forum can claim any identity.” This is true, but I am willing to stipulate you present yourself accurately. How about an answer? And no, I am not willing to stipulate you are well informed. Any moron can cherry pick points to support his beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/206 "2012-05-31T19:55:15Z")
> [@drew870mitchell](#): > > **brazil84** , or **New Deal Democrat** if you’re so inclined as well, I have a question for you: > > What was the journey of discovery for you to learn that certain races are inferior? Why did you get started reading racialist theories? Did you used to believe differently? What hypothesis did you set out with, and what facts convinced you your currently-held theory is true? My parents raised me not to dislike blacks, and to believe that the differences between blacks and whites were minimal and due to racial discrimination. I still will not dislike a black person because the person is black. However, I have learned that the differences are fairly significant, and do not seem to be diminishing. The fact that so many liberals are unable to discuss this matter calmly - as conservatives are able to discuss global warming calmly - indicates to me that they are not really confident in what they claim to believe. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/207 "2012-05-31T19:56:53Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > “Anyone on an internet forum can claim any identity.” > This is true, but I am willing to stipulate you present yourself accurately. How about an answer? > And no, I am not willing to stipulate you are well informed. Any moron can cherry pick points to support his beliefs. OK, go out and find evidence that blacks perform and behave as well as whites, or at least that that they are improving. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/208 "2012-05-31T19:59:30Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > This is what I got from your first link: > > Inhabitants at Termit, in eastern Niger became the first iron smelting people in West Africa and among the first in the world around 1500 BC. > [Ferrous metallurgy - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_industry#Indigenous_South_of_the_Saharan_Africa) > > Everything else I have read about the beginning of the iron age agrees with this: > > Modern archaeological evidence identifies the start of iron production as taking place in Anatolia around 1200 BC… > > Sub-Saharan Africa has produced very early instances of carbon steel found to be in production around 2000 years before present. > [Iron Age - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age) > > “years before present” means “years ago.” What I have read is that the Bantu learned the use of iron from the Nubians about 500 BC, who learned it from Egypt. Carbon steel and iron smelting are two different things. The Haya were first at forging carbon steel, by hundreds of years. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/209 "2012-05-31T20:24:44Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > My parents raised me not to dislike blacks, and to believe that the differences between blacks and whites were minimal and due to racial discrimination. I still will not dislike a black person because the person is black. However, I have learned that the differences are fairly significant, and do not seem to be diminishing. Well, golly, how noble of you not to sink to hating the poor dumb negroes you have to deal with all the time. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/210 "2012-05-31T20:25:23Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have not presented much of anything in the way of solutions. What I have posted is evidence that racial differences are significant, reasonably inflexible, and that they repeat themselves throughout the world. > > In addition, I have not descended to the kind of insults you have. You are so cute when showing fake navitee, even in the link I already pointed out the items that you are pushing. And if you are actually not presenting any solutions, then the point by the OP is justified, just STFU. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/211 "2012-05-31T20:30:29Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > My parents raised me not to dislike blacks, and to believe that the differences between blacks and whites were minimal and due to racial discrimination. I still will not dislike a black person because the person is black. However, I have learned that the differences are fairly significant, and do not seem to be diminishing. > > The fact that so many liberals are unable to discuss this matter calmly - as conservatives are able to discuss global warming calmly - indicates to me that they are not really confident in what they claim to believe. I have discussed also global warming, suffice to say you are an ignoramus even on this, conservatives do not discuss that subject calmly, many actually even deny that there is a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/212 "2012-05-31T20:33:37Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > They do, which is why arguments like yours always fail: they’re based on phenotypes or socio-cultural groupings or geographical populations, underscored by the assumption that the members of those group share a common genotype. > > Except that they don’t, and it’s been conclusively proven that they don’t, and it gets mentioned in every single freaking one of these threads that they don’t, and then the handwaving and equivocation begins. From a _genetic_ standpoint there is no such unified (or even loosely connected) population as “blacks”; the genotypical groups that are part of the standard phenotypical or socio-cultural groupings are too diverse. And thus it can’t be demonstrated that “blacks” are genetically inferior, superior or anything else. I’m not a scientist, anthropologist or sociologist so you lose me when you deny the existence of race. Whether it is a social construct or whatever, I am pretty sure that I can pick the black guy out of a crowd of “orientals” How are races any different than breeds of dogs or horses. Do you think there may be some genetic basis for why the Olympic sprinting and NBA is dominated by black players or is that entirely attributable to environment as well? It seems to me that if you can draw a correlation between some heritable trait and the population of folks that most people would call black, then you should explain why you would exclude intelligence as a heritable trait that the group of people we call black can pass on to their children. I hjave no doubt that environment has a lot to do with how black children perform on IQ tests but just saying that there are environmental factors doesn’t exclude the possibility of genetic factors. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Now, throughout most of history there was a consensus that the Negro race was inferior. Yeah, I’m pretty comfortable categorically stating that racism played a BIG part in that. > [@](#): > > Truth cannot be determined by a popularity contest. Some truths are unpopular. You have a hypothesis with some data supporting you, but you have not exactly proven your point. What weakens your argument is that you refuse to acknowledge that environmental factors are probably still the largest factor in explaining any differences in IQ score. > [@](#): > > All anyone needs to to to prove that I am wrong it to demonstrate that blacks on the average perform and behave as well as whites, or at least that there has been a significant convergence since the civil rights legislation was signed nearly two generations ago. IIRC, there had in fact been convergence of IQ scores. There is evidence that this convergence slowed starting in the 1970’s. This maybe the result of social programs or simply the result of a slower pace of economic advancement by the black community. Its also when rap music got starts… just saying… > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The reason I think it is a genetic difference is because expensive efforts by the government to help blacks, as well as the civil rights legislation have done little to enable blacks to behave and perform as well as whites on the average. Conservatives would point out that those programs have actually been counterproductive. They point to the slowing of the IQ convergence as one data point supporting their position. > [@](#): > > As soon as Jews were not discriminated against intellectually they excelled. As soon as blacks were not discriminated against athletically they excelled. Blacks have not been discriminated against intellectually for nearly two generations. With affirmative action programs they are discriminated in favor of. Nevertheless, by every objective criteria they still lag very far behind. > > They also have a rate of violent crime that is about eight times the white rate. I would suggest that there are some toxic elements of black culture that that are not only tolerated but celebrated. Black guys used to call other black guys “brother” now they call them “nigger” they used to call black women “sister” not they call them “bitches” and “hos” The glorification of violence, the disdain for academics, the priorities in the family and the communities. I agree wtih Flynn on many of these points. Its just toxic.. On top of that, you add the widespread poverty, racism, lack of role models, high incarceration rate and its not really that surprising that the black community is largely dysfunctional. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Blacks tend to perform poorly on all the mental aptitude tests however they are designed. Efforts to bridge the race gap in performance always fail. IIRC, the higher up in the socioeconomic spectrum you go, the less of a disparity you tend to see. Poor blacks seem to do far worse than their poor white counterparts while rich blacks only do moderately worse than their rich white counterparts. The notion seems to be that racism compounds the effects of poverty and any innate differences in IQ (if any). > [@](#): > > During the 1960s liberals made mistakes that have turned the United States into a Republican country. Most of what made the Republicans a viable party is the increasing pace of social change that we have experienced in the last 50 years. We’re not about to put women back in the kitchen, take the vote away from blacks, or ban abortion. > [@Gyrate](#): > > How odd that they should claim racial discrimination in instances where race appears to be the primary factor in that discrimination. My old high school was attacked as racist because admission was based on a standardized test and the black and hispanic enrollment was disproportionately low. This was called racist. It was bullshit. The city even started a program giving free test prep in black and hispanic neighborhoods and it made little to no difference. > [@](#): > > Which, if true, has a lot more to do with socio-economic circumstances than with genes. Are you saying that genes have NOTHING to do with it? > [@Kobal2](#): > > No idea, but I would WAG Tiger Momming has something to do with it. There certainly is a lot of peer pressure and expectations (nay, demands) of academic brilliance and/or work from Korean, Chinese and Japanese parents who live their lives along traditional cultural principles. > It also happens to be an oppressive and socially stunting environment ; and the social shunning involved when the children dare break from or defy this traditional upbringing is nothing short of shameful, but that’s another matter. > > What it is, however, is not genetic. The tigermom meme has created a double standard for Asian kids. When an Asian kid gets a good SAT score, its because thei mothers practically took the SATs for them. When a white kid does well, its natural ability, after all white kids just fall out of bed one day and take the SATS while Asians kids start preparing for the SATs in utero. I don’t see any difference ebtween the emphasis that Asian parents place on education and the emphasis that almost any immigrant or middle class parent of bright children place on education. > [@Fuji](#): > > If it is genetic, then why did “Orientals” allow the British to force them at **gunpoint** to consume large quantities of opium or allow the Americans to incinerate their cities with atomic devices? Are you under the impression that dumb people cannot shoot or bomb smart people? > [@](#): > > To repeatedly fail in the theater of ultimate competition - war - would seem to be more indicative of mental lethargy than acuity. Yeah cuz when the Romans conquered the Greeks it was because of Rome’s intellectual sueriority. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > East Asian cultures have fostered the development of individuals who perform well on standardized IQ tests. And if those standardized IQ scores were not the best predictors we have on a whole range of other things then i would also be inclined to dismiss those scores as meaningless but high IQ scores mean more than the ability to take IQ tests well. > [@](#): > > I have seen no credible scientific evidence to indicate that genetics explains this discrepancy more than culture does. But do you think genetics might explain any of that discrepancy? > [@](#): > > As for Sub-Saharan Africans - they have been historically cursed by geography, not genetics, you stupid, stubborn man. I remember reading somewhere that the average IQ of subsaharan africans was somewher around 65. That would put the average subsaharan african was moron level mentally retarded. Its hard to believe that these test scores have any validity. > [@Harmonix](#): > > The fact that orientals typically have low rates of criminal behavior and high IQ, does not necessarily imply a genetic reason. You can not claim that because this is true, there must be a genetic reason. > > You’re confusing sufficiency, with necessity. A genetic reason may be Sufficient to explain the difference, but it is not NECESSARY to explain the difference. > > To prove a causative relationship in science you need to prove necessity. > > Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. So the burden is on you. As a graduate level scientist, I can tell you that your ‘evidence’ does not rise to the level of nessecary to prove your claim. I notice that a lot of the arguments for lack of heritable intelligence also confuse sufficiency for necessity. But considering that I agree taht teh burden lies with the person making the more extraordinary claim, I think at best we can call NDD’s claim an opinion or a hypothesis but I don’t know how people can be so goddam certain that genetics have nothing to do with it. There are all sorts of studies on the IQ of adopted children that show IQ disparities consistent with the IQ disparities. Why do Asian kids adopted into white households tend to outperform white kids (of the same socioeconomic level) raised by their natural parents? Are adoptive parents more likely to be tiger moms? Sure there are all sorts of other factors and especially with blacks (stereotype threat, caste effect, etc.) but why the gap with hispanics in countries like Mexico, where is the stereotype threat there, where are the pernicious effects of racism there? > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If forty years is not enough to erase racial differences it ought to have reduced them somewhat if they are environmental. I think we have in fact seen a shift in entry of blacks into the American middle class. I think we have in fact seen those entrants maintain that socioeconomic in following generations. I suspect that if we stopped all affirmative action today, the black middle class would not collapse on itself. > [@](#): > > In this chart of SAT scores beginning during the school year 1990-91 you can see what while Orientals have improved significantly in both mathematics and reading ability, blacks have hardly improved at all, and the gap between them and whites has grown. You’ve got to measure this stuff over decades if not generations. Over the decades, IQs have converged. That 15 IQ points you mention from time to time is probably closer to 10 points right now. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > “Correlation does not imply causation,” can be and often is used to deny any causal relationship one does not want to believe. No, thats not really true, not in this case. Where you have multiple signifcant other factors that could explain the correlation, you can’t declare victory by simply showing correlation. You might be right but you might not. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I do not think that blacks should be discriminated against. I do not think they should be discriminated in favor of. Show me that racism no longer exists and that we are at the resting state absent racism and we can stop. I am not anywhere close to convinced that racism isn’t a significant issue any more. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/213 "2012-05-31T20:44:40Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Show me that racism no longer exists and that we are at the resting state absent racism and we can stop. I am not anywhere close to convinced that racism isn’t a significant issue any more. However you define “racism” you will probably agree that there is less of it now than in 1960. Unfortunately, black rates of crime are higher than they were then. Black rates of illegitimacy are much higher. There has been little improvement in academic performance. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/214 "2012-05-31T20:49:04Z")
What we are talking about here is interpreting statistics, research methodology, and integrating it with our subjective experiences. What are your _qualifications_ to interprete the science? ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/215 "2012-05-31T21:12:56Z")
Wow, this thread moves fast. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If forty years is not enough to erase racial differences it ought to have reduced them somewhat if they are environmental. Maybe and maybe not. Maybe other factors have been sufficient to offset any benefit from civil rights legislation. Many conservatives argue that civil rights legislation and initiatives such as affirmative action do little more than infantilize blacks and make them dependent on government assistance. Although I won’t subscribe to a theory like that it carries as much a priori plausibility as your own, which should be sophisticated enough to describe why it’s the more likely explanation. > [@](#): > > In this chart of SAT scores beginning during the school year 1990-91 you can see what while Orientals have improved significantly in both mathematics and reading ability, blacks have hardly improved at all, and the gap between them and whites has grown. Problem is, a thousand and one theories explain this and most of them don’t involve differences in IQ between races being primarily genetic. It just won’t do to state outright that forty years should have been time enough — you need to describe in more detail _why_ civil rights legislation _would have_ reduced the IQ gap if your theory were wrong. That is: you need to supply a coherent (if incomplete) model of the determinants of intelligence. Elsewhere you write that those who point out how correlation does not imply causation do so as a last resort. But that’s not a last resort; taking confounding factors into account is _just what it means_ to do thorough, convincing causal analysis. I also wonder if you addressed, somewhere, my pointing out that the mean IQ in Thailand is 87. Does this not falsify your theory? If it _doesn’t_ falsify your theory, then why do the factors which explain Thailand’s relatively low IQ not apply elsewhere? I’m not suggesting they don’t, but it’s something you can’t ignore _if_ your goal is convincing others. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/216 "2012-05-31T21:20:55Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You’re not really going to return to this Randroverian claim that “less intelligent” doesn’t mean “inferior,” are you? Sure, what’s the problem with it? Is it your position that if Person X is less intelligent than Person Y, then Person X is necessarily inferior to Person Y? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/217 "2012-05-31T21:28:32Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I am not stomping my feet at all. I am calmly presenting my arguments. The foot stomping you hear is caused by those who insult me because they cannot refute my arguments. Dude, your ‘‘arguments’’ are so beyond the bounds of rationality and decency that there really isn’t any impetus to debate with you. It would be like arguing with a four year old. It’s absurd that you think a few insults posted on a message board are even in the same league as the horror that your moronic ideas visit upon the world. I could viciously insult you every day for the rest of your life and never do as much harm as you have. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/218 "2012-05-31T21:51:46Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Dude, your ‘‘arguments’’ are so beyond the bounds of rationality and decency that there really isn’t any impetus to debate with you. It would be like arguing with a four year old. It’s absurd that you think a few insults posted on a message board are even in the same league as the horror that your moronic ideas visit upon the world. I could viciously insult you every day for the rest of your life and never do as much harm as you have. I have responded calmly and in a civil manner to the insults that have been thrown at me. My arguments are rational, and based on facts that I document. How have I done any harm by telling the truth? Charles Murray put it best when he wrote,“specific policies based on premises that conflict with scientific truths about human beings tend not to work. Often they do harm.” [http://www.bible-researcher.com/murray1.html](http://www.bible-researcher.com/murray1.html) As it becomes increasingly obvious that No Child Left Behind has failed, and as more is learned about the human genome, it will become increasingly obvious that there are important relationships between genes, IQ, success in life, race and crime. The dogma that the races were equal grew out of a revulsion against the racial policies of the Nazis. As more time passes that revulsion will fade. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/219 "2012-05-31T21:56:52Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > Problem is, a thousand and one theories explain this and most of them don’t involve differences in IQ between races being primarily genetic. Those theories are obviously wrong. I suspect that many are presented dishonestly by people who do not really believe them. What matters is that expensive efforts to bridge the race gap in academic performance _always fail_. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/220 "2012-05-31T22:01:23Z")
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