# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 125
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2483 "2012-06-25T01:10:30Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > You’re on an internet board. If you want people to shut up, don’t read the thread. > > I think exposing racists with their own speech is the best way to handle them. Give them enough rope to hang themselves. We have. They just keep tying nooses and laughing about it. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2484 "2012-06-25T01:48:59Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > A good study will look at all causes, even in something as relatively simple as lung cancer. So what? > [@](#): > > No, I could probably find better studies about lung cancer, but this thread is about racism, not lung cancer. Sure, but the easiest way to show the flaw in your reasoning is to apply it to other situations. Since you are unable to cite a study which eliminates all other possible causes such as cultural or economic influences and proves that smoking cigarettes cause lung cancer in humans, can I take it that you do not accept that smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer in humans? Of course not, because you have a double-standard. The fact of the matter is that there is no study which eliminates all other possible causes such as cultural or economic influences and proves that smoking cigarettes cause lung cancer in humans. Not one that you are aware of, and not one that exists. People know that smoking causes lung cancer in humans because it’s the only reasonable explanation for the evidence out there – among other things that smokers have significantly higher rates of lung cancer than non-smokers. Similarly, the only reasonable explanation for the near-universal (in time and space) achievement gap between blacks and whites is that much of the difference is due to genetics. > [@](#): > > When trying to correlate with genetics I would. Quit shifting the goal posts. Your position is that the census methodology is not a scientific way of determining race. If you are abandoning that position, please say so. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2485 "2012-06-25T11:43:54Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Quit shifting the goal posts. Your position is that the census methodology is not a scientific way of determining race. If you are abandoning that position, please say so. This has to be the funniest post in the thread. It just shows how idiotic brazil84 is. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2486 "2012-06-25T11:58:43Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > This has to be the funniest post in the thread. It just shows how idiotic brazil84 is. \*\*84 is magnificent in his great stupidity. \*\*Before I had thought it was only rhetoric in this area, but **84** is in fact so stupid. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2487 "2012-06-25T12:06:13Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > This has to be the funniest post in the thread. It just shows how idiotic brazil84 is. Yes, and I’m sure your observation has nothing to do with your own partisanship on the issue being discussed. :rolleyes: By the way, you never answered my question about **Waenara**. > [@Waenara](#): > > And of course they [Han Chinese, Ashkenazim, & ethnic French] are not “genetic groups” by my definition (or any rational definition). They may be an ethnicity, or a culture, or a traditional socio-economic group, but they are not a “race” or a “genetic group”. Agree or disagree? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2488 "2012-06-25T12:13:57Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > So what? This is very revealing, \*\*84 \*\*can not understand how this points to how wrong the approach of the racists is. > [@](#): > > Sure, but the easiest way to show the flaw in your reasoning is to apply it to other situations. More that **84** is not smart enough to in fact understand what he is being told and he prefers to create the strange and not pertinent examples he does. > [@](#): > > Since you are unable to cite a study which eliminates all other possible causes such as cultural or economic influences and proves that smoking cigarettes cause lung cancer in humans, can I take it that you do not accept that smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer in humans? Encore, he plays the same game even though he is told that this is not how the science works. > [@](#): > > People know that smoking causes lung cancer in humans because it’s the only reasonable explanation for the evidence out there – among other things that smokers have significantly higher rates of lung cancer than non-smokers. And encore of course in fact the science is much more than only a correlation, but he has no understanding of the actual science and its methodology so it becomes just stories to him. > [@](#): > > Similarly, the only reasonable explanation for the near-universal (in time and space) achievement gap between blacks and whites is that much of the difference is due to genetics. And so he makes his leap, in his pretend science. > [@](#): > > Quit shifting the goal posts. Your position is that the census methodology is not a scientific way of determining race. If you are abandoning that position, please say so. this is just also magnificent in its stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2489 "2012-06-25T12:18:56Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Quit shifting the goal posts. Cried Shifty Goals, head Goal Shifter for the Goal County Shifters, from high atop his Shift-a-Matic 3000, oblivious to the hilarious irony. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2490 "2012-06-25T12:43:19Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Yes, and I’m sure your observation has nothing to do with your own partisanship on the issue being discussed. :rolleyes: > > By the way, you never answered my question about **Waenara**. > > Agree or disagree? That had nothing to do with how I feel about the topic, your obstinate refusal to understand how science works is hilarious. And Waenara’s opinion is, I believe, incorrect… at least in respect to the Han. If I hadn’t read the links provided in this thread, I probably would have agreed with it however. I am no geneticist and base my opinion on the legitimate scientific cites I found here. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2491 "2012-06-25T12:52:26Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > That had nothing to do with how I feel about the topic, Actually it did. See, you criticized me for asking the same kinds of questions repeatedly. But given that different people answer my questions in different ways, it’s perfectly reasonable for me to ask the same (or a similar) question to a new person I am engaging with. > [@](#): > > your obstinate refusal to understand how science works is hilarious. Perhaps the mote is in your own eye? After all, it was perfectly reasonable for me to ask the same question multiple times of different people. And yet you criticized me for it. Perhaps the real problem is that your feelings about the underlying issue have biased your thinking. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2492 "2012-06-25T13:45:52Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > \*\*84 is magnificent in his great stupidity. > > \*\*Before I had thought it was only rhetoric in this area, but **84** is in fact so stupid. Or one of the more successful trolls in the history of the board. I love it how people continue to earnestly debate such spawn long after the obvious has become obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2493 "2012-06-25T13:53:55Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Or one of the more successful trolls in the history of the board. I love it how people continue to earnestly debate such spawn long after the obvious has become obvious. At this point, it’s not really about them but the vastly larger internet audience. It’s clear that certain Google searches end up linking to these threads, and it’s not a good idea to give even the slightest doubt the debate is concluded. That, and the more they’re engaged in this thread, the less they’re off doing some damned fool thing elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2494 "2012-06-25T15:23:19Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Sure, but the easiest way to show the flaw in your reasoning is to apply it to other situations. > > Since you are unable to cite a study which eliminates all other possible causes such as cultural or economic influences and proves that smoking cigarettes cause lung cancer in humans, can I take it that you do not accept that smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer in humans? > > Of course not, because you have a double-standard. You are lying, misrepresenting my statements and making things up. Unless you apologize and take back your unfounded accusations, I refuse to debate you any further. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2495 "2012-06-25T15:29:56Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Actually it did. See, you criticized me for asking the same kinds of questions repeatedly. But given that different people answer my questions in different ways, it’s perfectly reasonable for me to ask the same (or a similar) question to a new person I am engaging with. Sure it is… hopefully someone will answer one of them in a way you’ll understand it. > [@brazil84](#): > > Perhaps the mote is in your own eye? After all, it was perfectly reasonable for me to ask the same question multiple times of different people. And yet you criticized me for it. Perhaps the real problem is that your feelings about the underlying issue have biased your thinking. Actually it’s the facts that have biased my opinion. Like the fact that you’re dumber than a rock and probably twice as dense. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2496 "2012-06-25T15:31:00Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > You are lying, misrepresenting my statements and making things up. Unless you apologize and take back your unfounded accusations, I refuse to debate you any further. **Snerk!!** Well done. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2497 "2012-06-25T15:33:22Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > You are lying, misrepresenting my statements and making things up. Exactly how have I misrepresented your position? Either (1) you are aware of a study (or set of studies) which eliminates all other possible causes such as cultural or economic influences and proves that smoking cigarettes cause lung cancer in humans; or (2) you are not aware of such a study. If you are, then please cite it. If not, then by your own reasoning, you should not accept that smoking causes lung cancer in humans. Unless of course you have a double-standard. Which you obviously do. > [@](#): > > Unless you apologize and take back your unfounded accusations, I refuse to debate you any further. If you show me how I have done so, then I will gladly apologize. If you quote me where I supposedly misrepresented your position, I will provide quotes for support or apologize. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2498 "2012-06-25T15:35:43Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Sure it is… hopefully someone will answer one of them in a way you’ll understand it. One can only hope. > [@](#): > > Actually it’s the facts that have biased my opinion. Like the fact that you’re dumber than a rock and probably twice as dense. i.e. I disagree with your strongly held faith. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2499 "2012-06-25T15:44:23Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Exactly how have I misrepresented your position? Either (1) you are aware of a study (or set of studies) which eliminates all other possible causes such as cultural or economic influences and proves that smoking cigarettes cause lung cancer in humans; or (2) you are not aware of such a study. There’s not one such study, and there never will be. There are, though, a ton of **studies** that, together, show a preponderance of evidence for it. It’s probably a Ph. D thesis-level task to summarize them all. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2500 "2012-06-25T15:48:29Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > You are lying, misrepresenting my statements and making things up. Unless you apologize and take back your unfounded accusations, I refuse to debate you any further. SCENE \* A dimly lit bomb shelter. **brazil84** sits on a tattered quilt, quietly arranging the cups and saucers of a child’s tea set.\* BRAZIL84 At last, I have banned everyone who refused to follow my rules and tried to misrepresent my position. Now the \*real \*debate can begin! Would you like some tea, **brazil84**? BRAZIL84 Why, thank you, **brazil84**! Mmm, what delicious tea! BRAZIL84 You’re quite welcome, **brazil84**! Please, try a tea-cake! I made them myself! BRAZIL84 Oh, how delicious! BRAZIL84 Thank you! Did you know that tea produced by Orientals is of much higher quality than tea produced by Negroes? BRAZIL84 Why, I did not! That certainly sounds interesting, and I would enjoy hearing how you came to that conclusion! I’m sure your argument will be well-supported and logically sound! BRAZIL84 Why, thank you! First, I will ask: do you agree that some human characteristics are determined by genes? BRAZIL84 Yes, I would! BRAZIL84 Excellent! We’re off to the races, then! Please, have some more tea! … ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2501 "2012-06-25T15:48:46Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > If you are, then please cite it. If not, then by your own reasoning, you should not accept that smoking causes lung cancer in humans. Unless of course you have a double-standard. Which you obviously do. No, **you** cite where I believe smoking is 100% known to cause lung cancer. **You** made the accusation, **you** back it up. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2502 "2012-06-25T16:04:45Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > No, **you** cite where I believe smoking is 100% known to cause lung cancer. I’m not sure what you mean by “100% known” (that’s your phrase not mine), but I have reasonably concluded that you believe that smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer in humans: > [@brazil84](#): > > Will you not accept that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer until you see a study which eliminated all possible other causes such as cultural or economic influences? > [@kidchameleon](#): > > Yup, and as other posters have noted, they are You can apologize to me any time you like. Oh, and since you raised the issue, let me ask you this: Do you accept that to a reasonable degree of certainty (not 100% but a very high percentage), smoking cigarettes is known to cause lung cancer in humans? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=124) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=126)