# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/241 "2012-05-31T23:20:28Z")
[quote=“New\_Deal\_Democrat, post:229, topic:623489”] I can read and I can think. (Snip) Yeah, that’s what I thought. I have taken and passed college-level stats, have a Master’s degree in Psych, have taken and passed 2 semesters of psych testing, and taught it. I guess you’d have to take my word for that. You are apparently neither educated, nor informed. You do have, of course, a right to your opinion. I notice that most of the White Supremicists are, by any objective standards you would care to name, underachievers. This is, of course, anecdotal, and does not prove that they cling to simplistic beliefs about their own innate superiority to other races, say, blacks, as a way of compensating for their own lack of ability or achievement. Sociology could help you understand, possibly, why you cling to these beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/242 "2012-05-31T23:26:35Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > 1. That these “truths” exist. > 2. That they are “obvious”. > 3. That there is in fact one racial group which is the most “superior” in the world. > 4. That Jews comprise this “superior” group. (No offense intended to Jews, of course.) > > You are a fucking retard who will never realize what a waste you have made of the little good sense with which you have been endowed. You are a nasty piece of work. :mad: Before the Second World War it was widely recognized that racial differences existed and that they were important. Even Bertrand Russell wrote, “In extreme cases there can be little doubt of the superiority of one race to another[…] It seems on the whole fair to regard Negroes as on the average inferior to white men, although for work in the tropics they are indispensable, so that their extermination (apart from the question of humanity) would be highly undesirable.[15].” After the Second World War he wrote, “It is sometimes maintained that racial mixture is biologically undesirable. There is no evidence whatever for this view. Nor is there, apparently, any reason to think that Negroes are congenitally less intelligent than white people, but as to that it will be difficult to judge until they have equal scope and equally good social conditions.” > **[Political views of Bertrand Russell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell's_views_on_society)** > > Aspects of philosopher, mathematician and social activist Bertrand Russell's views on society changed over nearly 80 years of prolific writing, beginning with his early work in 1896, until his death in February 1970. > Political and social activism occupied much of Russell's time for most of his long life, which makes his prodigious and seminal writing on a wide range of technical and non-technical subjects all the more remarkable. > Russell remained politically active to the end of his life, wr... Blacks do not have “equally good social conditions,” but that can be attributed to the culture they create for themselves. They do have equal rights. It is interesting that in his second statement Russell is leaving open the possibility that “Negroes are congenitally less intelligent than white people.” He is receptive to evidence. Many liberals are not and have made a dogma of congenital racial equality. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/243 "2012-05-31T23:31:06Z")
[quote=“Truman\_Burbank, post:241, topic:623489”] > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I can read and I can think. (Snip) > > Yeah, that’s what I thought. I have taken and passed college-level stats, have a Master’s degree in Psych, have taken and passed 2 semesters of psych testing, and taught it. I guess you’d have to take my word for that. > You are apparently neither educated, nor informed. You do have, of course, a right to your opinion. I notice that most of the White Supremicists are, by any objective standards you would care to name, underachievers. This is, of course, anecdotal, and does not prove that they cling to simplistic beliefs about their own innate superiority to other races, say, blacks, as a way of compensating for their own lack of ability or achievement. > Sociology could help you understand, possibly, why you cling to these beliefs. Because you cannot refute my arguments you defame me as an individual. * * * Translated from Latin to English, “Ad Hominem” means “against the man” or “against the person.” An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of “argument” has the following form: Person A makes claim X. Person B makes an attack on person A. Therefore A’s claim is false. The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made). [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/244 "2012-05-31T23:32:10Z")
Well, I, for one, have been enlightened. I had no idea Bertrand Russell was a racist douchebag too. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/245 "2012-05-31T23:40:52Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You are a nasty piece of work. :mad: Aw, there there. Just get out your _Einsatzgruppen_ action figures (pull their strings - “We were only following orders! Leave no witnesses! The Ukrainians did it!”) and soon you’ll forget all about those big old meanies on the SDMB. > [@](#): > > Before the Second World War it was widely recognized that racial differences existed and that they were important. This conflation of public ignorance with “truths” does nothing of course to establish the validity of said “truths”. But your formulation is so hopelessly imprecise that it doesn’t matter anyway. Moving on… > [@](#): > > Even Bertrand Russell wrote, “In extreme cases there can be little doubt of the superiority of one race to another[…] It seems on the whole fair to regard Negroes as on the average inferior to white men, although for work in the tropics they are indispensable, so that their extermination (apart from the question of humanity) would be highly undesirable.[15].” > > After the Second World War he wrote, “It is sometimes maintained that racial mixture is biologically undesirable. There is no evidence whatever for this view. Nor is there, apparently, any reason to think that Negroes are congenitally less intelligent than white people, but as to that it will be difficult to judge until they have equal scope and equally good social conditions.” > [Political views of Bertrand Russell - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell's_views_on_society) Well, the assertions of an intellectual in a field for which he was not even trained, let alone acknowledged as an expert, are not quite what most of us would consider compelling scientific evidence. Anyway… > [@](#): > > Blacks do not have “equally good social conditions,” but **that can be attributed to the culture they create for themselves**. They do have equal rights. It is interesting that in his second statement Russell is leaving open the possibility that “Negroes are congenitally less intelligent than white people.” He is receptive to evidence. Many liberals are not and have made a dogma of congenital racial equality. Ah, so you agree - it _is_ down to culture, not genetics. Perhaps there’s hope for you yet. Nope, you’re still a fucking retard. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/246 "2012-05-31T23:44:13Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Well, I, for one, have been enlightened. I had no idea Bertrand Russell was a racist douchebag too. Well, to be fair, at least Russell became less of a racist douchebag over time, unlike our resident fucking retard: (from fucking retard’s Wiki link) _“As with his views on religion, which developed considerably throughout his long life, Russell’s views on the matter of race did not remain fixed.”_ ---
**Author:** ![florez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@florez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/florez)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/247 "2012-05-31T23:46:55Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Blacks are stupid because some nerdy white guy doesn’t like rap music? > > Makes about as much sense as everything else, I suppose. Or more like blacks are stupid because NDD once fell deeply in love with a beautiful black woman who did not return his affections, thus setting into motion the mind of the demented little bastard we see before us. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/248 "2012-05-31T23:51:42Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Sir, you wouldn’t recognize “rational debate” if it stripped naked, painted “rational debate” on its chest in dayglo purple, and danced on top of your piano singing “rational debate is here again!” +eightzillion May I have permission to quote you in my sig? (When I remember to have a sig, anyway?) ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/249 "2012-05-31T23:53:41Z")
I did not defame you. I asked you your background regarding the sciences. There are many areas about which I am woefully ignorant. It is good to have a general sense of where your strengths and weaknesses lie, and a realistic sense of the limits of your knowledge. You may have many strengths. The academic background to evaluate the merits of this argument do not appear to be among those strengths. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/250 "2012-05-31T23:57:11Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Ah, so you agree - it _is_ down to culture, not genetics. Perhaps there’s hope for you yet. > > Nope, you’re still a fucking retard. Your childish insults reveal what you are, not what I am. I think it is probably the case that an inferior culture is the result of inferior genes. At any rate I do not see how whites are responsible for the social decadence of the black ghetto. In terms of crime and illegitimacy things have gotten worse there since the civil rights legislation was signed. This is what was predicted by those who opposed the legislation. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/251 "2012-06-01T00:05:32Z")
Jews are also a distinct racial group? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/252 "2012-06-01T00:08:02Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Jews are also a distinct racial group? Well, there’s a _reason_ they all have horns, right? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/253 "2012-06-01T00:19:51Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > I did not defame you. I asked you your background regarding the sciences. There are many areas about which I am woefully ignorant. It is good to have a general sense of where your strengths and weaknesses lie, and a realistic sense of the limits of your knowledge. You may have many strengths. The academic background to evaluate the merits of this argument do not appear to be among those strengths. This is a test of scientific literacy. I missed two out of twenty-six. See how you do. > **[Breaking News - Headlines & Top Stories | The Star](https://www.thestar.com/)** > > thestar.com is one of Canada's largest online news sites and 100% Canadian-owned. Live news, investigations, politics, sports and the heartbeat of Toronto, Canada's largest city. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/254 "2012-06-01T00:21:23Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Jews are also a distinct racial group? The Ashkenazim are. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/255 "2012-06-01T00:32:32Z")
That’s real good. There are no questions about psychological testing or statistics on that quiz, so it is irrelevant, but still real good. Whatever your various expertises is (expertii?), you may be real knowledgeable. In others, you have the appearance of being quite ignorant. The current debate would appear to be one of the latter areas. If kneejerk observations about contemporary culture seem to you to add a relevent dimension to this debate, that’s an opinion, not evidence. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/256 "2012-06-01T00:44:19Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > This is a test of scientific literacy. I missed two out of twenty-six. See how you do. > > [Breaking News - Headlines & Top Stories | The Star](http://www.thestar.com/article/679050) Congratulations. You have the scientific knowledge of a high school senior. Maybe even first year science student in college. You know _bupkis_ about science when it involves genetics. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/257 "2012-06-01T00:45:35Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > That’s real good. There are no questions about psychological testing or statistics on that quiz, so it is irrelevant, but still real good. Whatever your various expertises is (expertii?), you may be real knowledgeable. > In others, you have the appearance of being quite ignorant. The current debate would appear to be one of the latter areas. If kneejerk observations about contemporary culture seem to you to add a relevent dimension to this debate, that’s an opinion, not evidence. After you take the test, and tell me your score, tell me what I am ignorant of. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > This is a test of scientific literacy. I missed two out of twenty-six. See how you do. > > [Breaking News - Headlines & Top Stories | The Star](http://www.thestar.com/article/679050) There are far worse aspects of the inner city black culture than rap music. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/258 "2012-06-01T00:57:21Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > This is a test of scientific literacy. I missed two out of twenty-six. See how you do. > > [Breaking News - Headlines & Top Stories | The Star](http://www.thestar.com/article/679050) Pssh. I got all 26 right, and two more you were too stupid to even see! ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/259 "2012-06-01T01:00:58Z")
If I take the test, and miss all of the questions about astronomy, it is still irrelevant. C’mon, man, I’m using small words here. Using this quiz to try to justify your beliefs is beyond stupid. It’s desperate. And I **already told you** what you appear to be ignorant about, and you haven’t been able to counter it. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/260 "2012-06-01T01:15:04Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > If I take the test, and miss all of the questions about astronomy, it is still irrelevant. C’mon, man, I’m using small words here. Using this quiz to try to justify your beliefs is beyond stupid. It’s desperate. > And I **already told you** what you appear to be ignorant about, and you haven’t been able to counter it. Well then tell me again. I may be ignorant of evidence that blacks behave and perform as well as whites. If you know something I don’t know, don’t keep it a secret. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=14)