# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 128
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2543 "2012-06-26T14:40:46Z")
OK 84, we already know that you are dumber than dog shit, to there’s no need to continue your efforts in proving it. The big questiong is were you born a racist, or did you unwittingly become a racist? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2544 "2012-06-26T14:41:35Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > There’s also a difference between “a part” and “a **substantial** part”… But since he misrepresented his own argument, he put himself on ignore and can’t know that. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2545 "2012-06-26T14:58:52Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > OK 84, we already know that you are dumber than dog shit, to there’s no need to continue your efforts in proving it. The big questiong is were you born a racist, or did you **unwittingly** become a racist? **Bolding is mine** I don’t think he’s ever done anything **wittingly**. He hasn’t the wit for it. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2546 "2012-06-26T15:10:31Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > OK 84, we already know that you are dumber than dog shit, to there’s no need to continue your efforts in proving it. i.e. my arguments disturb you emotionally but you have no actual substantive response. > [@](#): > > The big questiong is were you born a racist, or did you unwittingly become a racist? I learned how to distinguish between wishes and reality. I learned the offsensiveness of a fact doesn’t make it any less true. So no, when I was younger I believed the same pretty lies which are so commonly accepted (or at least given lip service) in the West. ETA: Now I have a question for you: Is there any belief which is popularly accepted among people in your social milieu, which you reject? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2547 "2012-06-26T15:10:44Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Of course it has been shown here by many citations that there is no coherent ‘black race’ by genetic evidences. I have demonstrated by citations that race can be determined by DNA testing, and indeed that a DNA test can determine that of sixteen great grand parents one may have one Negro grand parent, and seven Caucasian parents. That seems to be the case with Dr. James Watson, who won the Nobel Prize for his work on DNA, and who was forced to step down as chancellor of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on Long Island for telling the truth about racial differences. [http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/10/watsons-black-dna-ultimate-irony/](http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/10/watsons-black-dna-ultimate-irony/) According to liberal dogma race does not matter until it is time to give Negroes special preferences in hiring and university admissions. If we are to achieve inclusion and diversity these preferences are necessary because Negroes tend to perform poorly on all the mental aptitude tests however they are designed. They also tend to perform less well in the class room, and on any job requiring superior intelligence. These factual assertions of mine can easily be documented using credible sources. > **[Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171)** > > The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here. > **[SAT and ACT Scores by Race/Ethnicity](http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act-scores-by-race-ethnicity.htm)** > > SAT and ACT Scores broken down by Race/Ethnicity. > **[2009455.pdf](https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/studies/2009455.pdf)** > > 1003.54 KB > **[Schools Slow in Closing Gaps Between Races (Published 2006)](https://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/education/20gap.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ei=5070&en=e1b56aad3e0f9451&ex=1165035600)** > > As Congress prepares to consider renewing the No Child Left Behind law next year, studies show that disparities in test scores continue. According to liberal dogma the persistent gap between the non race of Negroes and the non race of Caucasians is due to discrimination that happened two or more generations ago. In other words according to liberal dogma it is not bad genes that causes so many blacks - excuse me, I mean non blacks - to be stupid; it is white racism. It is also our fault that the non race of Negroes has shamefully high rates of crime and illegitimacy. According to liberal dogma non Negroes should not be ashamed of their high rates of crime and illegitimacy, and their low test scores; non whites should be ashamed. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2548 "2012-06-26T15:14:40Z")
Funny how it’s always the non-liberals who are experts on liberal dogma. I mean, I hadn’t heard of most of this stuff and I sure haven’t been following it. Man, the Liberal Pope is gonna excommunicate me for sure… ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2549 "2012-06-26T15:18:58Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I love how **NDD** sheepishly whistled some vague tune while slinking away. > > Even the biggest racist this side of the Internet doesn’t want be associated with **b84.** No such luck. The NDD is like a bad fart that keeps hanging around, stinking up the joint. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2550 "2012-06-26T15:20:08Z")
And as usual genetics are not the reason for those reports, and as usual, there are no easy pickings for the racists so they have to reduce themselves to depend on misinterpretations of good research. Racists ignore that other solutions are needed, but not the ones based on assigned blame on your genes. > **[2009455.pdf](https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/studies/2009455.pdf)** > > 1003.54 KB > [@](#): > > Cautions in interpreting the data > All results given here are in terms of average scores, which reflect a wide range of student performance. **Many Black students score above the average for White students and many White students score below the average for Black students.** ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2551 "2012-06-26T15:28:50Z")
Well, none of that “evidence” stuff matters anyway. I gotta hand it to NDD for one of the more creative, if morally, ethically, and scientifically bankrupt, expressions of the “one-drop rule”. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2552 "2012-06-26T15:29:14Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > No such luck. The NDD is like a bad fart that keeps hanging around, stinking up the joint. No kidding. He’s like a Tron Lightcycle, pulling a ribbon of fart behind him. We keep routing him into corners, but somehow we keep crashing into his stink ribbon. The only way out is to not play the game. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2553 "2012-06-26T15:31:53Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > My point is that IQ tests measure one’s ability to learn what matters in an urban civilization. You are not defining IQ the same way that the folks who did the IQ studies are defining IQ. > [@Muffin](#): > > By providing a forum for racism, one promotes racism. Yeah, better to stick your fingers in your ears and say “lalalalala” I don’t see anyone becoming more racist as a result of this thread after thousands of posts. I for one have learned a bit more about race and why I was thinking of it incorrectly. I learned a bit about evolution and the fatal flaws in the racist argument. I’ve also learned that the denials of racial differences by liberals often goes a step or two too far. > [@gamerunknown](#): > > In which respect? Hip hop does encompass more than just rap, with MCing covering both rap music and beatboxing and hip hop music also expanding to cover turntablism. > > If you’re dismissing the genre as a whole, I think you’re being too hasty. Dead Prez, Brand Nubian, OFWGKTA, Elro and Juice News are highly creative rap artists in my opinion. Mainstream artistic expression was more limited in the era soul was popular in and I think it’s evidenced in the fact that the Isley brothers produced cruft towards the end of their career. Maybe I’m overgeneralizing but I remember a time when blacks referred to each other as “brother” and “sister” and not niggah and bitches and ho’s. This is the toxic stuff I think does a disservice to the black community. I can even understand “fuck the police” style rap that portray the oppressive relationship between LAPD and the black community but when it about gloriying criminality and violence towards women, I think its people making money by promoting the suffering of others. They’re no better than wal street bankers who decided their bonus was more important than our economy. > [@](#): > > He was poaching the concept from Leviticus. Or… well, [anywhere](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule). If nobody had thought of it before Jesus, there would not be a literate society to preach it to. OK, but can we agree that Jesus preceded Rawls? > [@](#): > > Heh. In the time of the Free Soil Party, free labour was actually held as the antithesis to slavery. People were free to work for the product of their own labour, without a tithe to the owners of the land. Perhaps that was what you were decrying though, given that free labour was perceived as inimical to industrialism. Well, when you are talking about making your prisoners work for free and your prisoners are disproportionately black, I think it raises some dark spectres from our past. > [@brazil84](#): > > Different people define “racism” differently. > > I believe that blacks are inherently less smart than whites. If that falls within your definition of racism, then so be it. Yeah, I think most people would put that in the category of racist until the “inherently” part is proven to a far greater degree of certitude tahn we have seen here. > [@](#): > > Next, are you aware that there are people out there (with political power) who obsess over disparate racial outcomes and insist that it must be due to discrimination? You don’t think racism has anything to do with any of that? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2554 "2012-06-26T15:42:20Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > According to liberal dogma the persistent gap between the non race of Negroes and the non race of Caucasians is due to discrimination that happened two or more generations ago. > > In other words according to liberal dogma it is not bad genes that causes so many blacks - excuse me, I mean non blacks - to be stupid; it is white racism. It is also our fault that the non race of Negroes has shamefully high rates of crime and illegitimacy. According to liberal dogma non Negroes should not be ashamed of their high rates of crime and illegitimacy, and their low test scores; non whites should be ashamed. Boy you’re just wrong on everything. None of this is liberal dogma- and most liberals disagree with most of your assumptions here. All you’ve shown is that an achievement gap exists. Your definition and use of race is nonscientific and inconsistent. You have no genetic evidence for superior or inferior intelligence for any populations (or your races). You’ve pretty much made up your definition of IQ (that it’s important for urban civilizations, or whatever- no scientist or IQ professional uses this definition or anything like it). And you’re wrong about what you assume your opponents believe. Just a big ol’ pile of wrongness. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2555 "2012-06-26T15:49:04Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Well, none of that “evidence” stuff matters anyway. > > I gotta hand it to NDD for one of the more creative, if morally, ethically, and scientifically bankrupt, expressions of the “one-drop rule”. The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of “reasoning” has the following pattern: Person A has position X. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X). Person B attacks position Y. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed. This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person. [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html) * * * I did not say that Dr. James Watson is a Negro because one of his great grand parents was, while the other seven were Caucasians. What I said is that his ancestry can be verified by DNA testing, disproving the liberal dogma that “race is only a social construct.” Let me explain what I believe. Race is an important and biologically valid way of classifying human beings. The different races differ significantly in average ability levels and behavior. These differences are primarily determined by genetic differences. What I do believe can be verified by documented facts and logical thinking. It can only be countered by assertions that are not true, and by logical fallacies. This should be obvious to any fair minded person reading the comments of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2556 "2012-06-26T15:58:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > All you’ve shown is that an achievement gap exists. Whose fault is the achievement gap? If you believe that it is the fault of whites you embody my depiction of liberal dogmas. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2557 "2012-06-26T15:59:26Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Let me explain what I believe. Race is an important and biologically valid way of classifying human beings. Biologists and taxonomists do not see it as valid. And that is a fact. > **[Biological taxonomy and 'race'](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=362527)** > > Inspired by this thread, I really am curious about this. If I recall, our taxonomy goes something like this: Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: \*Chordata \* Class: \*Mammalia \* Order: \*Primates \* Family: \*Hominidae \* Genus: \*Homo \* Species: Sapiens In... And scientists base that on many other facts that tell us that the race definitions from the past are not good to use in biology. BTW, your post reporting on “Liberal Dogmas” was indeed so full of straw that one of the little pigs is suing. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2558 "2012-06-26T15:59:51Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I did not say that Dr. James Watson is a Negro because one of his great grand parents was, while the other seven were Caucasians. What I said is that his ancestry can be verified by DNA testing, disproving the liberal dogma that “race is only a social construct.” Ancestry does not equal race. No one has denied that population of ancestors can be determined through DNA testing. And one can use the “social construct” of race to assign the population of various ancestors. But the “races” are not any sort of scientific division- because they include populations that are closer to those _outside_ the race than inside the race. Just like “four legged creatures” is not a valid taxonomic category- because it includes creatures that are closer to creatures outside the category than inside the category- for example, lizards and dogs would be inside the category, but whales and humans would not (and obviously dogs are closer to whales and humans than to lizards). > [@](#): > > Race is an important and biologically valid way of classifying human beings. The different races differ significantly in average ability levels and behavior. These differences are primarily determined by genetic differences. The first sentence is false, as I just showed. The second sentence has no genetic evidence whatsoever to support it- only the existence of an achievement gap (a gap that at various times in the past would have indicated the inferiority of Asians, or the Irish, or Italians, etc). > [@](#): > > What I do believe can be verified by documented facts and logical thinking. It can only be countered by assertions that are not true, and by logical fallacies. This should be obvious to any fair minded person reading the comments of this thread. It is countered because you have no evidence. You’re just convinced that you are correct. I think it’s because you can’t bear the thought that you have all this hatred and disdain for black people for an _irrational_ reason- so you’ve convinced yourself you have a rational reason for it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2559 "2012-06-26T16:00:56Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Whose fault is the achievement gap? If you believe that it is the fault of whites you embody my depiction of liberal dogmas. I don’t believe that. Wrong again. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2560 "2012-06-26T16:06:11Z")
This isn’t a debate, it’s the Pit, you fucking idiot. My last post didn’t knock down shit. It was a simple insult. I guess I need to dumb down even my insults to get through to the nougat core you call a brain. You’ve shown you’re not interested in an actual debate, actual evidence, actual logic, or anything that can remotely contradict your, quite frankly, borderline insane and certainly irrational rantings and ravings. You’ve repeatedly neglected to address several of my points and evidence (and those of several other posters) in the past while simply repeating your own points in a myriad of forms. I’m completely uninterested in what you have to say anymore, except for an apology for all the time you’ve wasted. I’m mainly persisting for two reasons. One, in the remote possibility that anybody who comes across this thread on Google thinks you have even a remotely good point. And two, in the vain hope that humanity isn’t largely represented by sick fucks like yourself. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2561 "2012-06-26T16:06:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t believe that. Wrong again. Then what do you believe? Why does the race gap persist? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2562 "2012-06-26T16:08:55Z")
I’ll put it another way- if the “Three Races” were a valid genetic (and Most Recent Common Ancestor) category, then this is what DNA analysis would show: At some point in the past, there were two or three Great Splits among humanity- perhaps ancient people split into Race 1 and Race 2, and then part of Race 2 split off into Race 3 (I won’t include the minor splittings that your “other” category like native Australians would entail, but you get the picture). And that was it- the three races might have further split and re-coalesced in various forms, but they never re-coalesced with populations from the other races. But the DNA doesn’t show this at all- it shows that there were indeed splits at various times, but there was tons and tons of migrations both out of and back into pretty much all the major landmasses of the Earth. Populations left Africa- some went to Asia and Europe, some came back to Africa. Some of the Asians then went into Europe too- and some went back to Africa. And some of the Africans left again. And all these populations mixed pretty extensively at their “borders”- so that the DNA on each side of these “borders” are relatively close. So Iberians were pretty close to NW Africans. NW Africans were pretty close to Sahelians. Sahelians were pretty close to West Africans. And so on and so on. And because people have been living in Africa for far longer than the rest of the world, Africa has by far the most genetic diversity. And many of these African populations just happen to be more closely related to the populations that left Africa then some other far flung populations that remained. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=127) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=129)