# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 118
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2341 "2012-06-22T03:03:45Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Quick! Somebody reverse the polarity on their brains! > > They just keep proving how ludicrous they are. It’s astounding. Like the others here, I’m learning so much by the group effort in debunking their impossible ignorance. It doesn’t matter that they’re not going to concede. We knew that by page 2. > > Thanks to everyone who’s actively shot brain bullets at **bigot84** and \*\*New Discriminatory Democrat’\*\*s kevlar helmets of stupidity. The spray of debris and flak it gives off is able to be examined like physicists looking at the results from a particle accelerator. You know who you are. > > You just can’t gut racists anywhere else on the internet like you can here. > > _47 pages and a movie!_ It’s incredible. I’m still talking about it IRL. Today at lunch I was like, ''You are not going to believe this guy I found on the internet…" I mean, I just finished watching a documentary on the Civil War and some of the things NDD says could be ripped right out of the headlines from the fucking 1800s. It’s like being transported back in time. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2343 "2012-06-22T04:49:01Z")
Thank you for making such a clear and carefully argued post as your first contribution to this message board. May your stay here be long and productive. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2345 "2012-06-22T08:07:43Z")
> [@seanmaric](#): > > FWIW Not a lot, it turns out. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2346 "2012-06-22T08:38:01Z")
Aww, Christ. Another one? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2347 "2012-06-22T08:47:40Z")
So **seanmaric** joined in February, I’m assuming from the fact that his post count is showing that he was actually a member, he made two posts and got banned. That went well. Clearly the mods are trying to quash unpopular views. Come see the violence inherent in the system! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2348 "2012-06-22T08:50:42Z")
Sock, I’m guessing. Not **NDD** ’s, I suppose, or he’d be banned too. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2349 "2012-06-22T09:00:34Z")
No easy pickings I see, guys like seanmaric are so sad and pitiful that they even fall for a mega whoosh thinking that it is a compliment to them. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2350 "2012-06-22T09:14:38Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m assuming from the fact that his post count is showing that he was actually a member I don’t think his post count was showing before he was banned. And, yeah, probably sock. Wonder whose. Probably an already banned troll just stirring up trouble, since neither NDD nor brazil have also been banned, and thus it’s presumably not theirs. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2351 "2012-06-22T10:05:11Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If I may venture some speculation - what does race really matter? The reason it matters is that there are a lot of people in the US with political power who obsess over disparate racial outcomes and insinuate that it these outcomes are the result of white racism and push (directly and indirectly) for a lot of resources to be spent “closing the gap.” > [@](#): > > - my response is that we should use genetic engineering to try to produce embryos with 18 or more of these markings. If the resulting individual ends up looking black or white or Asian or whatever - who gives a fuck, those are only petty superficial phenotypes anyway. In pretty much any new engineering process there are a lot of failures. Most people can accept that a few test pilots will be killed now and then in developing new aircraft and spacecraft. Can you accept that a few children may be born with serious problems as a result of your genetic engineering program? Also, will your typical mother who produces a low IQ child be all that into the idea of trying to produce a high IQ child? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2352 "2012-06-22T10:06:40Z")
> [@Fool\_in\_the\_Rain](#): > > 1. **brazil84** ’s position can simply be boiled down to this quote (from post #2307). There’s more to my position than that, but that is part of my position. > [@](#): > > Nope, no questions. You’ve made your position clear to me, Suit yourself. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2353 "2012-06-22T10:08:57Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Hey, that’s great, but why should I take you seriously? You may as well be talking about what kind of religion you follow, or anything else you accept without evidence. In this case, there is overwhelming evidence for my position, specifically that black underachievement is pretty much universal in both space and time. Despite a lot of efforts to “close the gap.” ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2354 "2012-06-22T10:12:48Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, then screw _you_ and I’ll throw that question out to anybody who wants to take a shot at answering it because the same deal will apply - if someone wants to claim one race has characteristics another does not, on an on-average advantage another does not, it behooves them to make some token effort at scientifically defining “race”. Do you apply this same standard to other groups? For example, one can observe that Ashkenazim generally have certain characteristics which Han Chinese do not. Similarly, one can observe that the Aka people generally have certain characteristics which Maasai people do not. It seems very likely that a lot of these differences are due to genetics – for example eye color, hair color, and in the case of the Aka people, height. And yet no scientific definitions of these groups are necessary to make these observations and conclusions. Agreed? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2355 "2012-06-22T10:18:44Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Ah it is very spcial. **84** has created his own standards and meanings so as to declare victory. and continue to ‘ban’ and ‘ignore’ the inconvenient. Lol, nice attack on my motivations. I ignore people who insist on violating my rules. By the way, please provide a quote to demonstrate your claim that " The genetic marker idea is [my] own assertion. " Failing that, please admit that I said no such thing and apologize. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2356 "2012-06-22T10:33:58Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Bzzt. Argument failure. Ummm, does that mean yes or no? It’s a simple question: Do you agree that some of the observed differences between Race 1 and Race 2 are the result of genetics? > [@](#): > > So either you assume that the differences are genetic (the aforementioned fallacy) or you introduce evidence that the differences are genetic (which means that you must actually have the evidence). Are you seriously disputing that differences in eye color between two large groups of people is caused substantially by genes? Let me ask you this: Is there any observed difference between any two groups of people which you will stipulate is largely the result of genetics? Or is it always “illogical” to believe that any such difference is the result of genetics? > [@](#): > > If it is not the case, you would not require proof of equal performance between racial groups in order to disprove your arguments. All that would be required would be to demonstrate that your argument fails on its own merits. What argument are you talking about? > [@](#): > > No, you do not understand me entirely correctly. I am not saying that they can be grouped by their genes. Ok, so you are saying that you don’t know whether Ashkenazim and ethnic Germans can be grouped by their genes? Right? And what exactly would I look for to determine whether a particular group can be grouped by its genes? Would I look for a gene (actually an allele) which is found in all members of that group but in no other group? Or something else? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2357 "2012-06-22T10:37:28Z")
No, **84** , not until you answer Mr. Eykers questions. Your little game is boring and transparent. It is obvious to all of us. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2358 "2012-06-22T10:49:14Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Well you’re the one making the claim… Different people in this thread have made different claims. I am happy to explain the basis and meaning of my claims to anyone (not on my ignore list) who asks. > [@](#): > > How do you explain the lack of achievement gap in the UK and Germany? What makes you so sure there is no achievement gap in the UK and Germany? > **[glassessment.pdf](https://lesacreduprintemps19.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/glassessment.pdf)** > > 121.70 KB Have a look at Table 4, which shows test scores for black children on the CAT (cognitive abilities test) as being significantly lower than those of white children. What’s the basis for your claim that there isn’t an achievement gap in the UK and Germany? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2359 "2012-06-22T10:50:58Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > No, **84** , not until you answer Mr. Eykers questions. I don’t engage with people who misrepresent my position. Which you have clearly done. Goodbye, liar. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2360 "2012-06-22T10:58:01Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If I may venture some speculation - what does race really matter? > [@brazil84](#): > > The reason it matters is that there are a lot of people in the US with political power who obsess over disparate racial outcomes and insinuate that it these outcomes are the result of white racism and push (directly and indirectly) for a lot of resources to be spent “closing the gap.” In addition, blacks have a rate of violent crime that is over seven times the white rate. [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) Consequently, race profiling is an appropriate way for the police to proactively reduce the crime rate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2361 "2012-06-22T12:05:19Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > In addition, blacks have a rate of violent crime that is over seven times the white rate. > > [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) > > Consequently, race profiling is an appropriate way for the police to proactively reduce the crime rate. Man you are one evil stupid jackass. It takes a real piece of shit to advocate innocent people get harassed by the police for looking to dark. I hear by advocate the parents of racist trash, who are too genetically defective to get themselves spayed and neutered after seeing the fail of their genes, receive blood letting genital punches. Someone please report this, and mods, remember I’m wishing harm on a class, not **New Deal Democrat** , so if you warn me, you must warn him for all the times he wishes harm on a class in the name of fairness. It’s a well known fact the Dope has posters of darker complexion, that he’s advocating being harassed. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2362 "2012-06-22T12:06:28Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > The reason it matters is that there are a lot of people in the US with political power who obsess over disparate racial outcomes and insinuate that it these outcomes are the result of white racism and push (directly and indirectly) for a lot of resources to be spent “closing the gap.” If you wish to campaign against affirmative action, positive discrimination, gender quotas or whatever, I’ll be right there with you. I agree that those things are wrong, and many people in this thread have also stated this. And I don’t need to say one group is weaker on average than another to hold that position. There is only one motivation I’ve seen behind efforts to “out” Group A as being weaker at something than Group B: so everyone in Group B (particularly the weaker members, who are the most insecure) can think they are superior to everyone in Group A. And this thread is typical. One minute it’s averages, the next it’s sweeping statements that imply every black person is the same. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=117) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=119)