# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 120
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2383 "2012-06-22T16:10:26Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Do agree or disagree that tests can be done on peoples’ DNA which would do a pretty good (but not perfect) job of sorting people into the traditional categories of Caucasoid; Mongoloid; and Negroid. (And possibly Australoid). Perhaps, but as we’ve shown, many populations in the “Negroid” category are actually more closely related to the other two categories than to ther “Negroid” populations. Basically, that sort of classification can be extremely misleading and does not accurately represent the clinal gradation in the genetic variation among human populations. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2384 "2012-06-22T16:14:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > That’s not responsive to my question, Sorry, I didn’t realize you were asking a question. I was responding to your statement: > [@](#): > > if someone wants to claim one race has characteristics another does not, on an on-average advantage another does not, it behooves them to make some token effort at scientifically defining “race”. I am simply asking if this principle applies to groups besides races, for example ethnic groups. I take it that you are refusing to answer my question? Also, what exactly is the question you asked me which you say I did not respond to? Please just spell it out in the form of a question. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2385 "2012-06-22T16:17:44Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Anyway, what is your position on the issue? Do agree or disagree that tests can be done on peoples’ DNA which would do a pretty good (but not perfect) job of sorting people into the traditional categories of Caucasoid; Mongoloid; and Negroid. (And possibly Australoid). Sure, but what the bloody fuck does this have to do with 1. Intelligence, or 2. Meaningful biology We can do tests on people’s DNA that separates them into blue-eyed, hazel-eyed, or brown-eyed. It doesn’t make those things meaningful races in a biological sense nor does it show any genetic basis for determining intelligence via eye color. All it does is separate them into 3 arbitrarily defined categories I decided to make up. Even after 3 weeks, these arguments haven’t gotten even one whit better. Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in (extended) vain. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2386 "2012-06-22T16:29:05Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > So you deny that **Ramira** misrepresented my position? I do, I also deny that iiandyiiii contradicted himself. You just whine and run away and hide from people who won’t play your little word games. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2387 "2012-06-22T16:36:01Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Hey, I’ve got a great idea – demonstrate that this is genetic in nature. Better idea - tell us why it matters. What possibly policy would result from that? Even if it were true, you can’t just assume that a given member of one race is smarter than a given member of another. So what’s the point? If Neil Degrasse Tyson is applying for a job over NewDealDemocrat, and you pick NDD because he’s white, that’s not going to work out, because NDT is loads smarter. On another note, it’s fun to mention a black man who is infinitely smarter than you, NDD. Hope that makes you feel bad. You deserve it. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2388 "2012-06-22T16:46:45Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Better idea - tell us why it matters. What possibly policy would result from that? Well, I imagine it has a good bit to say about affirmative action. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2389 "2012-06-22T16:53:26Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > I do, I also deny that iiandyiiii contradicted himself. Well who do you think **ramira** was talking to in Post #1335 when he said “The genetic marker idea is your own assertion.” Do you agree he was talking to me? Also do agree that you cannot provide a yes or no answer to my question from post #1097? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2390 "2012-06-22T16:54:27Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Still waiting on evidence that the intelligence gap is based on genetics. The gap is pretty much universal in space and time. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2391 "2012-06-22T16:55:06Z")
According to my research, NDD has an IQ of 57. That’s just an estimate mind you, but nobody else has researched this yet so I should be considered the foremost authority. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2392 "2012-06-22T16:55:19Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > If Neil Degrasse Tyson is applying for a job over NewDealDemocrat, and you pick NDD because he’s white, that’s not going to work out, because NDT is loads smarter. You see, this is one of the problems with NDD. According to NDD, a black man smarter than a white man is a genetic impossibility and any claims or evidence to the contrary are political correctness or affirmative action run amok. No, really. Read his posts. It’s all there. Apparently, Barack Obama is intellectually white (from his mother) but would be considered black for crime statistics. As for why it’s important, NDD thinks, as blacks are always “inferior”, there should be no problems with discriminating against them at will, because it’s impossible that any individual black man is smarter than a white man. But wouldn’t that mean you’re building in economic inefficiencies? Sure, but we in the US have done that in the past (and still do to some extent). People don’t always care if they’re maximizing profit or utility, if it satisfies some other need. And it’s not much of a secret that you can get by without the absolute best talent. And plenty of people are will to forgo the best talent if they don’t have to hire {blacks, homosexuals, women, damned furriners, democrats, Jews, etc}. By saying, “Does it even matter?”, it partially legitimizes the question in the first place, when there’s absolutely no legitimacy to it at all. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2393 "2012-06-22T16:56:44Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Better idea - tell us why it matters. What possibly policy would result from that? For one thing, it would eliminate discrimination lawsuits which are based primarily on gaps in test scores. It would also eliminate futile attempts to “close the gap.” ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2394 "2012-06-22T17:02:09Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Well, I imagine it has a good bit to say about affirmative action. How? ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2395 "2012-06-22T17:03:42Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > For one thing, it would eliminate discrimination lawsuits which are based primarily on gaps in test scores. > > It would also eliminate futile attempts to “close the gap.” Okay, let’s stipulate these for a moment. Is that all? Good. Glad that’s over. Unless we’re discussing such lawsuits, don’t bring it up again. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2396 "2012-06-22T17:03:59Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > If they are racist out of a need to feel superior, then it wouldn’t make much sense to believe that your race is second-best. Agreed? You’re talking like you expect racists to make sense… …which makes no sense. But then, you are a racist, so I guess it figures. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2397 "2012-06-22T17:04:30Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > If not, then what constitutes attacking NCLB directly? Just saying how unfair it potentially could be. I don’t know if you have gender-based affirmative action in the US, but it’s quite common here in Europe. It’s not necessary to claim women are more or less intelligent than men on average to disagree with this policy. > [@](#): > > If they are racist out of a need to feel superior, then it wouldn’t make much sense to believe that your race is second-best. Agreed? Nope. For many, they just draw comfort from being able to say their tribe is superior to another, especially when the uber tribe is a minority in their locale (so they’ve never had to deal with being discriminated against in favour of someone from the uber tribe). ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2398 "2012-06-22T17:04:57Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > According to NDD, a black man smarter than a white man is a genetic impossibility and any claims or evidence to the contrary are political correctness or affirmative action run amok. No, really. Read his posts. LOL. Not surprising that he’s delusional. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2399 "2012-06-22T17:11:32Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Well who do you think **ramira** was talking to in Post #1335 when he said “The genetic marker idea is your own assertion.” Do you agree he was talking to me? > > Also do agree that you cannot provide a yes or no answer to my question from post #1097? I’m not gonna play word games with you either and I’m not looking for post numbers. If you want me to see a question that you want me to answer or have an opinion on, quote it… don’t just give me a post number. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2400 "2012-06-22T17:12:05Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Just saying how unfair it potentially could be. What’s unfair about the government spending money to raise the performance of children in underachieving schools? > [@](#): > > Nope. For many, they just draw comfort from being able to say their tribe is superior to another, especially when the uber tribe is a minority in their locale (so they’ve never had to deal with being discriminated against in favour of someone from the uber tribe). Well do you have any evidence that this is the mindset of folks like NDD? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2401 "2012-06-22T17:14:14Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > I’m not gonna play word games with you either i.e. you are not going to let your position be scrutinized. You are the one who is playing games. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2402 "2012-06-22T17:15:15Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > The gap is pretty much universal in space and time. Except that it isn’t, and the gap is significantly lower between blacks in the upper class and whites in the upper class. And even if you were right, that still would not be proof of genetic involvement. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=119) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=121)