# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 137
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2723 "2012-06-27T13:07:15Z")
> [@Jman](#): > > Um, I’m stating an opinion, not lying. Christ, you with the lying accusations. > > And I’m not going to argue with you, as it’s patently obvious it will do no good. If 54 pages of sound reasoned argument aren’t going to get you to honestly look at your opinions, me adding additional stuff isn’t going to help either. To be fair, NDD is far worse than you in the leaps of logic. But both of you are over the top willfully ignorant. Your insults us of our rectitude and your irrationality. We would be convinced of innate racial equality by evidence that blacks behave and perform as well as whites. You have not provided that evidence. You have not provided a credible alibi for black inadequacies that are easy to document. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2724 "2012-06-27T13:09:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You are what your nickname indicates. What a bag full of dough? Like a piping bag? Read and figure out what the words mean, but you’re to dumb to do that, you douchebag! > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > None of those links substantiated Doughbag’s assertion. None discredited mine. You have neither discredited mine - so YOU are still wrong. 99% of homicides committed in Ireland are done by Whites - YOU proof me wrong, otherwise my argument is sound and 100% accurate. You are a \*\*\*inbred-lying-weaselling-fucking-retarded-pigheaded-idiotic-stupid-narrow minded-racist-douchbag-moron!!! * * * ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2725 "2012-06-27T13:11:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Did you enjoy posting with others who shared your hatred of black people? Did it make you feel better to freely post how they are “savages” who spread their “savagery” in every country they go to? I do not remember saying anything about blacks at all. I did not to Stromfront to agree, but to debate. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2726 "2012-06-27T13:12:32Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > You are a \*\*\*inbred-lying-weaselling-fucking-retarded-pigheaded-idiotic-stupid-narrow minded-racist-douchbag-moron!!! > > * * * I could respond in kind. My parents did not raise me that way. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2727 "2012-06-27T13:17:48Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > … My parents did not raise me that way. So, um, your good behavior is nurture not nature then? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2728 "2012-06-27T13:18:11Z")
NDD- when you’re not calling black people “savages”, you’re asserting this: Black people have an innate, genetic tendency towards lower intelligence and higher crime. This is what would show this: finding the genes/alleles that correspond to higher/lower intelligence and aggression/violence. Demonstrating that all “black” populations have these genes/alleles at a higher (or lower, depending on the specific gene/allele) percentage then non-“black” populations, and then verifying this by performing follow up IQ and genetic testing and seeing if the presence (or lack) of these genes/alleles corresponds to higher/lower IQ and crime rates. You have failed to show any of this- not a single step. It doesn’t matter how much economic data, or education data, or crime data, or even IQ testing data there is- none of that says anything at all about genetics, and it never will. You may _feel_ confident that this data will be discovered in the future, but you haven’t shown any reason to feel this way (other than your hatred of black people, of course). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2729 "2012-06-27T13:26:13Z")
[QUOTE=New Deal Democrat] When blacks had the opportunity to compete athletically many of them excelled. When blacks had the opportunity to compete academically most revealed their inadequacies. [/QUOTE] Mmm, because the social circumstances blacks find themselves in affect their athletic and intellectual abilities in exactly the same way, I’m sure… ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2730 "2012-06-27T13:27:44Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I could respond in kind. My parents did not raise me that way. I guess not, they just had sex with you, while you’re having sex with your sister and brother. Properly your sister/brother is your kid. Jez, man you’re just a sick, for confirming, that you are having incest. My prove of your incest is here: > [@Doughbag](#): > > You are an \*\*\*inbred-lying-weaselling-fucking-retarded-pigheaded-idiotic-stupid-narrow minded-racist-douchbag-moron!!! > > * * * You are a liar! ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2731 "2012-06-27T13:31:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And considering how strongly crime rates correlate to economic data, I think one can’t draw any decent conclusion using crime data for poor countries (and if we did try and draw a conclusion, we must conclude that Central Americans are the most innately violent people on earth). According to The CIA World Factbook, in China the per capita gross domestic product is $8,400; in South Africa it is $11,000. [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=China&countryCode=ch®ionCode=eas&rank=120#ch](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=China&countryCode=ch®ionCode=eas&rank=120#ch) In China the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 1.12. In South Africa it is 32. [List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#cite_note-sacrime-21) * * * Those who believe that economic deprivation causes crime must account for James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein’s portrait of an urban community that has suffered severe poverty but little crime. During the 1960s, San Francisco’s Chinatown had the city’s lowest income, highest unemployment rate and highest proportion of families with incomes under $4,000 a year. Yet in 1965, the authors note, there were only five people of Chinese ancestry committed to prison in the entire state of California. [http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi\_m1571/is\_n32\_v10/ai\_15716060/](http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n32_v10/ai_15716060/) * * * Poverty is no excuse for crime. It is not even an explanation. Everywhere in the world Orientals and Azhkenazi Jews are known for intelligence, industriousness, and obedience to the law, even when they are poor. Other racial groups are not. If the superiority of Orientals and the Ashkenazim cannot be explained biologically, as I believe it can be, it can be explained by something the discussion of which makes many liberals uncomfortable: personal morality. It is immoral to disrupt class rooms and make it difficult for teachers to teach, and for students who want to learn to learn. It is immoral to commit crimes. It is immoral to have illegitimate children and support them on welfare. People who do these things are bad people. Orientals and Jews very seldom behave that way. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2732 "2012-06-27T13:32:05Z")
NDD- here’s another reason why I and many others are skeptical: until the last few hundred years, throughout history, every single civilization we have written records for stated that their own “race” was superior, and their enemies’ “races” were inferior. They had varying levels of justification, like insults (like the [Garamantes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garamantes) of the Sahara hunting their “cavedwelling” neighbors), anecdotes, and pseudoscience (like the early 20th century’s eugenics and racial heirarchies). This tendency among civilizations is so consistent historically that one is almost inclined to think that there is a **genetic tendency** towards believing outsiders to be inferior (but of course we’d need genetic data to support that!). It’s always been crap. It’s not at all surprising to still see people spout this garbage- and not suprising to see that they (you) have no evidence for it (as in history they never did). Throughout history it was _always_ for political reasons (on a large scale) and emotional reasons (on an individual scale). Your hatred and disdain of black people comes from your personal experiences, and that’s it. There’s no data that supports it. It’s just that you’ve had bad experiences with black people, and you’ve responded by hating them and justifying that hatred by believing that they are innately inferior. On an individual level, prejudice has _always_ been about this, and it probably always will be. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2733 "2012-06-27T13:36:12Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Poverty is no excuse for crime. It is not even an explanation. Everywhere in the world Orientals and Azhkenazi Jews are known for intelligence, industriousness, and obedience to the law, even when they are poor. Other racial groups are not. 100 years ago, in most places in the world, Jews were near-universally hated, defamed, and libeled. I see no reason why the collective wisdom about “other racial groups” is more reliable now. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2734 "2012-06-27T13:38:09Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > According to The CIA World Factbook, in China the per capita gross domestic product is $8,400; in South Africa it is $11,000. > > [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=China&countryCode=ch®ionCode=eas&rank=120#ch](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=China&countryCode=ch®ionCode=eas&rank=120#ch) > > In China the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 1.12. In South Africa it is 32. [List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#cite_note-sacrime-21) > > * * * > > Those who believe that economic deprivation causes crime must account for James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein’s portrait of an urban community that has suffered severe poverty but little crime. During the 1960s, San Francisco’s Chinatown had the city’s lowest income, highest unemployment rate and highest proportion of families with incomes under $4,000 a year. Yet in 1965, the authors note, there were only five people of Chinese ancestry committed to prison in the entire state of California. > [http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi\_m1571/is\_n32\_v10/ai\_15716060/](http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n32_v10/ai_15716060/) > > * * * > > Poverty is no excuse for crime. It is not even an explanation. Everywhere in the world Orientals and Azhkenazi Jews are known for intelligence, industriousness, and obedience to the law, even when they are poor. Other racial groups are not. > > If the superiority of Orientals and the Ashkenazim cannot be explained biologically, as I believe it can be, it can be explained by something the discussion of which makes many liberals uncomfortable: personal morality. > > It is immoral to disrupt class rooms and make it difficult for teachers to teach, and for students who want to learn to learn. It is immoral to commit crimes. It is immoral to have illegitimate children and support them on welfare. People who do these things are bad people. Orientals and Jews very seldom behave that way. In other words- you have zero genetic data, and evidence for an achievement gap, and that’s it. Basically, you’re presenting no new information and repeating your explanation, insisting that it’s true because it’s true. No- it’s true in your mind because you hate black people. If you didn’t hate black people you might actually realize that there’s no evidence for any genetic tendencies among any races or populations for high or low intelligence or crime rates. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2735 "2012-06-27T13:38:57Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > I guess not, they just had sex with you, while you’re having sex with your sister and brother. > Properly your sister/brother is your kid. > > Jez, man you’re just a sick, for confirming, that you are having incest. > My prove of your incest is here: > > You are a liar! You use your insult as evidence that I commit incest. No wonder you have difficulty presenting evidence that blacks are biologically equivalent to whites. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2736 "2012-06-27T13:43:22Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > According to The CIA World Factbook, in China the per capita gross domestic product is $8,400; in South Africa it is $11,000. > > [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=China&countryCode=ch®ionCode=eas&rank=120#ch](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=China&countryCode=ch®ionCode=eas&rank=120#ch) > > In China the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 1.12. In South Africa it is 32. [List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#cite_note-sacrime-21) > > * * * > > Those who believe that economic deprivation causes crime must account for James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein’s portrait of an urban community that has suffered severe poverty but little crime. During the 1960s, San Francisco’s Chinatown had the city’s lowest income, highest unemployment rate and highest proportion of families with incomes under $4,000 a year. Yet in 1965, the authors note, there were only five people of Chinese ancestry committed to prison in the entire state of California. > [http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi\_m1571/is\_n32\_v10/ai\_15716060/](http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n32_v10/ai_15716060/) > > * * * > > Poverty is no excuse for crime. It is not even an explanation. Everywhere in the world Orientals and Azhkenazi Jews are known for intelligence, industriousness, and obedience to the law, even when they are poor. Other racial groups are not. > > If the superiority of Orientals and the Ashkenazim cannot be explained biologically, as I believe it can be, it can be explained by something the discussion of which makes many liberals uncomfortable: personal morality. > > It is immoral to disrupt class rooms and make it difficult for teachers to teach, and for students who want to learn to learn. It is immoral to commit crimes. It is immoral to have illegitimate children and support them on welfare. People who do these things are bad people. Orientals and Jews very seldom behave that way. Your cites are not correct, proof for your claim is needed. You liar! Stop making things up. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2737 "2012-06-27T13:45:58Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You use your insult as evidence that I commit incest. No wonder you have difficulty presenting evidence that blacks are biologically equivalent to whites. :smack: It’s based on facts. After all, **you** just admitted that **you commit insect**. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I commit incest. You are **SICK!!!** ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2738 "2012-06-27T13:48:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > In other words- you have zero genetic data, and evidence for an achievement gap, and that’s it. Basically, you’re presenting no new information and repeating your explanation, insisting that it’s true because it’s true. No- it’s true in your mind because you hate black people. If you didn’t hate black people you might actually realize that there’s no evidence for any genetic tendencies among any races or populations for high or low intelligence or crime rates. I have already explained the burden of proof fallacy. If anyone missed it here is a link to the explanation: [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html) Because of the geographical and historical persistence of racial differences in crime and intelligence the burden of proof is on those who maintain that these characteristics are not genetic. I am confident that genes for intelligence and crime will be discovered, and that when they are those of your persuasion will still deny them. Nevertheless, as time goes on fewer people will pay attention to you, and sanctions against those who are of my persuasion will be lifted. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2739 "2012-06-27T13:50:07Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have already explained the burden of proof fallacy. If anyone missed it here is a link to the explanation: > > [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html) > > Because of the geographical and historical persistence of racial differences in crime and intelligence the burden of proof is on those who maintain that these characteristics are not genetic. > > I am confident that genes for intelligence and crime will be discovered, and that when they are those of your persuasion will still deny them. Nevertheless, as time goes on fewer people will pay attention to you, and sanctions against those who are of my persuasion will be lifted. Why would anyone listen to you? After you just admitted to incest! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2740 "2012-06-27T13:52:44Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have already explained the burden of proof fallacy. If anyone missed it here is a link to the explanation: > > [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html) > > Because of the geographical and historical persistence of racial differences in crime and intelligence the burden of proof is on those who maintain that these characteristics are not genetic. > > I am confident that genes for intelligence and crime will be discovered, and that when they are those of your persuasion will still deny them. Nevertheless, as time goes on fewer people will pay attention to you, and sanctions against those who are of my persuasion will be lifted. You don’t understand the burden of proof fallacy. I’m not making a claim. You are. You’ve presented no evidence for your claim. That’s it. You can’t just _assume_ that the explanation is genetic without any genetic evidence- that’s ridiculous! As to your last paragraph- those are obviously just your opinions, and I think that they’re ridiculous and unsupported by reality. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2741 "2012-06-27T13:53:45Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Because of the geographical and historical persistence of racial differences in crime and intelligence the burden of proof is on those who maintain that these characteristics are not genetic. Says you and only you. There’s no logical reason why we should assume these characteristics are genetic without any evidence. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2742 "2012-06-27T14:01:58Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > It’s based on facts. After all, **you** just admitted that **you commit insect**. > > You are **SICK!!!** You are misquoting me. The fact that you are descending to such a level should be embarrassing to decent people who disagree with me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=136) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=138)