# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 130
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2583 "2012-06-26T17:08:54Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Just doesn’t give up. Liberals are so desperate for any evidence that the races are biologically equivalent that they will emphasize anything that seems to give evidence of intrinsic equality, while ignoring the overwhelming amount of evidence that points in the opposite direction. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2584 "2012-06-26T17:11:53Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Here the Oxford Dictionary definition of : Racism > > racism > > Pronunciation: /ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/ > > noun > [mass noun] > the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races: theories of racism I have never said that crime, stupidity, and illegitimacy are specific to any one race. Suggesting that I have is an illustration of the straw man fallacy, that I have already described. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2585 "2012-06-26T17:12:51Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Liberals are desperate for any evidence that the races are biologically equivalent that they will emphasize anything that seems to give evidence of intrinsic equality, while ignoring the overwhelming amount of evidence that points in the opposite direction. You have zero evidence. Every point you’ve brought up in this thread has either been to show the existence of an achievement gap (which we don’t deny) or just failed. Occasionally you’ve let flashes of the “real” NDD shine through- like calling blacks “savages” who spread their “savagery” throughout the world. Where did the hate come from? What happened to you, or someone close to you? Were you or someone close to you attacked? Your own experiences are at the heart of your opinions- obviously not the facts (which show nothing but the achievement gap). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2586 "2012-06-26T17:13:53Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have never said that crime, stupidity, and illegitimacy are specific to any one race. Suggesting that I have is an illustration of the straw man fallacy, that I have already described. He didn’t say you did. But you have said that one race is inferior, and others superior. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2587 "2012-06-26T17:14:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You have zero evidence. Every point you’ve brought up in this thread has either been to show the existence of an achievement gap (which we don’t deny) or just failed. Once again I ask: why does the achievement gap persist? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2588 "2012-06-26T17:18:10Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > He didn’t say you did. But you have said that one race is inferior, and others superior. I do not run from the description of “racist” but I want to make it clear what I do believe. I am neither an Ashkenazi Jew nor an Oriental, but I believe that the Ashkenazi and Oriental sub races are superior to what I am racially, which is a Nordic Gentile. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2589 "2012-06-26T17:20:53Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Once again I ask: why does the achievement gap persist? I answered this twice: [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15209024&postcount=2564) and [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15209067&postcount=2568). Relevant portions: > [@](#): > > Serious, quality scientific testing has only been performed for the last few decades- not nearly enough time to even entertain your drastic notions. The “race gap” has been shrinking by many measures, though not all. By a few, it’s completely gone (or even reversed, for groups like Nigerian immigrants). > [@](#): > > …here’s a little more- there’s only good data for one country with lots of “black” people (the USA). There’s no good data for the vast majority of African and Caribbean countries, and I’m not aware of any good data for countries like Brazil that have lots of “black” people. Also- if your explanation was the correct one, then it would predict that those (among relatively mixed populations like African Americans) with more “African” ancestry would have lower scores (and higher crime). But there’s no correlation with this at all. When there’s no correlation (within this larger group) between crime/test scores and ancestry, it makes it hard to believe that there’s something intrinsic to ancestry that causes the gap. And I’ll quote myself again because I think it’s extremely relevant: > [@](#): > > I believe that because of personal experience, you have a lot of hatred and disdain for black people. You have convinced yourself that you have a rational reason for it- as most people who have hatred and disdain for another race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. do. But you don’t. 100 years ago, some people hated and disdained the Irish and Italian immigrants, and they convinced themselves they had rational reasons for it. But they didn’t, and neither do you. > > By the way- the reason I believe this really isn’t because of your stubbornness in clinging to a lack of data and poor arguments. It’s because of the times you’ve fallen out of your “rational” seeming guise, and said things like calling Africans “savages”. I think it was during those posts that you were being the most honest. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2590 "2012-06-26T17:27:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Occasionally you’ve let flashes of the “real” NDD shine through- like calling blacks “savages” who spread their “savagery” throughout the world. Where did the hate come from? What happened to you, or someone close to you? Were you or someone close to you attacked? Your own experiences are at the heart of your opinions- obviously not the facts (which show nothing but the achievement gap). High rates of black crime do indeed shape the way I feel about the Negro race. This is true for most people who have had much experience with Negroes. For example, this is what Jesse Jackson has said: There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved… After all we have been through. Just to think we can’t walk down our own streets, how humiliating. Remarks at a meeting of Operation PUSH in Chicago (27 November 1993). Quoted in “Crime: New Frontier - Jesse Jackson Calls It Top Civil-Rights Issue” by Mary A. Johnson, 29 November 1993, Chicago Sun-Times (ellipsis in original). Partially quoted in US News & World Report (10 March 1996) According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, when it comes to murder rates, “In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites.” [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) I think that is appalling. I think whites have the right to be angry about it. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2591 "2012-06-26T17:28:32Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have never said that crime, stupidity, and illegitimacy are specific to any one race. Suggesting that I have is an illustration of the straw man fallacy, that I have already described. I Quoted the definition of: racism Nothing more, nothing less. If you don’t like the definition, take it up with the Oxford Dictionary: [Here](http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism) ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2592 "2012-06-26T17:31:40Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > I Quoted the definition of: racism > > Nothing more, nothing less. What was your point in doing so? ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2593 "2012-06-26T17:32:41Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, when it comes to murder rates, “In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites.” > [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) The header of your cite writes:\*\* Homicide Trends in the U.S.\*\* In Ireland 99% of the homicides are commited by WHITE people. So your argument is nil-and-void. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2594 "2012-06-26T17:34:09Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > I Quoted the definition of: racism > > Nothing more, nothing less. > > If you don’t like the definition, take it up with the Oxford Dictionary: [Here](http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism) I see nothing wrong with the definition at all. I also think the fear of being called a racist has interfered with the dialogue on race liberals claim to be in favor of. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2595 "2012-06-26T17:34:25Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > High rates of black crime do indeed shape the way I feel about the Negro race. This is true for most people who have had much experience with Negroes. > \ > > I think that is appalling. I think whites have the right to be angry about it. Please tell us more about your personal experience with “Negroes”. What was the most profound experience you’ve had? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2596 "2012-06-26T17:38:41Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Liberals are so desperate for any evidence that the races are biologically equivalent that they will emphasize anything that seems to give evidence of intrinsic equality, while ignoring the overwhelming amount of evidence that points in the opposite direction. “Liberals”? You’re really stretching here. And you just claimed you didn’t go in for personal insults. Only “[facts and logical reasoning](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15209019&postcount=2563)”, eh? Shame you contradicted yourself within minutes. But not surprising, given the evidence of this very thread. It’s not about ignoring “overwhelming amount of evidence”. There’s NO GENETIC evidence. If you want to posit a genetic basis for a difference, you have to show there’s even a correlation genetically. I know you’ve been told this multiple times and even given a definition of what constitutes genetic evidence. It’s hardly our failure if you don’t like that definition and can’t provide any evidence that fits it. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2597 "2012-06-26T17:40:21Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > What was your point in doing so? You are not able to follow anything I can come up with as an explanation anyhow… so why should I waste my time? I already pointed out, that there is no point in arguing with you - since you believe you are right. Conclusion: It doesn’t matter what brilliant argument and/or fact I can come up. So, why waste my time. Simply said: You are a ignorant-moronic–idiotic-racist retard Do you need me to be more clear? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2598 "2012-06-26T17:43:08Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > The header of your cite writes:\*\* Homicide Trends in the U.S.\*\* > > In Ireland 99% of the homicides are commited by WHITE people. So your argument is nil-and-void. I document my factual assertions. You have not documented that. According to Irish Crime Statistic the murder rate in Ireland per 100,000 inhabitants is .96. According to Crime in the United States 2010 the corresponding rate in the United States is 4.8. > **[List of countries by intentional homicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)** > > The list of countries by homicide rate is derived from United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data, and is expressed in number of deaths per 100,000 population per year. For example, a homicide rate of 30 out of 100,000 is presented in the table as "30", and corresponds to 0.03% of the population dying by homicide. The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary. Only UNODC-vetted data is used in the main table to maintain consistency. In some cases, i Homicide rates ... According to the CIA World Factbook, the black population in Ireland is 1.1 percent. > **[Ireland Demographics Profile](https://www.indexmundi.com/ireland/demographics_profile.html)** I am virtually certain that in Ireland blacks have a much higher crime rate than whites, but I will change my opinion if you can quote credible statistics that demonstrate otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2599 "2012-06-26T17:47:39Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > You are not able to follow anything I can come up with as an explanation anyhow… Can you show me an example of that? TIA > [@](#): > > I already pointed out, that there is no point in arguing with you - since you believe you are right. Do you believe you are right? > [@](#): > > Do you need me to be more clear? Not really, since I have no interest in engaging with people who hide behind ambiguous statements. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2600 "2012-06-26T17:48:21Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I am unaware of any credible statistics that indicate that China had a high murder rate one hundred years ago. It is more honest to write that you know nothing of the subject. It is very funny to talk about crime statistics before the concept existed. > [@](#): > > The quality of Chinese civilization for over three thousand years testifies to the high native intelligence of that nation. Except its stagnation and the decline into savage warfare between the competing barons of course. The Warlord era and the degeneracy of the opium period, why they must be proofs of Chinese inferiority. And the fact that Han did not rule China from the Qing, it is again the obvious genetical proof of Han inferiority. It is evident, I know of no facts at all that are genetic that contradict this hypothesis that I have just created. > [@](#): > > Where are the great civilizations created by Negroes? It is well noted that you return to your utilisation of the word Negroes which you sadly tried to justify to refer to Bantu, except we saw it had no sense in it. Now we can take it as the expression simple of your racism. > [@](#): > > Where is there any evidence that Negroes can create thriving societies without white tutelage? Yes, it has been presented many times here, you disgusting relic of backward and primitive tribalistic thinking. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I admit that Nigerian immigrants are an interesting exception to the rule. Ah, and he finally he is forced to address but he asserts. > [@](#): > > However, they are the exception. Except the low crime of the Senegal? Morocco and Egypt that both have very large “negroe” poplations and should by your primitive logic be high crime? Yes, we keep seeing him avoid the data points that do not serve his primitive and archaic argument. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2601 "2012-06-26T17:52:47Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > There’s NO GENETIC evidence. If you want to posit a genetic basis for a difference, you have to show there’s even a correlation genetically. Burden of Proof is a fallacy in which the burden of proof is placed on the wrong side. Another version occurs when a lack of evidence for side A is taken to be evidence for side B in cases in which the burden of proof actually rests on side B. A common name for this is an Appeal to Ignorance. This sort of reasoning typically has the following form: Claim X is presented by side A and the burden of proof actually rests on side B. Side B claims that X is false because there is no proof for X. [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html) * * * I have already demonstrated that race is a legitimate and meaningful way of classifying human beings that can be easily determined by DNA tests, that the races differ significantly in average intelligence, and crime, and that these differences are durable. In other words, the differences _behave_ as though they are genetic. The burden of proof is on those who maintain that the differences are not genetic. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2602 "2012-06-26T18:01:08Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have already demonstrated that race is a legitimate and meaningful way of classifying human beings that can be easily determined by DNA tests, that the races differ significantly in average intelligence, and crime, and that these differences are durable. In other words, the differences _behave_ as though they are genetic. > > The burden of proof is on those who maintain that the differences are not genetic. Boy, your wrongness continues. I’ve already demonstrated how your “races” are NOT, scientifically speaking, a legitimate and meaningful way of classifying human beings. Your “races” are as legitimate as “four-legged creatures” is for classifying animals. As to your burden of proof- we’re not even making a claim. We’re just pointing out how your claim has no evidence supporting it. You’ve shown nothing but the existence of an achievement gap. Yes, African Americans have lower test scores (in general, though the gap may be shrinking) and high crime rates (this gap also may be shrinking) then other Americans. There are many possible explanations as to why, including yours. Your explanation has zero evidence- and it fails in its predictive ability (because within African Americans, percentage of African [or Negro] ancestry has no correlation with lower test scores or higher crime). You have zero evidence. Your races are not scientific. Your hatred and disdain for black people is clear, and is clearly the source for your opinions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=129) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=131)